Opinion on Round Diamond

[asuboarder11]

Hello,

First time poster. Looking to get a stone for my GF. Specs of a round brilliant cut below. Hoping to be in the $9-10k range for stone, and $12kish for the total ring. Getting final stone price today. Most likely going with pave 4 prong platinum for setting.

Cut: ex/ex/ex
1.40 carat
Color: H
Clarity: VS2

HCA score 1.4
Table: 56%
Depth: 62.5%
Crown Angle: 35.5
Pavilion Angle: 40.6

Any thoughts are much appreciated!

 

[YoLaL]

welcome!
proportions with in the standard. Can share the certificate and scope analysis for further check on the light performance.

 

[ac117]

Do you have any closeup photos or video? Angles are within the range we recommend...stone is ever so slightly deep so I'd also like to know the dimensions to make sure it's not facing up the face up size.

You could get a super ideal stone for your budget....I will post a few ideas for you:
Here's a beautiful 4 prong platinum setting that tapers to accentuate the center stone: https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...line-solitaire-engagement-ring-729.htm#size=6

Stones:
Same H VS2 specs: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3980392.htm
H SI1 that will be eye clean but save some $: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3955174.htm
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3955173.htm
I color: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3947711.htm
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3961913.htm

 

[asuboarder11]

Thanks YoLaL & ac117. Here is the GIA cert. I don't have any videos or a scope analysis, is that something I should request? My dealer runs a smaller shop so not sure if he would have it, but should he be able to get a scope analysis if I request?

Dimensions: 7.09 - 7.13 * 4.45mm
Girdle: Slightly thick

ac117, I think those are a bit out of my price range. Setting will be about $1.5k-$2k correct? The setting you recommend is nice, but I am thinking I would like pave on the band. I like the ring in your profile too. That is kind of the look I am going for, but is that 6 prong?

Thanks!

 

[YoLaL]

Great recommendation here! And better performing diamonds..

Do you have any closeup photos or video? Angles are within the range we recommend...stone is ever so slightly deep so I'd also like to know the dimensions to make sure it's not facing up the face up size.

You could get a super ideal stone for your budget....I will post a few ideas for you:
Here's a beautiful 4 prong platinum setting that tapers to accentuate the center stone: https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...line-solitaire-engagement-ring-729.htm#size=6

Stones:
Same H VS2 specs: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3980392.htm
H SI1 that will be eye clean but save some $: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3955174.htm
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3955173.htm
I color: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3947711.htm
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3961913.htm

Nice one @ac

 

[YoLaL]

Thanks YoLaL & ac117. Here is the GIA cert. I don't have any videos or a scope analysis, is that something I should request?

Yes its better to have scope images to see.

 

[ac117]

Thanks YoLaL & ac117. Here is the GIA cert. I don't have any videos or a scope analysis, is that something I should request? My dealer runs a smaller shop so not sure if he would have it, but should he be able to get a scope analysis if I request?

Dimensions: 7.09 - 7.13 * 4.45mm
Girdle: Slightly thick

ac117, I think those are a bit out of my price range. Setting will be about $1.5k-$2k correct? The setting you recommend is nice, but I am thinking I would like pave on the band. I like the ring in your profile too. That is kind of the look I am going for, but is that 6 prong?

Thanks!

ASET/Ideal scopes are important to assess light performance in a stone. It's worth asking although if it's a small shop they might not be familiar. You could also purchase one yourself.

Thank you! My ring is similar but I do have a 6 prong head. WF has a pave version that will be $1800 in platinum: https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...-pave-diamond-engagement-ring-1120.htm#size=6

This I VS2 with the same pave setting will put you just around $12,450 out the door (no tax outside of TX): https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3947711.htm

 

[YoLaL]

Hmmm 4.0% girdle thickness, 35.5 CA plus 65.5% depth and 43% Pav. Seems theres a chances of having a leakages on this diamond. Hope you can give us a scope images to confirm.

 

[asuboarder11]

Hmmm 4.0% girdle thickness, 35.5 CA plus 65.5% depth and 43% Pav. Seems theres a chances of having a leakages on this diamond. Hope you can give us a scope images to confirm.

