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Hi All,

I found and reserved a diamond that I think may be a winner - It is a 1.42 I VS2 with med blue fluoro.
I'm waiting for JA to e-mail me with an idealscope and confirm just how eyeclean it is, but wanted your opinions on clarity at this stage - the stone is significantly cheaper than any other similarly specced stone in VS2 and with the close up I can see crystals - The JA live chat rep told me that it is considered eye clean but I am young and have a very close focal length and have been scrutinizing diamonds at a local jeweler for the last week. They told me that with my eyesight I should stay away from this because they've shown me cleaner stones and this one has lots of black crystals grouped together which would definitely be visible to the eye and they are surprised it is considered a VS2 .

Anyone have any ideas if they can tell based on the magnified picture whether it would be eye clean at a very close (2" maybe?) distance?

Also appreciate any comments or concerns about the other specs.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.42-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-277655

Thanks!
 
Most VS2's are eye clean...but some are not, you need to ask JA, also what your definition of eye clean is for you, your comfort level. Looking at the lab report will not tell you, the inclusion making the grade is a crystal, and located in the table....

Yes in the picture you see inclusions, but remember this picture is 15x or more.
 
CSR|1392512364|3616090 said:
Hi All,

I found and reserved a diamond that I think may be a winner - It is a 1.42 I VS2 with med blue fluoro.
I'm waiting for JA to e-mail me with an idealscope and confirm just how eyeclean it is, but wanted your opinions on clarity at this stage - the stone is significantly cheaper than any other similarly specced stone in VS2 and with the close up I can see crystals - The JA live chat rep told me that it is considered eye clean but I am young and have a very close focal length and have been scrutinizing diamonds at a local jeweler for the last week. They told me that with my eyesight I should stay away from this because they've shown me cleaner stones and this one has lots of black crystals grouped together which would definitely be visible to the eye and they are surprised it is considered a VS2 .

Anyone have any ideas if they can tell based on the magnified picture whether it would be eye clean at a very close (2" maybe?) distance?

Also appreciate any comments or concerns about the other specs.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.42-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-277655

Thanks!
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I am not so sure about that one....Tell him your definition of eye clean. My personal definition is "can it be seen, period, at all, from any difference, in any direction, in any lighting, without a loupe? If so, it's not eye clean."
 
I have no issue with anything I can't see in person. And that one has a very good chance of passing that test.

I would have JA ship it to you, and have you check it out in person. They pay shipping both ways. That way you can see it, and if you like it... have it set.

What are you setting it in?
 
It'll be in a halo setting, only the top will be visible.
I think I will have them ship it out..My other option is a 1.2c H&A H SI2 which is eye-clean. I will post a new thread once I have more information on both for comparison :)
 
CSR|1392516303|3616108 said:
It'll be in a halo setting, only the top will be visible.
I think I will have them ship it out..My other option is a 1.2c H&A H SI2 which is eye-clean. I will post a new thread once I have more information on both for comparison :)
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Actually keep it in this thread if you can, so we can compare it.
 
You only need one thread. We'll keep checking in with you.
 
Ok, so this is the other diamond I am looking at.

It's a 1.2 ct H w/ H&A pattern - I have not yet seen this myself but the jeweler has a H&A viewer and I will see it next time I go to the store. He doesn't have an idealscope so I can't get that to compare to the other stone but it looks beautiful and very sparkly.

Attached is the report - It's an SI2 but the grade marking inclusion is twinning wisps and I can't see anything with the naked eye.
I'm just wondering, would there be any red flags with these inclusions?

The diamond looks like it has great proportions and scores a 1.5 on the HCA so I should be good there.

I think I will make a decision once I get the idealscope of the other stone.

The 1.42 I posted earlier would be $8800, this 1.2 is $7500 ...
 

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I'm extremely near-sighted and can easily focus at 2" away without correction. That doesn't mean I want to look at diamonds 2" away, at that distance your head is blocking all the light.
 
