Pear Advice - help with depth ratio

[Amethyste]

Hello Gang...

The year has finally arrived --> I have been saving and saving for a long long time for the diamond of my dreams and I have reached a plateau budget of roughly $35,000.
I would like to get a pear shaped diamond and I have been extensively searching online to gather information on what I would prefer in a pear shape especially when it comes to the ratio part. I found out that I prefer the pear to be a little more on the elongated side, so a ratio of 1.65 to 1.77 is fine with me. the only thing that is left for me to grasp is the depth part of the equation... How can you know if a pear diamond is too shallow or too deep by looking/judging the measurements?

I would like to post some diamond specs that i found online and perhaps one of you kind community member could enlighten me on my questions? Any comments are welcomed!

Pear Diamond
Carat Weight: 6.03
Color: K
Clarity: SI2
Depth%: 67.2
Table %: 57.0
Symmetry:VG
Cert: EGL USA
Polish: VG
Girdle: M-TK
Culet: N
Fluorescence: N
Measurements: 15.97x9.62x6.46

OR

Pear Diamond
Carat Weight: 5.12
Color: K
Clarity: SI1
Depth%: 52.0
Table %: 68.0
Symmetry: VG
Cert: EGL USA View
Polish: Good
Girdle: -
Culet: N
Fluorescence: F
Measurements: 17.08x9.60x4.99

These diamonds are priced between $23,000 and $25,000 ( nice to have extra for a nice setting... ). The only thing that is more of a concern to me is the EGL cert. One is SI2 and the other one is SI1. I am just afraid that with a SI2, it might be more like an I1...
As for the color, i like ''em warm... I am actually looking for a L-M-N-O-P color one, but I cannot find ANYONE who carries them online...

Any suggestion and opinion...

Thank you much!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 6/12/2009 12:20:55 AM
Author:Amethyste
Hello Gang...

The year has finally arrived --> I have been saving and saving for a long long time for the diamond of my dreams and I have reached a plateau budget of roughly $35,000.
I would like to get a pear shaped diamond and I have been extensively searching online to gather information on what I would prefer in a pear shape especially when it comes to the ratio part. I found out that I prefer the pear to be a little more on the elongated side, so a ratio of 1.65 to 1.77 is fine with me. the only thing that is left for me to grasp is the depth part of the equation... How can you know if a pear diamond is too shallow or too deep by looking/judging the measurements?

I would like to post some diamond specs that i found online and perhaps one of you kind community member could enlighten me on my questions? Any comments are welcomed!

Pear Diamond
Carat Weight: 6.03
Color: K
Clarity: SI2
Depth%: 67.2
Table %: 57.0
Symmetry:VG
Cert: EGL USA
Polish: VG
Girdle: M-TK
Culet: N
Fluorescence: N
Measurements: 15.97x9.62x6.46

OR

Pear Diamond
Carat Weight: 5.12
Color: K
Clarity: SI1
Depth%: 52.0
Table %: 68.0
Symmetry: VG
Cert: EGL USA View
Polish: Good
Girdle: -
Culet: N
Fluorescence: F
Measurements: 17.08x9.60x4.99

These diamonds are priced between $23,000 and $25,000 ( nice to have extra for a nice setting... ). The only thing that is more of a concern to me is the EGL cert. One is SI2 and the other one is SI1. I am just afraid that with a SI2, it might be more like an I1...
As for the color, i like 'em warm... I am actually looking for a L-M-N-O-P color one, but I cannot find ANYONE who carries them online...

Any suggestion and opinion...

Thank you much!

You can use this chart as a guide, but really go by images such as photos, ASET and your own personal taste to help you choose.

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/fnc3.asp

The second diamond appears to have a shallow depth and much larger table if the figures are correct, I would be cautious with that one as to the overall cut, usually it is preferable to have the depth greater than the table size.

I would definitely want at least photos of these diamonds, also an independant appraisal and make the sale final on the diamonds checking out to your satisfaction would be prudent.

These are big rocks and in a pear shape are going to show some warmth, you are sure you are ok with that?

Whatever you do if these are virtual stones, ask one of the trusted vendors to call them or one in so they can advise you and do the evaluation needed with the images etc.

Appraisal tool - https://www.pricescope.com/appr_list.aspx

ASET and its use - http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=education-performance

 

[Amethyste]

Hello Lorelei

Thank you for the advice and suggestions...
yeah, I had a feeling that the depth on the 5.12CT was too shallow. The measurements on the 6.03Ct are fine in my opinion, but its the SI2 grading that worries me lol. I would have to see the diamond to determine if its good for me or not. i dont want to go nuts with a loupe and try to find all the flaws in the diamond, since i''ll be looking at it with my unaided eyes for the rest of my life, i want to make sure that the overall look is pleasing.

Oh yes! I dont want a white diamond, i loooooooooooove warm colors, as I think I''ll have a yellow gold halo made for it

I might order the 6.03CT and see what its all about... The e-store has a great return policy

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 6/12/2009 7:42:46 AM
Author: Amethyste
Hello Lorelei

Thank you for the advice and suggestions...
yeah, I had a feeling that the depth on the 5.12CT was too shallow. The measurements on the 6.03Ct are fine in my opinion, but its the SI2 grading that worries me lol. I would have to see the diamond to determine if its good for me or not. i dont want to go nuts with a loupe and try to find all the flaws in the diamond, since i'll be looking at it with my unaided eyes for the rest of my life, i want to make sure that the overall look is pleasing.

