- Apr 17, 2006
I have been waiting for something like this for a long time and am wondering if anyone has seen one in real life.
I haven’t seen any of his stones in real life but I did correspond with him about a stone in his shop. I found him to be very pushy and he said he could hold the stone with a deposit. When I asked him if the deposit was refundable (pending review of an outdoor video) he said it was not. I didn’t proceed once finding that out. Just FYI, I know folks have bought from him and been happy but that experience put me right off.
Oh that's a shame. I do have a problem with the need for a non-refundable deposit just to check out the video! I had a positive experience with Vijay and found him perhaps more tenacious than pushy in that he'll follow up on enquiries quite enthusiastically, but I never felt the pressure to proceed.
My issue is that I'm not sure how his stones perform, and not enough people have bought his larger stones for me to pull the trigger on a bigger purchase. I'm more inclined to go with Rhino for a lab OEC than Ouros until I can see what the latter produces. So far I am not seeing what I want to see from his OECs. The rose cut is lovely though but I'm not sure what cut/angle numbers one should want from a rose cut, and indeed what performance is expected from them.
Hi! I’m curious what you’re looking for in the lab OECs from Ouros that you aren’t seeing from him but you are Rhino? I’ve compared pricing and Ouros is about 1/3 of the price of Rhino (I’m looking at a large stone, almost 4 carats). Rhino’s price for a lab stone was actually more (double) than I paid for my antique earth mined OEC that is 3.5 carats. (he is amazing to work with though!!!)
So a lab grown version would not need much technical skill compared to the hyper-awesome light returning cuts or the fancy facet pattern antique cuts. A lab grown rose cut would look great at low color and just needs minimum clarity to avoid dark inclusions in the center of the stone.
I can only go by the one or two OEC's that Vijay has on Etsy (so admittedly not a big enough a pool to judge from), but of the one he has currently on Etsy (https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/937...earch_query=oec&ref=shop_items_search_3&frs=1), his OEC does not have a tall crown at all at 13.5% In fact, it seems almost too shallow. It's also got a pretty big table for an OEC at 62.5% If you compare that to Rhino's OECs (this one for example for size to size comparison - https://www.distinctivegem.com/coll...uropean-cut-private-reserve-lab-grown-diamond), he's truer to the antique cut numbers with a tiny 46% table and 22.5% crown. This gives the classic flowery appearance that just isn't present for me in the Ouros stone. I also love how the culet reflects in Rhino's OECs (can't remember the technical name for this) but it adds to that overall look I like in antique stones.
Of course a taller crown is going to mean a less wide stone (Ouros' 1.5ct stone is wider), so Vijay may be more mindful of retaining weight in the diameter and not overall height. Still, it's not a classic OEC for me.
Having said that, I'd love to see your Moissy and if Vijay is able to cut a more classic OEC, I wouldn't rule him out. I am just not seeing anything remotely like Rhino's which I lurve.
Yes! I totally get you. It's much the same as old mine cuts - chunky facets to catch some light. I therefore agree that you probably can't go wrong with a rose cut from Ouros. I think they do great stones, and sorry to have digressed from your original topic with talk of OECs. That's another kettle of fish!
I was about to say that @MMtwo got a lovely rose cut and I'm glad she posted here. Exactly as she said, it's a like a lovely droplet of water. I'm not sure how best to show them off? Pendant? Earring? I figure they're best with light coming in from both sides equally?
I’m not sure that’s quite right. Moissanite is doubly refractive compared to diamond so has more fire for the equivalent cut. You’re also looking at a cut that performs quite differently when you have a high dome rose cut vs a shallow rose cut.So a lab grown version would not need much technical skill compared to the hyper-awesome light returning cuts or the fancy facet pattern antique cuts. A lab grown rose cut would look great at low color and just needs minimum clarity to avoid dark inclusions in the center of the stone.
I don’t know Rhino that well but get the impression he enjoys the challenge of designing and having cut a diamond with excellent light return, so maybe rose cuts don’t interest him? They’d sell like hot cakes though. Rose cut sapphires and moissonites don’t have the same tell-tale fire.
I’m not sure that’s quite right. Moissanite is doubly refractive compared to diamond so has more fire for the equivalent cut. You’re also looking at a cut that performs quite differently when you have a high dome rose cut vs a shallow rose cut.
Totally get what you’re saying — I meant sapphire/topaz/quartz etc. have little if any fire and moissanite has double refraction, so all in all the clear gemstones don’t quite reproduce the fire of a diamond exactly.
I like moissanite’ s double refraction in photos but don’t have much experience with them in real life. I have never considered one in a common diamond cut because I thought it would be too bling for me personally. But maybe given how few facets rosecuts have moissanite might be worth trying in a rose cut. I do have a doubly refractive sphene and that thing is awesome.