OK, so Whiteflash. Opinions

[Franqui62]

Ok, so after reading all the threads feedback I’d got, and not sleeping great, I decided to pop over to Whiteflash again and have another look. And deciding Canadian should not be the highest priority.

What do you think of this one?

Diamond | 0.523 ct E VVS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4386699

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.523 carat E color VVS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4386699

www.whiteflash.com

Unfortunately they appear to be closed, so I’ve left a message to get it put on hold, while we make final decision.

 

[tyty333]

I'm sorry they, diamond vendors, make it so hard to find a Canadian stone.

Anyhow, you wont have anyone argue against this stone. Its a beautiful stone...Super Ideal, AGS000 (Ideal Light return). Has all
the images you need to see that its an excellent performer.

The only thing someone might say is that you don't need to go that high in clarity but I've been watching your threads and I
know you've been looking for higher graded stones. Not an issue as long as its in your budget!

Here is the relative size of this stone on a size 6 finger...

 

[MamaBear]

That is a gorgeous diamond. You just can’t go wrong with an ACA and E color to boot! If you wanted, you could drop to an F and VS clarity for a slight size bump. Not sure how you decided on those specific criteria?

 

[Franqui62]

Thank you both. I just put in D-G and Vs2+ and price range. About 12 stones came up, but I liked this best. Second was. G VS1 I think, but price wasn’t a lot different.

And to give you an idea, here’s my cheap and cheerful approximately .5 temporary on my 4.75 finger.

 

[molecule]

Personally, if I was interested in a Canadian diamond, I'd be looking into Sirius Star. At one time, they claimed to have been designed and cut in Canada along with using only Canadian rough. I am uncertain if this is true anymore or where one can find any diamonds.

 

[MissGotRocks]

The Whiteflash diamond is gorgeous and will be a fireball up close and across the room!

 

[lovedogs]

The Whiteflash diamond is gorgeous and will be a fireball up close and across the room!

This!!!

 

[Jax172]

Thank you both. I just put in D-G and Vs2+ and price range. About 12 stones came up, but I liked this best. Second was. G VS1 I think, but price wasn’t a lot different.

And to give you an idea, here’s my cheap and cheerful approximately .5 temporary on my 4.75 finger.

Do you have dimensions on that stone? I also wear a 4.75 and that doesn’t look like an approximate 0.50 size diamond. That looks much bigger. I’m afraid you will be disappointed in the real diamond of what you are wearing now is not close in dimensions to the diamond. Just trying to save you from diamond size regret. You can get a much bigger stone by looking at G color and VS stones. I have a 1.34 G stone and I’m highly color sensitive but it’s really not tinted at all. The only time you can see any “color” to it is next to a D stone.

 

[tyty333]

@Jax172 I'm thinking its the picture angle that might be making it look that big.

Here is the look on a 4 3/4 finger

0.52ct Round (5.16×5.17×3.19) vs 0.5ct Round (5.16×5.16×3.11)

Compare 0.52 carat Round (5.16×5.17×3.19mm) vs 0.5 carat Round (5.16×5.16×3.11mm) on actual diamond size and finger coverage (20.95mm² vs 20.91mm²)

www.diamdb.com

 

[Lookinagain]

@Jax172 I'm thinking its the picture angle that might be making it look that big.

Here is the look on a 4 3/4 finger

0.52ct Round (5.16×5.17×3.19) vs 0.5ct Round (5.16×5.16×3.11)

Compare 0.52 carat Round (5.16×5.17×3.19mm) vs 0.5 carat Round (5.16×5.16×3.11mm) on actual diamond size and finger coverage (20.95mm² vs 20.91mm²)

www.diamdb.com

When I clicked on the link it defaulted to size 6.5 finger so I changed it to 4.75 and took a screen shot. If you click on it the clarity of the shot will improve. OP maybe post a photo of your temporary ring looking straight down to your finger instead of the angle of the one above.

 

[Franqui62]

Do you have dimensions on that stone? I also wear a 4.75 and that doesn’t look like an approximate 0.50 size diamond. That looks much bigger. I’m afraid you will be disappointed in the real diamond of what you are wearing now is not close in dimensions to the diamond. Just trying to save you from diamond size regret. You can get a much bigger stone by looking at G color and VS stones. I have a 1.34 G stone and I’m highly color sensitive but it’s really not tinted at all. The only time you can see any “color” to it is next to a D stone.

It’s camera angle I think. The ring is seven small paves that look like one stone to a degree, set in white gold. But it’s around 5.2mm wide Max, which was why I was looking at .3 - .5 stones, as the brilliance makes them look bigger.

In the past I wore a family ring, which was a 1ct diamond my grandfather brought back from South Africa. It was a much lower colour and the yellowness didn’t look good against my skin tone. The 1ct looked ridiculously large on my tiny finger, hence wanting to keep smaller and go for better cut and lighter.

 

[MissGotRocks]

When I clicked on the link it defaulted to size 6.5 finger so I changed it to 4.75 and took a screen shot. If you click on it the clarity of the shot will improve. OP maybe post a photo of your temporary ring looking straight down to your finger instead of the angle of the one above.