JulieN|1392744346|3617831 said:
I'm extremely near-sighted and can easily focus at 2" away without correction. That doesn't mean I want to look at diamonds 2" away, at that distance your head is blocking all the light.
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That's very true.

If you're about to have them ship it out, do that.

Personally, I would be somewhat concerned about the inclusions so close to the table. In the video, it looks like they reflect onto another side of the diamond when it faces you. But again, this is an extreme close up video - in person, it's definitely possible that you might see nothing out of sort at all.
 
Have you dismissed the 1.42? Contacted JA as to eye clean?

The 1.2 may be or not be as well cut, but need more info as the 1.42 is a known Ideal cut.
 
The 1.2 is a triple X GIA with a HCA score of 1.5 and the jeweler says it is a H&A so optical symmetry is great (They should be able to show me under the H&A viewer when I go into the store next) .

The 1.42 I haven't dismissed yet, I'm still waiting to hear back from JA which should be today..Fingers crossed.

I'm reading more about Twinning Wisps and I'm a little bit worried about some comments made about Twinning Wisps on SI2's - I read from Garry Holloway that if it truly is eye clean then the twinning wisps must dull the diamond...Is this true or could I just have found a really good SI2 ?
 
OK so James Allen has come back and told me that the 1.42 I am interested in is eye clean and is white and beautiful and is on par with a H&A diamond I picked for comparison purposes.

Attached is the idealscope...What do y'all think? The idealscope seems very red, I expected more light leakage at the girdle..
Give me a reason not to go for it..At $8800 it seems like a good price for this size, no? It has med blue fluro, they said it doesn't have any haziness or cloudiness to it.

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Looks very good!
 
I'd pick the JA stone over the second choice. I'm surprised your jeweler didn't think VS2 was the correct call especially considering the size of the stone. In my opinion, the crystals are on the smaller size of VS2, and the call was likely made based on number of inclusions and reflections. Being inclusion sensitive myself, I personally don't think it would show eye visibly, but everyone's eye is different.

The second stone has a very decent chance of being eye visible. Especially if the feathers are white and have some depth too them.
 
That's a fair call, though I didn't see anything wrong with the SI2 they showed me in the shop. I do actually trust the jeweler i'm working with - even if he isn't a PS vendor he has provided a great price on the setting I want ($2100 VS $3000 from a PS vendor) and seems very honest and upfront with me.

He did say that if the black crystals weren't a problem then it would look like a good stone.

In other news, I had a business trip to NYC today and I had an hour to spare so I went to the Diamond District and oh my...It is completely nuts over there.
I talked to 3 "booths" there and everybody was claiming that their diamonds were the best and that everyone else was either trying to rip me off on price or that they would give me a diamond that doesn't match its certificate - They are absolute SHARKS !
 
CSR|1392853657|3618900 said:
OK so James Allen has come back and told me that the 1.42 I am interested in is eye clean and is white and beautiful and is on par with a H&A diamond I picked for comparison purposes.

Attached is the idealscope...What do y'all think? The idealscope seems very red, I expected more light leakage at the girdle..
Give me a reason not to go for it..At $8800 it seems like a good price for this size, no? It has med blue fluro, they said it doesn't have any haziness or cloudiness to it.
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GORGEOUS. A definite winner.

As for the setting and you local jewel, please read this if the setting is going to be custom: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/custom-jewelry-work-cad-and-cast-psa.175834/#post-3202426#p3202426']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/custom-jewelry-work-cad-and-cast-psa.175834/#post-3202426#p3202426[/URL]
 
Thanks Gypsy for the feedback and valid point on the custom setting. Also I LOVE that pendant you had made, it's beautiful!

Actually, when looking for a local jeweler to compare loose stones, I got the name of this particular jeweler (Quest Jewelers) from a Pricescope thread - not to say it was from an educated source or not as I don't even remember.

