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[Tazman282]

I don''t know if you remember me but I am the one with the 2 carat pear diamond and I was wondering if I could send it in to 8* and have them reshape into one. If I were to do this how much net weight would I lose about and do you think this would be a good option. I haven''t gotten it appraised yet but it is a G-H vs1-2 It was given to me from my grandmother and I thought that this would be a good way to keep the sentimental value and also have a beautiful round cut diamond. Just a thought. Please post your .02 and also if anyone has any info on 8* please leave that info also. Thanks

 

[Colored Gemstone Nut]

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On 11/1/2003 12:56:59 AM Tazman282 wrote:





I don't know if you remember me but I am the one with the 2 carat pear diamond and I was wondering if I could send it in to 8* and have them reshape into one. If I were to do this how much net weight would I lose about and do you think this would be a good option. I haven't gotten it appraised yet but it is a G-H vs1-2 It was given to me from my grandmother and I thought that this would be a good way to keep the sentimental value and also have a beautiful round cut diamond. Just a thought. Please post your .02 and also if anyone has any info on 8* please leave that info also. Thanks
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When cutting rounds Eightstar will get more weight retention on diamonds which have larger tables...

Upon inspection every diamond has the potential to display the beauty which Eightstar can maximize with it's cutting process.

I had a re-cut done and went from .45 to .385 cts...about 15.5 % reduction in total carat weight and about 85% recovery of the original diamond before the re-cut. Average is around 15-20% on rounds.

Variations are dependent on the original proportions of the stone before the re-cut.

In your case I think there would be a substantial amount of weight loss because of the nature of the shape of your diamond.

Pear cut diamonds and traditional rounds have different proportions all together.

Personally I don't think your recovery after the re-cut would be worth you getting the stone cut to Eightstar proportions. If you are focusing on sentimental value it would probably be in your best interest to keep the stone as is unless your willing to sacrifice a hefty amount of carat weight because of the nature of the shape of your diamond.

With all that said contact Eightstar and you will get more options on what is available and what your recovery would be. Keep in mind the cost of cutting, the loss in weight and the overall value of your diamond after it would be re-cut into Eightstar proportions.

Just some general things to keep in mind....

Keep us updated and I hope this helps...

 

[scotch]

You should contact Richard von Sternberg at their website www.eightstar.com . He will answer your questions.




They do recuts, but v. Sternberg will probably need to see your stone in order to determine if it is suitable. He will then also tell you how much weight will be lost on that particular stone. Depending on the dimensions of your diamond, it will most likely be around 13-17%. Do you have any measurements of the stone?




Depending on their current workload, the whole process can take a while. Again, Richard von Sternberg can tell you more about that. Don't worry about it, you can trust him. Do a couple of searches about Eightstar here on Pricescope and you will find lots of information.




If there is an Eightstar dealer in your area, you can go there first and look at the stones yourself.




Scotch




P.S.: Whoops! I overlooked that your stone is not a round brilliant. Sorry, but above info applies to rounds, for a pear the weight loss will definitely be greater. Write to eightstar anyway, it never hurts to ask.

 

[dimonbob]

Richard or his cutter will be able to tell you once they seen your diamond. We who are not cutters nor have we seen your diamond could only guess.

Send Richard your diamond and see what he says. He will not cut it until you say so.

Please do us a favor, get Richard to take a before and after picture. Also give us a before and after weight, color and clarity. You could get other changes like a higher clarity grade...maybe.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

You should also weigh up the cost to recut (good pun huh?).

It is also likely that 8* will have a bigger loss facxtor than a cutter who is not under pressure to create a cookie from a cookie cutter mould.

For instance if your stone is a typical old mine or old cut then it has a small table and steep crown angle. A creative cutter would keep a 50% table and 36-37 degree crown angle and lower the pavilion angle to under or around 40 degree. That way you will maye loose 5-10% less original weight and get a very firey and scintillating diamond (8* have less scintillation because of the way they increase light return in the upper girdle facets).

8* must cut an 8* - or their reputataion is shot - for failing to cut an 8*.

So get 2 quotes.

I am happy for you to get a Sarin scan and email me at [email protected] with the result. I can then guide a cutter to some extreme weight saving cuts that will be more highly valued in years to come.

Remember that if a diamnd is going to loose a very small % of its weight then there is no point recutting it. And if it MUST loose more, then you have more to gain in improved appearance.

 

[Richard Sherwood]

My guess is that you would have about a 35-40% weight loss recutting a 2 carat pearshape to a round brilliant, ending up with about a 1.25 carat stone or thereabouts.

Eight Star recutting costs are also pretty steep. I was stunned the first time I heard a quote. Like Garry says, you might consider getting two recutting quotes, one from EightStar and one from a non-EightStar cutter who specializes in fine makes.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

OH NO

Sorry - did not read the pear shaped part.
Dont do it!
You will loose a lot of diamond.
What is the current diameter?

 

[Tazman282]

I am actually looking to bring it to you Richard I just haven't had the time to do this for I am in Daytona Beach FL however my family lives in St. Pete which is not far. So hopefully I can work something out soon. Not sure on dimensions. But will get back to you. thanks for all the posts

 

[Richard Sherwood]

Should be a kick, Tazman. I have a lot of experience on recut analysis from my 19 year stint as a diamond buyer. I used to have a lot of old cuts and damaged stones recut from the estates I would buy. I've found the Russian DiamCalc software to be a great help in that area too.

I know Rhino has helped a client or two on this forum recut their diamonds to ideal cut dimensions. You might consider emailing him for a quote, along with possibly some of the other regulars who deal in fine makes, like Whiteflash, SuperbCert and the rest of the mavens.

By the way, if you can't make it to Sarasota in person, you could always mail the diamond in Registered Mail, or using my fedex third party insurance.

 

[valeria101]

Do you know the size of your stone (the basics, length, width and depth)? I've never cut a diamond or had one recut, but I bet it is possible to came up with an optimistic estimate just applying good old geometry (which I might now something about). I suspect that you may not like the conclusion.... and save on the rest of effort involved in getting the last % right. And what I have in mind should take 5min

 

[Tazman282]

I have no idea on the dimensions and I don't even have the diamond in hand it is in St. Pete with my parents. They have been keeping it for me. As soon as I get it over to richard I will be sure to post all that I know and all he finds out about it and maybe we can figure out some options to do with it. I honestly just want something in the 1.25 range that is beautiful. Anything over that is just icing on the cake. My girlfriend is very petite and isn't to sure of a big ring. She thinks a big diamond on her little finger makes it look fake.

I would also like to thank all of you who have written on this post. All information is very helpful. I can't ever get enough. I hope to get the diamond to you soon Richard. Might give you a call in the next couple weeks and set up an appointment.

Thanks again....