This is a great visual to let you know exactly what that size diamond would look like on the finger. You have seemed to want a diamond on the smaller side but this should help you to know exactly what you can expect it to look like. Is this the size diamond that you really want?

 

[Franqui62]

Yay, it’s in hold and I’ll be emailed later to discuss
Now for settings...

Legato Sleek Line Pave Diamond Engagement Ring | 1120

Experience the elegance of the Legato Sleek Line Pave Diamond Engagement Ring. Love personified in a jewel. | 1120

www.whiteflash.com

Or

Simon G. MR1498-D Delicate Diamond Engagement Ring | 3422

Elevate your style with the Simon G. MR1498-D Delicate Diamond Engagement Ring. Discover this captivating ring at Whiteflash and let your love sparkle. | 3422

www.whiteflash.com

I think the first is less overpowering on my finger size?

 

[tyty333]

Darn...forgot that it would default to a finger size! I usually move the ring width down also to a more typical 2mm.

@Franqui62 That ring does look quite sparkly!

I know Canadians tend to go for more modest size stones. I saw some beautiful rings when we visited a few years back.
I think you will be happy with a Super Ideal (especially one of this quality).

Saw you've got it on hold...that's great!

I like both the settings you've picked. I'm sure you've seen these pics.

The legato has a .55 stone in it and the Simon G. has a .6 stone. Both very pretty!

 

[Franqui62]

Personally, if I was interested in a Canadian diamond, I'd be looking into Sirius Star. At one time, they claimed to have been designed and cut in Canada along with using only Canadian rough. I am uncertain if this is true anymore or where one can find any diamonds.

I think we were getting too hung up on being a Canadian stone above all else. And when it came to it, those we found weren’t great cut. That company now appears to have been sold to another now.

 

[Franqui62]

Darn...forgot that it would default to a finger size! I usually move the ring width down also to a more typical 2mm.

@Franqui62 That ring does look quite sparkly!

I know Canadians tend to go for more modest size stones. I saw some beautiful rings when we visited a few years back.
I think you will be happy with a Super Ideal (especially one of this quality).

Saw you've got it on hold...that's great!

I like both the settings you've picked. I'm sure you've seen these pics.

The legato has a .55 stone in it and the Simon G. has a .6 stone. Both very pretty!

Thank you. We’re in UK, not actually Canadian, but have family there.
I have tiny hands, so wanted a smaller, better cut stone with a delicate setting.

 

[MissGotRocks]

Personally I would choose the Legato setting for that diamond. I love the way the shank tapers toward the diamond making it the real star! I think the second would overwhelm both the diamond and your hand.

 

[Franqui62]

Personally I would choose the Legato setting for that diamond. I love the way the shank tapers toward the diamond making it the real star! I think the second would overwhelm both the diamond and your hand.

Thank you. Yes, I feel it needs a delicate setting, being on the small side, with my dinky hands.

There’s this, too

Valoria Flora Twist Diamond Engagement Ring | 6142

Discover the captivating beauty of the Valoria Flora Twist Diamond Engagement Ring. Shop now at Whiteflash and adorn your love story with timeless elegance. | 6142

www.whiteflash.com

 

[DejaWiz]

If you are OK with giving an I color a shot (you can always return it and switch back to plan A), how about a much larger 0.734 that is 3 times the minimum noticable size difference?

Diamond | 0.734 ct I VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4383159

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.734 carat I color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4383159

www.whiteflash.com

The superior light performance of a super ideal cut will significantly help to drown out any color, especially once it's affixed in a setting.

You can always ask WF to put both this I next to the E (and maybe even an F, G, and H) side by side and make a comparison video for you.

 

[Franqui62]

If you are OK with giving an I color a shot (you can always return it and switch back to plan A), how about a much larger 0.734 that is 3 times the minimum noticable size difference?

Diamond | 0.734 ct I VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4383159

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.734 carat I color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4383159

www.whiteflash.com

The superior light performance of a super ideal cut will significantly help to drown out any color, especially once it's affixed in a setting.

You can always ask WF to put both this I next to the E (and maybe even an F, G, and H) side by side and make a comparison video for you.

Thank you. This will all be part of my discussion. However, I don’t want to go too large. The brilliance of the cut should give an illusion of bigger size anyway. Also, as my job is so physical (hence broken lens in photo above where I dropped phone on ballast), I don’t want anything too large either.

 

[DejaWiz]

Thank you. This will all be part of my discussion. However, I don’t want to go too large. The brilliance of the cut should give an illusion of bigger size anyway. Also, as my job is so physical (hence broken lens in photo above where I dropped phone on ballast), I don’t want anything too large either.

We're talking less than a millimeter difference in diameter = around 0.6 so that shouldn't be any more of a concern with a 5.7mm diamond vs a 5.1mm diamond.

It's up to you, so go with your gut feeling and get what *you* want...it is your wallet, your choice, and your finger. All we can do it throw out tons of suggestions and make convincing arguments for one thing or another. You hold the power of the purse. That 0.523 E VVS1 you posted is an absolutely great choice!

