Opinions on this 2.5 stone please!!!

[Passion4diamonds]

Here's a contender that popped up within my criteria:
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/12165/

Opinions, thoughts, feedback is greatly appreciated!!!
Thanks!

 

[Roqsteady]

Looks great! The crown and pavillion angles aren't your traditional tolkowsky cut but they complement each other well and will likely skew to more brilliance than fire, but that could be a good thing depending on your preferences. Someone else with more experience could chime in on that.

Here's a more traditional ideal cut too in case you're looking for more options. FWIW, it's their "superior" line and is the same color, clarity, and size (even slightly larger) for less!

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/12087/

 

[Passion4diamonds]

Looks great! The crown and pavillion angles aren't your traditional tolkowsky cut but they complement each other well and will likely skew to more brilliance than fire, but that could be a good thing depending on your preferences. Someone else with more experience could chime in on that.

Here's a more traditional ideal cut too in case you're looking for more options. FWIW, it's their "superior" line and is the same color, clarity, and size (even slightly larger) for less!

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/12087/

Thanks for your feedback! The stone you just listed was the one i just returned to them. It has an eye visible inclusion that I could detect and it was bothering me more than I was enjoying it.

 

[yssie]

... The listing states it has a report from AGSL but I see only Helium and GIA Facetware - where is the AGSL report?


Here's what GOG says about the "Manufactures Lifetime Policy"
http://www.goodoldgold.com/ManufacturesLifetimePolicy/

If the trade-in policy is important to you this portion should give you pause - it restricts choice of manufacturer from which the stone you trade up for may be obtained:
At any time you can trade in the diamond you purchased from Good Old Gold and get exactly what you paid for a diamond from the same manufacture we originally sourced this diamond from equal or greater value than your past purchase.


I see no flags wrt. the stone itself. But you aren't just buying a stone in a vacuum, you're buying the vendor and the vendor's guarantees as well, so you'll need to ensure that GOG's policies on this stone suit your needs.

 

[Passion4diamonds]

... The listing states it has a report from AGSL but I see only Helium and GIA Facetware - where is the AGSL report?


Here's what GOG says about the "Manufactures Lifetime Policy"
http://www.goodoldgold.com/ManufacturesLifetimePolicy/

If the trade-in policy is important to you this portion should give you pause - it restricts choice of manufacturer from which the stone you trade up for may be obtained:
At any time you can trade in the diamond you purchased from Good Old Gold and get exactly what you paid for a diamond from the same manufacture we originally sourced this diamond from equal or greater value than your past purchase.


I see no flags wrt. the stone itself. But you aren't just buying a stone in a vacuum, you're buying the vendor and the vendor's guarantees as well, so you'll need to ensure that GOG's policies on this stone suit your needs.

Hi Yssie,
I don't plan on upgrading so I'm not worried about that policy, but if I ever do I'm okay with this policy as the last stone I purchased (and then returned) had no return policy except to send back within 10 days. I did ask for original cert but GOG doesn't give them out on stones that aren't in house/owned goods. They only give them out once the stone is purchased. They do this so people won't try to find the same stone cheaper somewhere else once it hits the pool again.
Everything on the stone looks good to you though?

 

[yssie]

... The listing states it has a report from AGSL but I see only Helium and GIA Facetware - where is the AGSL report?


Here's what GOG says about the "Manufactures Lifetime Policy"
http://www.goodoldgold.com/ManufacturesLifetimePolicy/

If the trade-in policy is important to you this portion should give you pause - it restricts choice of manufacturer from which the stone you trade up for may be obtained:
At any time you can trade in the diamond you purchased from Good Old Gold and get exactly what you paid for a diamond from the same manufacture we originally sourced this diamond from equal or greater value than your past purchase.


I see no flags wrt. the stone itself. But you aren't just buying a stone in a vacuum, you're buying the vendor and the vendor's guarantees as well, so you'll need to ensure that GOG's policies on this stone suit your needs.

Hi Yssie,
I don't plan on upgrading so I'm not worried about that policy, but if I ever do I'm okay with this policy as the last stone I purchased (and then returned) had no return policy except to send back within 10 days. I did ask for original cert but GOG doesn't give them out on stones that aren't in house/owned goods. They only give them out once the stone is purchased. They do this so people won't try to find the same stone cheaper somewhere else once it hits the pool again.
Everything on the stone looks good to you though?

This is most definitely not good enough for me.

AGSL will issue a veritable miscellany of reports for MRBs, some of which are considered in some circles to be more prestigious than the GIA Diamond Grading Report/eReport (and which may carry a slight price premium), some of which aren't. Which one does this stone have? The Platinum DQD w/ Light Performance?
I want to see the inclusion diagram on the report.
I want to see the date of issue.
I want to confirm the colour/clarity/fluor strength wasn't copied incorrectly into the listing.
I want to know if there are any comments of interest on the report.
I want to see the proportions per the report (which may or may not match GOG's scanner outputs - the machines may be calibrated slightly differently).

