Opinions please on this 1.46 RB EVS2

[lewis25]

Seems like we''ve been searching forever for the right stone! Could this be it?? I ran it through the Holloway Cut adviser and it scored a 1.3 -- the only detraction being "spread." What do you guys think? Thanks.

 

[Lorelei]

Hi Lewis,

This could be your stone, the numbers look great! With the VG for spread on the HCA, only shallower stones normally get Ex in this area, so no worries as this is not considered a detraction. Have you seen the diamond in person?

 

[wishinpink]

Make sure you do look up stones of similar characteristics in the pricescope search so you can make sure you are getting a fair price too!

 

[Ellen]

I agree, it looks great, and what a fantastic size! I''d say go for it!

 

[beach]

That diamond is in the sweet spot... if the price is right jump on it quick. And it is laser inscribed which is a bonus. High crown% with small table too!

 

[Kelli]

Looks great! I''d go for it!

 

[Ellen]

Date: 12/21/2008 4:48:44 PM
Author: beach
That diamond is in the sweet spot... if the price is right jump on it quick. And it is laser inscribed which is a bonus. High crown% with small table too!

I think most would say 53-54 is a table on the smaller side, and a high crown is 35+. This stone has a table and crown right in the ideal spot.

 

[beach]

Date: 12/21/2008 5:25:50 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 12/21/2008 4:48:44 PM
Author: beach
That diamond is in the sweet spot... if the price is right jump on it quick. And it is laser inscribed which is a bonus. High crown% with small table too!

I think most would say 53-54 is a table on the smaller side, and a high crown is 35+. This stone has a table and crown right in the ideal spot.

What are you talking about??

I said it was in a sweet spot... 55 is perfect for a table and high crown percentage as in 15.5 is perfect. Not the crown angle %!!! I never said angle .... When I say small table it is in the lower part of ideal.... I was talking in terms of Ideal. The specs are perfect! It was a compliment...sheesh

Those are the kind of specs I look for!

 

[lewis25]

Thanks everyone! I have not seen it in person -- but sounds like I will soon! Price looks to be competitive for the size and specs.

 

[beach]

Put it on hold if you have not already because that stone will move fast... It was just certed too. GREAT FIND

 

[Ellen]

Date: 12/21/2008 5:29:13 PM
Author: beach

Date: 12/21/2008 5:25:50 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 12/21/2008 4:48:44 PM
Author: beach
That diamond is in the sweet spot... if the price is right jump on it quick. And it is laser inscribed which is a bonus. High crown% with small table too!

I think most would say 53-54 is a table on the smaller side, and a high crown is 35+. This stone has a table and crown right in the ideal spot.

What are you talking about??

I said it was in a sweet spot... 55 is perfect for a table and high crown percentage as in 15.5 is perfect. Not the crown angle %!!! I never said angle .... When I say small table it is in the lower part of ideal.... I was talking in terms of Ideal. The specs are perfect! It was a compliment...sheesh

Those are the kind of specs I look for!

Wow, no need to get so upset!

I just didn''t want someone else reading this to think 55 was a "small" table, because it''s not really. And the crown isn''t that "high" either (doesn''t matter whether it''s % or angle, though angle is the more precise measurement), plus it''s rounded, so it may not even be what it says, may be lower.

I''m sorry you got offended, that wasn''t my intent! We just have to be careful about what we post, for others. Saying a stone has a high *whatever* plus a small table makes it sound like an FIC, which it isn''t. That''s all I meant.

 

[beach]

Date: 12/21/2008 5:57:33 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 12/21/2008 5:29:13 PM
Author: beach

Date: 12/21/2008 5:25:50 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 12/21/2008 4:48:44 PM
Author: beach
That diamond is in the sweet spot... if the price is right jump on it quick. And it is laser inscribed which is a bonus. High crown% with small table too!

I think most would say 53-54 is a table on the smaller side, and a high crown is 35+. This stone has a table and crown right in the ideal spot.

What are you talking about??

I said it was in a sweet spot... 55 is perfect for a table and high crown percentage as in 15.5 is perfect. Not the crown angle %!!! I never said angle .... When I say small table it is in the lower part of ideal.... I was talking in terms of Ideal. The specs are perfect! It was a compliment...sheesh

Those are the kind of specs I look for!

Wow, no need to get so upset!

I just didn't want someone else reading this to think 55 was a 'small' table, because it's not really. And the crown isn't that 'high' either (doesn't matter whether it's % or angle, though angle is the more precise measurement), plus it's rounded, so it may not even be what it says, may be lower.

I'm sorry you got offended, that wasn't my intent! We just have to be careful about what we post, for others. Saying a stone has a high *whatever* plus a small table makes it sound like an FIC, which it isn't. That's all I meant.

15.5 crown is hard to find from my experience. I often see 15 or 14.5. Even if it is rounded, this diamond is still above 15 and below 16. Alot of Whiteflash ACA's try and get in this range too and I like how the light breaks off these crowns. The light seems to break alot more and put more fire out.... Even if the crown angle and pavillion angle are dead on, a crown around 15.5 is icing on the cake IMO. Falls right in the center regardless of if it is rounded. Same with the 34.5 crown angle, it falls right in the middle and allows for rounding errors... 40.8 pavillion angle is great for that type of crown angle regardless of rounding. This diamonds specs allow for rounding errors and this is hard to find... If you don't go with an ACA this diamond will be a very high performer. That is why a diamond with these specs always get sold very quickly.

I hope I cleared things up for everyone reading this thread if I was indeed confusing.

