Opinions on J VS1 for e-ring

[phinsup]

After much lurking, I am getting ready to take the plunge. This is the one I am leaning towards. I have it on hold and am getting ready to pull the trigger. What I am most concerned about with this pick is the color. I could go smaller to get a higher color -- say a 1.2 I or H. But 1.51 seems like a nice size and from everything I''ve read, it should face-up pretty white. What do you think? Would you rather have a 1.51 J or a 1.2 H, assuming cut/clarity to be relatively equal?

All input is most welcome! Thanks in advance!

My candidate: 1.51 J VS1 A Cut Above

Table 55.7
Depth 60.5
Crown Angle 34.8
Pavilion Angle 40.8

7.46 x 7.47 x 4.52

Here''s the Idealscope:

 

[neatfreak]

If it were me I would go up on color and down on clarity...but if you must have a high clarity then this one certainly looks like a nice stone.

 

[phinsup]

And here''s the ASET image:

 

[Lorelei]

It looks beautiful!!!

I would take a well cut 1.5 J over a smaller H everytime, but it depends on what you prefer. A top cut J like that should face up still white, you might notice a teeny tiny tint of warmth from the side in some lighting, but we have many happy J owners here who don't mind this in the slightest - if you are unsure then ask your rep at WF to clarify how the colour grade presents itself.

 

[phinsup]

Date: 12/15/2008 4:25:32 PM
Author: neatfreak
If it were me I would go up on color and down on clarity...but if you must have a high clarity then this one certainly looks like a nice stone.

The next ACA stone available in my budget with higher color and lower clarity is a 1.2 I VS2 -- a significant size difference from a 1.51 to go one color up. For an extra $1k -- budget is already being stretched, so I can''t really go that high anyway -- I could get a 1.58 G SI2, but the idealscope image is weaker, I don''t like all the inclusions that show up on the idealscope image and it only sizes up about one hundredth of a millimeter larger. I am constrained by what is available from the reatailers I trust. Cut is king, so I am really only looking at A Cut Above, Infinity and the like. Am, of course, open to suggestions, though...that''s why I''m here.

 

[neatfreak]

What is your budget?

 

[phinsup]

The 1.51 J VS1 ACA stone on hold is $11k (before PS discount). The 1.2 I VS2 ACA is $8k and the 1.58 G SI2 ACA is $11.75k.

 

[stone-cold11]

1.53 I SI1 for 11.3k (EDT: Price is after PSer discount)

If you are interested, although I have no problem with J color.

 

[phinsup]

I guess I should add that there is a 1.41 I VS2 Infinity for about $10.7k, also -- about .25mm smaller than the 1.51 J VS1.

 

[neatfreak]

Have you seen a J in person in a well cut stone in that size? If so, and the color didn''t bother you, the one you''ve chosen is a great stone. But you might see some warmth on the side, which for some people isn''t ok, so it''s just something to be aware of.

 

[phinsup]

I did see a J in person and, from the side, yes, I could see some color when held against a white sheet of paper. I couldn''t really tell a difference between an I and a J, though -- and if I''m considering I''s anyway, it doesn''t seem to be a leap to consider a J. But this is a slippery slope and makes my head hurt.

The diamond will be set in a 6-prong platinum setting. Next to an F or a G, do you think -- face-up in the setting -- the J color would be noticeable?

The more subjective question is whether J is too mind dirty. Is it mind dirty enough to warrant getting a smaller diamond to avoid? What if that smaller diamond is an I? Oy.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 12/15/2008 5:38:40 PM
Author: phinsup
I did see a J in person and, from the side, yes, I could see some color when held against a white sheet of paper. I couldn''t really tell a difference between an I and a J, though -- and if I''m considering I''s anyway, it doesn''t seem to be a leap to consider a J. But this is a slippery slope and makes my head hurt.


The diamond will be set in a 6-prong platinum setting. Next to an F or a G, do you think -- face-up in the setting -- the J color would be noticeable?


The more subjective question is whether J is too mind dirty. Is it mind dirty enough to warrant getting a smaller diamond to avoid? What if that smaller diamond is an I? Oy.

Next to an F or a G, yes you could see the difference IMO. Next to an I...not so much.

As for the mind clean issue...it''s really a personal decision unfortunately...

 

[phinsup]

Thanks for all the feedback so far! I''m curious whether others share neatfreak''s assessment that even face-up in a setting, color would be detectable. When I saw a J in person, as I mentioned previously, I could detect color from the side. I''m not sure that I could tell from the face. But I''m no expert either.

Otherwise, how does this one look by the Idealscope, ASET, and numbers?

 

[peppermintpatty]

I am by no means an expert, just a diamond lover. I just received last week a J VS2 2.17 AGS0 diamond. Is it icy white like a D, no. However, it faces up white and from the side I don''t see color, at best I would say warmth. But to be honest, what I see the most is all of the sparkles. I understand your reservations, I had a G before my J''s and now there is no way I would turn down a well cut J. If you have the sparkle, I personally find it quite difficult to see color. I see a beautiful diamond.
I also have a petite crown lace wedding band and recently got an eternity band, both of these are from Michael B. They typically use F color diamonds in their pave, my J looks just fine with my bands.

Hope this helps, good luck with your decision and Congrat.''s on your upcoming engagement!!!

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 12/15/2008 6:21:31 PM
Author: phinsup
Thanks for all the feedback so far! I''m curious whether others share neatfreak''s assessment that even face-up in a setting, color would be detectable. When I saw a J in person, as I mentioned previously, I could detect color from the side. I''m not sure that I could tell from the face. But I''m no expert either.