If they're nervous about the stone being purchased elsewhere they can white-out the report number. To withhold the report sans report number and yet assert that we have all the information contained therein anyway, so why do we need the report - that makes little sense. If one has all the information on the report in the listing presumably one could as easily search for the stone elsewhere with or without the report itself; the report number is the only identifying and simplifying characteristic. If one does not have all the information on the report in the listing one is unable to make a fully educated decision.

There's absolutely no way I'm going to advocate for spending 30k+ on a stone without seeing the specified independent authority's printed opinion, regardless of who the vendor is. I'm very disappointed to learn of this new policy - I haven't heard of it before, so I assume it is new?

Yes, the stone looks lovely so far, but I'm not comfortable giving any opinion on whether or not it's a good purchase for you without seeing the report, I'm sorry.

 

[Passion4diamonds]

... The listing states it has a report from AGSL but I see only Helium and GIA Facetware - where is the AGSL report?


Here's what GOG says about the "Manufactures Lifetime Policy"
http://www.goodoldgold.com/ManufacturesLifetimePolicy/

If the trade-in policy is important to you this portion should give you pause - it restricts choice of manufacturer from which the stone you trade up for may be obtained:
At any time you can trade in the diamond you purchased from Good Old Gold and get exactly what you paid for a diamond from the same manufacture we originally sourced this diamond from equal or greater value than your past purchase.


I see no flags wrt. the stone itself. But you aren't just buying a stone in a vacuum, you're buying the vendor and the vendor's guarantees as well, so you'll need to ensure that GOG's policies on this stone suit your needs.

Hi Yssie,
I don't plan on upgrading so I'm not worried about that policy, but if I ever do I'm okay with this policy as the last stone I purchased (and then returned) had no return policy except to send back within 10 days. I did ask for original cert but GOG doesn't give them out on stones that aren't in house/owned goods. They only give them out once the stone is purchased. They do this so people won't try to find the same stone cheaper somewhere else once it hits the pool again.
Everything on the stone looks good to you though?

This is most definitely not good enough for me.

AGSL will issue a veritable miscellany of reports for MRBs, some of which are considered in some circles to be more prestigious than the GIA Diamond Grading Report/eReport (and which may carry a slight price premium), some of which aren't. Which one does this stone have? The Platinum DQD w/ Light Performance?
I want to see the inclusion diagram on the report.
I want to see the date of issue.
I want to confirm the colour/clarity/fluor strength wasn't copied incorrectly into the listing.
I want to know if there are any comments of interest on the report.
I want to see the proportions per the report (which may or may not match GOG's scanner outputs - the machines may be calibrated slightly differently).

If they're nervous about the stone being purchased elsewhere they can scan each component individually, or white-out the report number. There's absolutely no way I'm going to advocate for spending 30k+ on a stone without seeing the asserted independent authority's printed opinion, regardless of who the vendor is. I'm very disappointed to learn of this new policy - I haven't heard of it before, so I assume it is new?

Yes, the stone looks lovely so far, but I'm not comfortable giving any opinion on whether or not it's a good purchase for you without seeing the report, I'm sorry.

Here's a topic about it from Rockytalky that reassured me:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/why-doesnt-gog-give-out-certs-on-stones.200932/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/why-doesnt-gog-give-out-certs-on-stones.200932/[/URL]
Jon from GOG chimed in too.

 

[yssie]

Passion4diamonds - I edited my post to clarify but was obviously too late!

If you are sufficiently comforted that is what is important, since this is your decision. I hope you're able to talk to your rep at GOG re. my questions prior to purchase, though.

*I wrote earlier that I'd seen that thread but I had not - I'd seen an older one on a similar topic that was not specific to GOG policy. Apologies.

 

[Passion4diamonds]

Passion4diamonds - I edited my post to clarify but was obviously too late!

If you are sufficiently comforted that is what is important, since this is your decision. I hope you're able to talk to your rep at GOG re. my questions prior to purchase, though.

*I wrote earlier that I'd seen that thread but I had not - I'd seen an older one on a similar topic that was not specific to GOG policy. Apologies.

Yes I talked to him via many emails and by phone and also received an inclusion plot and additional photos.

 

[yssie]

Passion4diamonds - I edited my post to clarify but was obviously too late!

If you are sufficiently comforted that is what is important, since this is your decision. I hope you're able to talk to your rep at GOG re. my questions prior to purchase, though.

*I wrote earlier that I'd seen that thread but I had not - I'd seen an older one on a similar topic that was not specific to GOG policy. Apologies.