 

[lewis25]

Thanks -- I did put on hold! Here''s one thing I''m wondering about... a diamond salesman once told me it was nearly impossible to find stones measuring just under the next carat size because "the cutter would be fired" if they cut that way. So I was surprised to find this just under 1.5. Is that really so unusual?

 

[beach]

They try and shoot for 1.5 because people pay higher when it hits that mark (its a psychological thing). A buyer trying to get the best bang for the buck, tries to find these diamonds (which is VERY hard with these specs) just under the 1ct or 1.5 or 2 ct marks because a nice cost savings occur and to the human eye, no difference can be seen. I almost reserved a diamond like this one day and waited an hour and it was gone. I ended up going with a Whtieflash ACA in the end, but the diamond I lost was going to be awesome too and for a lower price You did really really well. 7.26 to 7.29 (little variance) diameter suggests that the cut is probably going to be very good too. That stone must have been just listed

 

[Ellen]

Date: 12/21/2008 6:06:18 PM
Author: beach
15.5 crown is hard to find from my experience. I often see 15 or 14.5. Even if it is rounded it is still above 15 and below 16. Alot of Whiteflash ACA''s try and get in this range too and I like how the light breaks off these crowns. The lights seems to break alot more and put more fire out.... Even if the crown angle and pavillion angle are dead on, a crown around 15.5 is icing on the cake IMO. Fall right in the center regardless of if it is rounded. Same with the 34.5, it falls right in the middle and allows for rounding errors... 40.8 is great for that type of crown angle. This diamonds specs allow for rounding errors and this is hard to find...

I hope I cleared things up for everyone

That I agree with! It''s a stone with Ideal specs, as in a Tolkowsky/TIC, not an FIC, which some might have gleaned from your previous statement. And that''s what I was trying to point out.

 

[lewis25]

Thanks! I am really getting excited about it! We have been looking for months...

 

[Ellen]

Date: 12/21/2008 6:14:01 PM
Author: lewis25
Thanks -- I did put on hold! Here''s one thing I''m wondering about... a diamond salesman once told me it was nearly impossible to find stones measuring just under the next carat size because ''the cutter would be fired'' if they cut that way. So I was surprised to find this just under 1.5. Is that really so unusual?

They are rather rare in a well cut stone, but they''re out there. Congrats!

 

[beach]

Date: 12/21/2008 6:22:20 PM
Author: lewis25
Thanks! I am really getting excited about it! We have been looking for months...

That is the best way to do it. Now you will have no regrets!!!

 

[canuk-gal]

Date: 12/21/2008 6:14:01 PM
Author: lewis25
Thanks -- I did put on hold! Here''s one thing I''m wondering about... a diamond salesman once told me it was nearly impossible to find stones measuring just under the next carat size because ''the cutter would be fired'' if they cut that way. So I was surprised to find this just under 1.5. Is that really so unusual?

HI:

Specs are desirable so no need to be "suspicious".

cheers--Sharon

 

[coatimundi_org]

Can''t wait to see shots of this stone in action--and lucky duck to scoot in at just under 1.5!

 

[Dancing Fire]

nice #''s

 

[lewis25]

It has been purchased! Will keep you posted... Thanks everyone for the help. This forum is so great!

 

[Ellen]

Yay! We''d love to see the finished product.

 

[beach]

Date: 12/22/2008 9:21:56 PM
Author: lewis25
It has been purchased! Will keep you posted... Thanks everyone for the help. This forum is so great!

AWESOME!! Post pics when you can

 

[honey22]

Date: 12/21/2008 6:14:01 PM
Author: lewis25
Thanks -- I did put on hold! Here''s one thing I''m wondering about... a diamond salesman once told me it was nearly impossible to find stones measuring just under the next carat size because ''the cutter would be fired'' if they cut that way. So I was surprised to find this just under 1.5. Is that really so unusual?

Don''t believe everything a diamond salesman tell you

It''s hard to find them just under certain ct sizes, as most diamonds are cut to get to magic numbers and therefore can attract the price premium of these magic numbers. A 1.47ct for example will avoid the price jump of a 1.5ct stone, so the cutter will sacrifice cut quality in order to get size. Most people (in this I mean, not PSers) will like the sound of a 1.5ct stone more, so they will buy that.

An educate consumer would purchase a well cut 1.47ct stone over the 1.5ct stone anyday. If you go into a maul store, you will find lots of stones that are cut to preserve weight (and therefore maximise profit for the vendor). They don''t care about cut.

It''s funny though - if this salesman worked for a PS vendor, they would probably get fired for making comments like this

 

[EricaR]

I can''t wait to see photos of it! Looks like you got an amazing stone.

 

[Lorelei]

YAY!!!

 

[Paul-Antwerp]

Date: 12/21/2008 6:14:01 PM
Author: lewis25
Thanks -- I did put on hold! Here''s one thing I''m wondering about... a diamond salesman once told me it was nearly impossible to find stones measuring just under the next carat size because ''the cutter would be fired'' if they cut that way. So I was surprised to find this just under 1.5. Is that really so unusual?

Hi Lewis,

While the story about the cutter being fired is somewhat exaggerated, it is a story that the trade (myself included) often use to make the point clear.

For most cutting-houses, it is inconceivable to allow the production of such a stone just under a magic weight, because it represents a huge loss in value. As such, very few of these stones are available, since they will be cut in such a way that they remain over that specific weight.

But with cut-quality becoming more and more important, the story about firing the cutter becomes more like history. Cutting-houses aiming for quality will allow a stone to be cut just under a magic weight, if there is no other option. Still, supply will be scarce, and with demand being high for these goods, availability will be very low.

Live long,