Otherwise, how does this one look by the Idealscope, ASET, and numbers?

Just to clarify, I said NEXT TO an F or a G. I don''t think that most people could identify it as a lower color by itself...

 

[phinsup]

Thanks for the clarification, neatfreak -- didn''t mean to misrepresent what you said.

Thanks peppermint patty -- that is very good to hear.

 

[gryffindor]

I will (hopefully soon) have an H colored stone. During my search, I focused almost exclusively on D-E-F stones, but once I saw this H perform from the top compared to the other colors, I was sold on it. I too noticed that from the side I see some color, but I don't have another stone to compare it with and I'm sure I'll be ok with it given it's other properties are great.

If cut and clarity were equal, I would prefer the larger stone even with the slightly lower color.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 12/15/2008 6:57:14 PM
Author: phinsup
Thanks for the clarification, neatfreak -- didn''t mean to misrepresent what you said.


Thanks peppermint patty -- that is very good to hear.

No worries, just wanted to make sure I was clear with what I meant.

 

[phinsup]

To my (untrained) eye, the IS image looks pretty good -- any points of caution?

I am less adept at interpreting ASET images -- how does this one rank?

Thanks again everyone! PS may not take the stress out of the purchase, but it does offer a level of comfort.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 12/15/2008 7:07:43 PM
Author: phinsup
To my (untrained) eye, the IS image looks pretty good -- any points of caution?


I am less adept at interpreting ASET images -- how does this one rank?


Thanks again everyone! PS may not take the stress out of the purchase, but it does offer a level of comfort.

Both the IS and the ASET are totally fine, no worries there.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/15/2008 7:09:54 PM
Author: neatfreak

Date: 12/15/2008 7:07:43 PM
Author: phinsup
To my (untrained) eye, the IS image looks pretty good -- any points of caution?


I am less adept at interpreting ASET images -- how does this one rank?


Thanks again everyone! PS may not take the stress out of the purchase, but it does offer a level of comfort.

Both the IS and the ASET are totally fine, no worries there.

Ditto and a J colour is still properly white face up, there are various shades of white, D or E are icy white, H perhaps a softer white, and I and J more of a soft summer white - but still white if that makes sense (probably not....slinks off....)

 

[Deelight]

This one is within your budget ($10822) it is a lower clarity but a H and you would be hard pressed to see much of a difference in size between a 1.45ct and 1.5ct.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/5207/

 

[mshay]

The problem with J color that it will be look good only for the first month after month or two it will be start look two yellow and that because the ring is getting dirty and it''s make the diamond look lower with the color.
Also the table is to small 55%
Good luck
meir

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/16/2008 4:12:06 AM
Author: mshay



The problem with J color that it will be look good only for the first month after month or two it will be start look two yellow and that because the ring is getting dirty and it's make the diamond look lower with the color.
Also the table is to small 55%



Good luck
meir

Welcome to Pricescope meir,

Actually that is not true that a J colour in particular will only look good when clean, a diamond of any colour grade will not look good when dirty, that is why regular cleaning is recommended. Also we have many happy J colour owners here who have had their diamonds for a long time, and they still look as beautiful as the day they were purchased.

And a 55% table is not too small.

Phinsup your diamond will be gorgeous!

 

[itzasmile]

I''ve been lurking on this site for a long time and just got engaged 2 months ago and felt the need to tell you that the diamond will be GREAT! We got a 1.61 ACA J VS1 from Whiteflash and it completely blows other diamonds I''ve seen out of the water! We put it in custom Cartier-style 1895 band with pave sides and it is absolutely perfect!

It faces up as white as I could imagine and, even if i EVER see the slightest bit of color, it looks more "creamy" rather than "yellow" which, for my personally, is just beautiful!

Here''s the picture from WF - I can post more too if you''d like!

 

[Lorelei]

itzasmile.....


WOW.

That is one gorgeous rock and ring you have there, congrats!!! Go ahead and start a thread in show me the ring so we can all drool if you want to! Welcome to Pricescope!

 

[phinsup]

itzasmile -- thanks for posting those photos and your experience with your engagement ring! That is very helpful and gives me a lot of comfort. I would absolutely love to see more photos! Do you have some that you took?

deelight -- thanks for the link

meir -- why do you believe 55% would be too small? Tolkowsky's famous ideal proportion had a 53% table.

Perhaps someone can correct me, if I'm wrong, but AGS ideal cut proportions have the following ranges:

table: 52.4 - 57.5 (so 55 is pretty much right dead center in that range (54.95 is dead center) -- my potential e-diamond is 55.7 -- comfortably within the range)
crown angle: 33.7 - 35.8 (34.8 is pretty much dead center of the range (34.75 is dead center))
pavilion angle: 40.2 - 41.2 (40.8 is close to 40.7 center of range)

 

[itzasmile]

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/would-like-to-share-pics-of-my-wf-e-ring.102413/

some more pictures for your reference! good luck and post pictures when it''s complete!

 

[phinsup]

Thanks itzasmile! That is a beautiful ring!

 

[poprocks2]

I also think you may be very satisfied with a J colored stone - especially such a nicely cut one. We recently upgraded my er from a .75 H to a 1.525 VS1 J ideal cut diamond (from Whiteflash) and I love it. I get so many complements on how sparkly it is and never do I look down and see a dirty or yellow stone - just lots of sparkle!