What I liked about them is that they have an in house jeweller and had a whole display case with their custom creations which looked top notch. Also they use pt950/ru as standard which is what I was going to request an upgrade to.

It is a simple halo setting which I don't think would be easy to screw up and they do guarantee that if it looks any different to what I want that I am not obligated to purchase. Soooo let's hope for the best...

http://www.heartsonfire.com/shop-jewelry/rings/engagement-rings/belovedengagementring.aspx
 
Very classic halo style, like Princess Diana's ring. Quest should be able to do a nice job.
 
Yup. Quest used to be recommended on the boards. Then they had a few misses in a row and.. not so much anymore.

Get EVERYTHING in writing. How many mm the shank will be, the halo will be. The point size of the melee. The color and clarity of the melee. Whether it is single or full cut. Metal alloy. EVERYTHING.

Also I believe they do CADS. Make sure that if they are doing CADs you post them here and we can help you with them.
 
Actually, that design screams of my mum's jewelry tastes (please...don't take that the wrong way..!) . She loves big pendants - my girlfriend is tiny...she likes little dainty things. Plus I think she will have enough jewelry for a few years after this ... :)
 
CSR|1392864643|3619023 said:
Actually, that design screams of my mum's jewelry tastes (please...don't take that the wrong way..!) . She loves big pendants - my girlfriend is tiny...she likes little dainty things. Plus I think she will have enough jewelry for a few years after this ... :)
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:o :lol: :o
Okay that was hilarious.

Thanks for the laugh.
 
CSR|1392859528|3618972 said:
That's a fair call, though I didn't see anything wrong with the SI2 they showed me in the shop. I do actually trust the jeweler i'm working with - even if he isn't a PS vendor he has provided a great price on the setting I want ($2100 VS $3000 from a PS vendor) and seems very honest and upfront with me.

He did say that if the black crystals weren't a problem then it would look like a good stone.quote]

Just to clarify, I don't think your jeweler was giving you bad advice. He erred on the side of caution which is proves he's an honest jeweler and probably great too work with :)
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Not that I am already thinking of an upgrade, however if I take a gamble on this I color diamond and it turns out she wants to upgrade down the track to a higher color (similar size) - do you guys think it would be possible considering the halo setting?

I'm not sure how tight the tolerances are of the setting to allow for a .01mm shift in any direction in case I get a 1.4 - 1.5 with slightly different depth. I've heard that it's easier with prongs than with bezel set diamonds..
 
Well, it's done!! I went to Quest today who had acquired the diamond I wanted and got it in for me.
It is gorgeous and completely eye clean. We hashed out all the details of the setting and confirmed it today! All very exciting, can't wait to have it finished.

Gypsy - they actually don't use CAD anymore.
They said they roll it from a block of metal and will show me the 'skeleton' for approval.
From the skeleton, it takes about a week to get it finished.

:) can't wait for it to be finished!! I'll make sure I get some pictures for you all and keep you updated...

Thanks so much to pricescope and Gypsy in particular for the help received during my search.
 
Please come back and share pictures! We'd love to see the end product! :wavey:
 
Yeah, please keep us updated on the progress. How exciting!
 
Hi everybody, I just got the ring today and WOW. It is exactly as I pictured it would be and then some . Full credit to Quest for a job well done - I saw it last week "in progress" and can't believe they did so much in 6 days to get it ready.

Unfortunately I can't take any photos as I don't have a decent camera handy, only an iphone and I can't get it to focus in that close, but I am totally satisfied with it..Let's hope she will be too!!
 
She said yes!!!!

I proposed to her on our anniversary, 28th of March, in front of the Jefferson Memorial which is where I took her on our first date.
I had my camera set up on a tripod taking a picture every 2 seconds so I got a lot of nice pictures :) .

Here's a photo of my FIANCEE and her BEAUTIFUL ring. Thank you all so much for your help - she can't stop looking at it.

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