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Oh No! We may be even fatter than our BMI indicates

kenny

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This is depressing; I need some chocolate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17585734

The obesity problem in the US may be much worse than previously thought, according to researchers.
They said using the Body Mass Index or BMI to determine obesity was underestimating the issue.

Their study, published in the journal Plos One, said up to 39% of people who were not currently classified as obese actually were.
The authors said "we may be much further behind than we thought" in tackling obesity.

BMI is a simple calculation which combines a person's height and weight to give a score which can be used to diagnose obesity. Somebody with a BMI of 30 or more is classed as obese.
The US Centers for Disease Control says at least one in three Americans are obese.

Many more?
Other ways of diagnosing obesity include looking at how much of the body is made up of fat. A fat percentage of 25% or more for men or 30% or more for women is the threshold for obesity.

One of the researchers Dr Eric Braverman said: "The Body Mass Index is an insensitive measure of obesity, prone to under-diagnosis, while direct fat measurements are superior because they show distribution of body fat."
The team at the New York University School of Medicine and the Weill Cornell Medical College, New York, looked at records from 1,393 people who had both their BMI and body fat scores measured.

Their data showed that most of the time the two measures came to the same conclusion. However, they said 539 people in the study - or 39% - were not labelled obese according to BMI, but their fat percentage suggested they were.
They said the disparity was greatest in women and became worse when looking at older groups of women.
"Greater loss of muscle mass in women with age exacerbates the misclassification of BMI," they said.

They propose changing the thresholds for obesity: "A more appropriate cut-point for obesity with BMI is 24 for females and 28 for males."

A BMI of 24 is currently classed as a "normal" weight.
"By our cut-offs, 64.1% or about 99.8 million American women are obese," they said.

It is not the first time BMI has been questioned. A study by the University of Leicester said BMIs needed to be adjusted according to ethnicity.
Last year in the BBC's Scrubbing Up column, nutrition expert Dr Margaret Ashwell advocated using waist-to-height ratio to determine obesity.

She said: "It is a real worry that using BMI alone for screening could miss people who are at risk from central obesity and might also be alarming those whose risk is not as great as it appears
 
BMI has always just been a simple, inexpensive estimate of body fatness. It's a lot cheaper than doing body fat tests or other tests of muscle/fat ratios. It's a way for statistics gatherers to get estimates of how fat or thin people are by only taking the weight and height into account. Waist/hip ratio is another indicator that statisticians sometimes use to predict likelihood for disease.

Perhaps it's more inaccurate than anyone thought.

I know my weight/BMI haven't changed much over the years, but my body composition has gone from athletic to more "sedentary" (squishy).
 
I know that BMI's are not extremely accurate, but wow, I have a hard time with this one! The weight and height that I am currently yields a BMI of exactly 24.0, which by this article would classify me as "obese", yet here is a recent picture of me. Am I now considered obese!? What's that supposed to do for my self esteem!?!?

obese.jpg
 
BMI needs to take a long walk off a short pier.
 
sonnyjane|1333422684|3162212 said:
I know that BMI's are not extremely accurate, but wow, I have a hard time with this one! The weight and height that I am currently yields a BMI of exactly 24.0, which by this article would classify me as "obese", yet here is a recent picture of me. Am I now considered obese!? What's that supposed to do for my self esteem!?!?

obese.jpg

Wow, Sonnyjane! :o You have a stunning figure!
 
I'm a size 8 with a BMI of 24.5. I guess I'm obese now too. BUT! If I lose a whopping 4 pounds, my BMI drops to 23.9! So I'm only 4 pounds "obese". Phew, that's a relief. Except I'd still be a size 8. Hmmmm...:rolleyes:

Edited to add: BMI is stupid.
 
I actually agree with the many many studies that show that bmi is a very insensitive measure of body fat. One of my friends is I'll say 30 pounds heavier than me, but bikes and plays softball and has way more endurance than I. I probably have more body fat than she does!

sonnyjane remember this is for older ladies. You are obviously in fantastic shape, the article was not about people like you. It's us old ladies who shouldn't be patting ourselves on the back just because we retain the same weight, but also need to keep exercising and doing weight bearing exercises so our muscles don't convert to fat.
 
I'm another one that hates BMI. I run, work out, and am strong. But I never ever get skinny. For my body type, if I hit a BMI of 24 you can see my ribs from halfway across the room. My doctor took one look at me at that weight and told me to go eat a cheeseburger. According to my doctor, the perfect weight for my body structure happens to be around a BMI of 27.
 
The whole height/weight thing is ridiculous. At 5 ft I'm supposed to weigh a 100lbs. At 40, if I weight 100 lbs I look really sick(and have been told so), 5-10 more pounds makes me look my best. My sister is 1 inch taller than me but has boobs and is "larger boned". By larger boned I mean her ring size and shoe size is larger. My ring size is 4.25 and hers is 6. There is no way she should weight 105lbs(which is a smudge less than I weight right now). She'd look like a stick with fake boobs.

If I do the BMI calculator I'm not my ideal weight but am at 8/9 percentile of people in my age group and height. I can also honestly say that I've seen way too many women die and waste away because they were slightly underweight when they got sick when they were older. A little extra weight might have helped them have strength to fight off their treatments. My grandmother, mother in law and sister in laws mother all got down to below 70 lbs before they passed away from illness. A good reason to be a little heavier than those charts suggest!
 
This old chestnut again. BMI needs to be let go. And everyone needs to exercise more.