 

[Franqui62]

We're talking less than a millimeter difference in diameter = around 0.6 so that shouldn't be any more of a concern with a 5.7mm diamond vs a 5.1mm diamond.

It's up to you, so go with your gut feeling and get what *you* want...it is your wallet, your choice, and your finger. All we can do it throw out tons of suggestions and make convincing arguments for one thing or another. You hold the power of the purse. That 0.523 E VVS1 you posted is an absolutely great choice!

Thanks. I really appreciate all the help I’ve had. I’m so glad I found this site!

 

[Lookinagain]

If you are OK with giving an I color a shot (you can always return it and switch back to plan A), how about a much larger 0.734 that is 3 times the minimum noticable size difference?

OP is in the UK so if the diamond is shipped there (or even Canada) she may not want the hassle of a return/exchange. I totally understand that. So trying an I color might be tricky. Personally I would look for a G to gain a bit of size. But I also understand that folks in the UK don't typically go for larger stones like we do in the U.S. She has picked a gorgeous stone and I think the Legato will make for a beautiful ring.

 

[tyty333]

What are your intentions for a wedding band? Do you plan on using one you already own?

I believe a wedding band will sit nicely next to the Legato setting since it pinches in towards the top. I think the Valoria Twist
is going to push the wedding band out some so you may see a gap between your engagement ring and your wedding band.
If this is important to you, check with WF to make sure (sometimes it's hard to tell unless you see the two settings side-by-side).

The other thing to consider is what prongs you would like. You can ask them what the default prongs are for your setting of
choice. You can always ask them if you'd prefer something different.

Sorry, just assumed you lived in Canada since you were looking for a Canadian stone.

 

[kenny]

My mom's ring had 4 tiny diamonds, maybe only 0.01 or 0.02 carat.
My first diamond, at 0.25 ct., seemed like a boulder ... but not for long.
So I also have experienced what we call DSS, Diamond Shrinkage Syndrome.

Many get used to a size that felt just right when new, but after some time seems to lose its impact.
Upgrading a diamond later makes money go poof, so perhaps consider a slightly larger stone for the same budget without going too low in color or clarity, and not compromising light performance at all.

IMO every ACA will have light performance so similar (if there is any detectable difference at all) that I suspect the only people who could could see the difference are pros who work with them daily for many years.

Personally I also prefer high color and clarity so I usually end up with diamonds that are relatively small for the budget.
But in this case, because of DSS and your choice being E VVS1, I'd grab one of several ACAs that are a tad larger.
Light performance comes from the cut, not color or clarity ... unless the clarity is very low or the diamond has issues.
But those would not qualify to become a WF ACA.
I don't think many people would notice the difference in E to G, or VVS1 to VS1.

As long as you know that good light performance isn't the result of high color and clarity, there is noting wrong with just preferring very high color and clarity.

WF has several ACAs I'd consider.
Here's a great candidate.

Diamond | 0.610 ct G VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4356727

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.610 carat G color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4356727

www.whiteflash.com

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I love the diamond you have on reserve if that is the size you desire! There cannot be any regrets with that stone! I love the Legato Sleekline pave setting! It's a classic and very beautiful! I recommend platinum.

Since you seem to be color sensitive, I think it is wise to stick with E-F. If you could add just a little more to the price, I would recommend this one. It won't be too large, but I think you'd be pleased with it for just $300 extra. It has the best diameter for weight and price of the similar stones.

Diamond | 0.626 ct E VVS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4340627

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.626 carat E color VVS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4340627

www.whiteflash.com

 

[kenny]

+1
I really like diamondseeker2006's recommendation, of course if you could up your budget a bit.
I would certainly try.

Oh, and I'd try immediately.
Diamonds that veteran PS members agree on recommending highly often sell very fast.

 

[Franqui62]

I love the diamond you have on reserve if that is the size you desire! There cannot be any regrets with that stone! I love the Legato Sleekline pave setting! It's a classic and very beautiful! I recommend platinum.

Since you seem to be color sensitive, I think it is wise to stick with E-F. If you could add just a little more to the price, I would recommend this one. It won't be too large, but I think you'd be pleased with it for just $300 extra. It has the best diameter for weight and price of the similar stones.

Diamond | 0.626 ct E VVS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4340627

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.626 carat E color VVS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4340627

www.whiteflash.com

Thanks. I have added it to the wish list and will discuss with the consultant tomorrow. It does look lovely.

 

[kenny]

Thanks. I have added it to the wish list and will discuss with the consultant tomorrow. It does look lovely.

Diamonds that PS members highly recommend often sell very fast ... to lurkers.
That's why I'd buy it online now so nobody else can grab it before you do.
You can always cancel the purchase tomorrow morning before they ship it.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

You don't actually have to buy it to reserve it online. I have reserved stones on WF before and you don't put in payment information since many people pay by wire anyway. I just put a note that says I am reserving it and will speak with a representative tomorrow.