Yes I talked to him via many emails and by phone and also received an inclusion plot and additional photos.

What about everything else?
Which report, report date, comments, proportions...?
What additional information have you been given in this email exchange? And post the inclusion plot and additional photos.
You are soliciting our education opinions. The more information you give us, the more educated our opinions will be.

 

[Passion4diamonds]

My main concern was an eye clean stone to my standards. The plot is attached. They said "the supplier said this was a super si1. I can vouch for twinning wisps in the past. They look like a disaster on paper but they are so light most of the time it doesn't show in real life." Eye clean twinning wisps confirmed by multiple employees in all lighting. Said it would be nearly impossible to find a cleaner SI without moving up to a VS.

 

[Dreamer_D]

I agree with the points raised by yessie and hope you seek answers to her questions at least for your own knowledge and evaluation, if you have not already.

There will be a return policy of course?

Have you ever upgraded in the past? "I don't want to upgrade" are famous last words on PS.

Have you done comparison shopping to see if this price is good? I don't mean the price of this specific stone, I mean comps. I want you to ensure this is a good buy given that you will not be getting all the usual bells and whistles available from GOG.

 

[Passion4diamonds]

I agree with the points raised by yessie and hope you seek answers to her questions at least for your own knowledge and evaluation, if you have not already.

There will be a return policy of course?

Have you ever upgraded in the past? "I don't want to upgrade" are famous last words on PS.

Have you done comparison shopping to see if this price is good? I don't mean the price of this specific stone, I mean comps. I want you to ensure this is a good buy given that you will not be getting all the usual bells and whistles available from GOG.

Here's the report: AGS 104054933001 (2.55 carats)
There is a return policy but only from the same vendor who supplied this diamond. They would buy back the diamond from GOG. I'm fine with this. I did look up comps and it's on par with what else is out there.

 

[yssie]

Okay, now I'm more confused. Did they give you the report number after all, in violation of their stated policy? Given the concerns stated in that other thread, why not just copy the report and blank out the number? Or did you find it elsewhere - and if so, are you confident that it's the correct one? (2.550ct)

I won't paste the link here as there seems to be some contention regarding intent and what is and is not permissible, but the stone looks fine, no flags, and price seems fine too (Dreamer's point about comps at other vendors specifically with similar policies to what you will be receiving for this stone is a good one). I assume GOG has already verified that it is still in exactly the condition represented on the report - which is indeed the prestigious DQD.

Re. the email exchange you mentioned earlier - what did your rep say about the stone?

If eyeclean to your requirements is your primary concern I think you'll have to have the stone shipped out loose to inspect in-person. You are obviously particular about clarity - nothing wrong with that! - but it does mean that you're more likely to notice things others might miss, so your eyes are the best ones to judge this stone!

 

[Passion4diamonds]

I ended up buying the stone this evening that's how I was given the AGS report #. We discussed the inclusions thoroughly, he sent me magnified photos of this stone next to the one I returned and another comparable one but with light leakage. He knows I have an eagle eye so I really need to see the stone to evaluate if it will work for my standards or not. The hearts and arrows factor was not important to me. Of course cut was and I got a good one I believe. I will know soon!

 

[yssie]

Okay, so our opinions were obviously irrelevant - given that you withheld information, photos, etc. that would've helped us form said opinions. Nothing wrong with having complete confidence in your vendor's suggestions - in fact, that's a very good thing - but there's no point in not sharing those confidences with us, given that you're soliciting our opinions. To not do so just wastes our time.

I hope you love the stone!! GOG is a fantastic business - I had the pleasure of playing with Octavias for a couple of hours with David last year; I'm confident whether or not the stone suits your needs the customer service will be impeccable

 

[Passion4diamonds]

Re: Opinions on this 2.5 stone please!!!v

Okay, so our opinions were obviously irrelevant - given that you withheld information, photos, etc. that would've helped us form said opinions. Nothing wrong with having complete confidence in your vendor's suggestions - in fact, that's a very good thing - but there's no point in not sharing those confidences with us, given that you're soliciting our opinions. To not do so just wastes our time.

I hope you love the stone!! GOG is a fantastic business - I had the pleasure of playing with Octavias for a couple of hours with David last year; I'm confident whether or not the stone suits your needs the customer service will be impeccable

Hi Yssie,
I seriously did not think you wanted to help me so thoroughly! Ive never had anyone on here be as thorough as you. That's why I was only providing the GOG listing info originally.
I do however trust GOG will find me what I am looking for and tell it to me straight. After all I clearly have an eagle eye for inclusions so they didn't want to mess up this second stone for me. This process has been so long for me (over a year) that I didn't want to wait on this stone that they found me so I had them send right away. Ill keep you posted if its the one!
Thanks again!