I do agree that fat levels are a much better answer. Now someone find me a way to accurately measure fat % levels.
 
I work out 3-4x a week and have for 4 years. My trainer just checked my BMI with the pinch test and she says I have a BMI of 36. I'm 5'11" and weigh 160. I can't believe that would equate to me being on step below morbidly obese.
 
Sonnyjane - I *wish* I was as obese as you appear to be! You are BEAUTIFUL!

Athenaworth - that's insane that your height/weight would make you approach morbidly obese! (and I envy your height - I'm 5'8" but would LOVE to be taller!)

I think we have to be reasonable in what we eat, how we live, choices we make and what we do to take care of our bodies. Things like this don't take into account all of the other factors we do to/for ourselves and our health.
 
People still do the pinch test? Athena, looking at a BMI chart, you're actually at 22 BMI. Which is perfectly healthy.

I suggest you tell your trainer to take their pinch test and shove it.
 
TristanC|1333519049|3163080 said:
This old chestnut again. BMI needs to be let go. And everyone needs to exercise more.

I do agree that fat levels are a much better answer. Now someone find me a way to accurately measure fat % levels.
There is a machine that does this. I have no idea what it's called, but it sends an electric current through you and through some complicated math, it spits out the numbers you need to figure out your fat %.

The BMI is really a worthless number. It does nothing to differentiate between fat, muscle, bone density, tissue (breast for example), and to be some kind of accurate measure of ANYTHING, it needs to add in some kind of body composition measure. But it doesn't. So...
 
FrekeChild|1333920248|3166320 said:
TristanC|1333519049|3163080 said:
This old chestnut again. BMI needs to be let go. And everyone needs to exercise more.

I do agree that fat levels are a much better answer. Now someone find me a way to accurately measure fat % levels.
There is a machine that does this. I have no idea what it's called, but it sends an electric current through you and through some complicated math, it spits out the numbers you need to figure out your fat %.

The BMI is really a worthless number. It does nothing to differentiate between fat, muscle, bone density, tissue (breast for example), and to be some kind of accurate measure of ANYTHING, it needs to add in some kind of body composition measure. But it doesn't. So...

I have that machine. The problem is that the electric guage is an approximation, and every manufacturer has their own algorithm so the variances between machines is not fixed. Also, at different points of time in the day, your fat % changes as your fluid hydration changes. More liquid = lower fat %

So in a nutshell, it is good for self study - you can compare your fat levels against your own levels the past X number of months, but it isn't valuable in a comparative way, unless everyone you know compares using your machine at the right point of time in the day.

Athenaworth, with the stats you shared...
A weight of 160lbs, and a height of 5ft 11inches translates to close to 72.5kg and 1.8m, which makes your BMI 22.37, which isn't anywhere near obese. The method he is using is ridiculously wrong. Unless you need to tell him to please stop pinching your boobs to calculate BMI. Its not very professional.
 
TristanC|1333977099|3166562 said:
Athenaworth, with the stats you shared...
A weight of 160lbs, and a height of 5ft 11inches translates to close to 72.5kg and 1.8m, which makes your BMI 22.37, which isn't anywhere near obese. The method he is using is ridiculously wrong. Unless you need to tell him to please stop pinching your boobs to calculate BMI. Its not very professional.

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Oh Tristan - that's a killer!!!
 
There are several methods for calculating or estimating body fat.

Hydrostatic weighing:
This is the most accurate. You go into a chamber and immerse yourself in water for several minutes. It uses the displacement ratios to give a body fat measurement. They're aren't many hydrostatic chambers, and it's expensive.

Caliper tests: A personal trainer measures your body fat with calipers. This works well if the trainer is experienced in doing this, but it's less accurate with someone who hasn't done it much.

Bioelectrical impedence:
This is the electrical current that's on body fat scales and some pod devices. It's not that accurate, but if you're using it to reduce body fat, it gives you an idea of whether you're headed in the right direction.

Measurement tables:
These use basic measurements (waist, neck, wrist, etc.) to give you a very rough estimate of your body fat percentage. There's a bunch online, like this one: http://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy
 
Tristan, BMI is not Boob Mass Index. :lol:

You know, they shouldn't let men into Pricescope. :Up_to_something:
 
kenny|1333993840|3166707 said:
Tristan, BMI is not Boob Mass Index. :lol:

You know, they shouldn't let men into Pricescope. :Up_to_something:

You guys are hilarious. I think what she did was the calipers test, and yea, it still baffles my mind. I'm trying not to focus on it because it just frusterates me.
 
athenaworth|1334004248|3166824 said:
kenny|1333993840|3166707 said:
Tristan, BMI is not Boob Mass Index. :lol:

You know, they shouldn't let men into Pricescope. :Up_to_something:

You guys are hilarious. I think what she did was the calipers test, and yea, it still baffles my mind. I'm trying not to focus on it because it just frusterates me.

Yanno, I don't even own a scale. I hate the stupid things. I know when I need to lose a few and I know when I don't. Don't need a scale or BMI measurements or a doctor telling me I am at a good weight or not. The only time I get weighed is at the ob/gyn and internist's office and I already know where I stand before I go anyway.

I think it might have its time and place for certain individuals- as a gauge perhaps if someone is on a weight loss plan as an example. But it is but one tool, and as so clearly shown here, has major drawbacks. So, grain of salt with this as with so many other things in life.

Athenaworth and Sonnyjane, you are both at a healthy (perfect!) weight IMO.
 
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