Very interesting, I appreciate all the help from you both. I will see if we can come up with a scope image. Are you concerned even though the HCA report says the below? Reading this I thought light performance would be great, but girdle may be barely thick so maybe ever so slightly sacrificing diameter. Is that an incorrect interpretation of the results? Are we really talking a noticeable difference or am I just getting into the range of being too nit picky and having a nicer piece of paper to go with a beautiful stone, assuming the price for this one is right?


Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Excellent
Spread or diameter for weight Very Good

 

[ac117]

Very interesting, I appreciate all the help from you both. I will see if we can come up with a scope image. Are you concerned even though the HCA report says the below? Reading this I thought light performance would be great, but girdle may be barely thick so maybe ever so slightly sacrificing diameter. Is that an incorrect interpretation of the results? Are we really talking a noticeable difference or am I just getting into the range of being too nit picky and having a nicer piece of paper to go with a beautiful stone, assuming the price for this one is right?


Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Excellent
Spread or diameter for weight Very Good

HCA is helpful to weed out bad stones but it's not a selection tool. Scores under 2 are worth considering but there are angles that could get you a score under 2 that we do not recommend, which is why we like to have as much info possible (report, light return images, photo, video, etc.).

A few options at JA:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4600577
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...i-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4704956
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...color-vs1-clarity-true-hearts-cut-sku-4297763

They have 25% off settings at the moment, too...and lots of them to choose from:
https://www.jamesallen.com/engageme...ite-pave-cathedral-engagement-ring-item-50083
https://www.jamesallen.com/engageme...m-22mm-pave-diamond-engagement-ring-item-2347
https://www.jamesallen.com/engageme...ellis-pave-diamond-engagement-ring-item-50325

 

[YoLaL]

HCA just predict the light performance and not the actual/live performance of your diamond.
So many limitations on this tool. Ex. HCA only measures average angle from 17 facets out of 57 facets.
It does not take into accounts the other 40 facets which is the minor facets measurements ( lower girdles, upper girdles and stars ) and most important that affect the diamond appearance.

 

[KayGee]

Hello,

First time poster. Looking to get a stone for my GF. Specs of a round brilliant cut below. Hoping to be in the $9-10k range for stone, and $12kish for the total ring. Getting final stone price today. Most likely going with pave 4 prong platinum for setting.

Cut: ex/ex/ex
1.40 carat
Color: H
Clarity: VS2

HCA score 1.4
Table: 56%
Depth: 62.5%
Crown Angle: 35.5
Pavilion Angle: 40.6

Any thoughts are much appreciated!

Here is a James Allen true hearts 1.4 ct diamond for $9,510. It has an HCA score of 0.6...

carat weight: 1.41. color: I. clarity: VS1. cut: True Hearts, Ideal. polish: Ideal. symmetry: Ideal.
depth %: 60.10. table %: 57.90. crown ∠: 32.90. pavilion ∠: 41.00.
Fluorescence: Medium Blue. l/w/d (mm): 7.27*7.33*4.39

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...color-vs1-clarity-true-hearts-cut-sku-4403971

 

[asuboarder11]

Welp, I received a picture and video of the stone. I don't think I can discern anything from this picture, but perhaps you all may be able to.

I am thinking of having my jeweler get it shipped to him so I can see it in person. What should I review when it comes in? Should I buy an ideal scope if he does not have one? Should I be able to see the star lines with a 10x loupe?


Appreciate it!

 

[bmfang]

Inclusion plot is very clean for a VS2. Tiny cloud and slightly larger crystal with only additional pinpoints not shown in the comments. The pic of the stone looks decent. Like the others, IS and/or ASET images would be good to verify light performance.

 

[blueMA]

62.5 is slightly deeper than I personally prefer since I tend to see a slight light leakage under the table at that depth, and I try to stay under 62 or ideally under 61.8 when searching for diamonds for better spread. However, you can still find GREAT performing ideal cut diamonds up to 63% in depth with proper angles and symmetry. The diamond in question still falls within the ideal specs, and the fact it has a steeper crown angle and lower pavilion combo means it's more optimized for fire than face-up brightness.

 

[Lorelei]

It should be a lovely stone, falls around fiery ideal cut range!