Oh yes! I dont want a white diamond, i loooooooooooove warm colors, as I think I'll have a yellow gold halo made for it

I might order the 6.03CT and see what its all about... The e-store has a great return policy

Most welcome! With the eyecleanliness part, a monster pear of that size might not be eyeclean so do check very carefully in as many different lightings as you can, but see if a trusted vendor can call in the diamond and inspect it in the first instance to see if it is worth a look see for you.

Yellow gold halo????

That would give some SERIOUS finger coverage!

 

[oldminer]

This is a large rock and there are many more choices when you hunt for them than for 1 carat diamonds. The deeper diamond "might" look great, but I am certain that the thinner one will have quite a bit less light return that some others of similar weight which have somewhat more depth. There is going to be a lot of light leakage due to the shallow nature of the diamond. However, to compensate for this shallow depth, the diamond will look far larger that the deeper diamonds. The shallow diamond might look really nice TO YOU and we can't say avoid it. What we can say is that you ought to compare several large diamonds BEFORE you choose so that you make a decision that you never regret.

You have a budget and that restricts what you can find. Look at as many diamonds as you can find that fit your price range in order to find what is possible to buy for the money and the size you want. By being a diligent shopper you will end up with the best set of compromises possible and be happy with your purchase. Since you are willing to take SI2 and a warmer color what I suggest is not to worry over the lab report at all. Get a diamond which you find "near eye-clean" to you and no darker than what you'd be willing to buy. Whatever the grade is will be important to the asking price and value, so once you find the diamond pay someone for independent advice. DO NOT USE THE APPRAISER in the pocket of the seller. Don't be walked into the appraiser by the seller,,,,wink, wink!. If you end up with a diamond you love, one that others will find amazing on you, and one that firts your budget, then who cares about the letter grade of color or the numbers and letters of clarity. So long as the VALUE is right, the look is right and the price is right.............

You ought to have a lot more fun shopping in this way. You should visit a diamond idstrict such as NYC 47th St to really find the selection of diamonds you are seeking. They still use some really deceptive tricks such as tinting the diamonds with liquid which masks the yellow temporarily and some really blue spotlights, however since you don't mind a bit of color, the end result may be just fine. You need and expert, but that's a minor issue at you level of budget.

I had a lady here last week who owns a 5 3/4ct fancy shape diamond, E color and IF clarity. It was 54% depth and when clean it is a real sparkler because of its large size appearance. Unfortunately, she wanted to sell it, but her price is almost 10 times your budget, so I guess that one is not the right one. You will find yours! Have fun.

 

[Amethyste]

Yes, that has the potential to be serious finger coverage... I am starting to wonder actually, if its going to be way too big for me to get a diamond in te 5+Ct range... i dont have much ring finger "real estate" per se - from the base to my knuckle, its only about 15mm. but I always wanted a pear the would go over my knuckle... its so dumb lol.

i''ll ask vendors to see if they would agree to spend time and help me to ''call'' in the diamond for me and see if they could order it to view it...

thank you again for your kind replies, Lorelei ( hey... it rhymmes! )

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 6/12/2009 9:10:38 AM
Author: Amethyste
Yes, that has the potential to be serious finger coverage... I am starting to wonder actually, if its going to be way too big for me to get a diamond in te 5+Ct range... i dont have much ring finger ''real estate'' per se - from the base to my knuckle, its only about 15mm. but I always wanted a pear the would go over my knuckle... its so dumb lol.

i''ll ask vendors to see if they would agree to spend time and help me to ''call'' in the diamond for me and see if they could order it to view it...

thank you again for your kind replies, Lorelei ( hey... it rhymmes! )

Most welcome! Yes it is going to be a big rock but my personal feeling is that fancy shapes such as pear, marquise, EC and so forth are far more elegant in heavy weights than rounds! If I remember rightly, Jada Pinkett has a pear in the 9 carat range and she is tiny, it looks great on her, substantial but still elegant. I think that is a good plan to find a vendor you like who can call suitable diamonds in.

 

[Amethyste]

Hello David -

Thank you so much for your kind reply...
I find that looking for a diamond in the 35,000 budget range is a lot more challenging than I anticipated!!!
Yes, I am willing to take a SI2 and a warmer color, but I still want an SI2 that doesnt look like an I1. I am worried mostly
by looking through an online seller and only to rely on the EGL report they are providing, for me to purchase and then inspect...
It just seems like a huge hassle to buy and then return... its a large sum to be passing back and forth until the right one is found.

I am in NH - and love to go to NYC for long weekends, perhaps, i need to take a trip there and see what they have out in the
diamond district...

sigh... It''s so much money for me... i am afraid I wont be able to find what I am looking for...

 

[Lorelei]

You WILL find your diamond Amethyste, sometimes it can take a bit of time but enjoy the hunt!

 

[canuk-gal]

HI:

Oh, happy project! In the case of your specific needs, I just might use a vendor to do the searching for me. Give them your specs and let them help you. Since you could get to NYC, you have some great options--many of those vendors have had reviews here.

cheers--Sharon