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Rfisher

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It took a bit longer than expected, but I received CADs from OWD today!
Adam is using his crown 8 and crown 6 design. I love this antique ring (sold Erstwhile).
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I've already asked for the side stone baskets to be scaled down appropriately to allow them to tuck under the center a bit.
And concerned that the prongs are noticeably beefier at the stone's girdle than the antique one.
I think the center stone donut /bottom of basket needs to be pinched in as well. And I'm not certain the CAD shown is scaled to my stones, the more I look at it.
Any thoughts? Am I going about this the wrong way by basing on OWD's current crown design?

Paging @Niel because her Birdie she's got going on is super similar.
 

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I think you're right about the center basket needing to be pinched in a bit so it has more of the tapered, bowl-like look of the inspiration. In regards to the prong, you can ask Adam to confirm that the setter will shape them to match the inspiration; I think it's the nature of CADs to make prongs look bigger than they will be.
 

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THe two issues I’ve been feeling with mine are
1. Do I want the shank to cathedral that much? Since it just kind of runs right into the shank?
Yours cathedrals up more than the inspiro
2. Are the prongs sufficiently hugging or cradling the stones so they feel snug against the prongs?
I think that’s what it is but I can’t tell I wish there was an angle where is like 45 degrees looking down
 

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Thanks @JPie for your thoughts!
I think you are right about shaping /finishing the tips of the prongs, but I'm also looking at it like his crown design has more metal in the three baskets overall. I'm just not sure if that slims down as well from CAD to cast naturally?
 

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What are the sizes of your stones Rfisher?

The biggest issue I see is that the donuts on the two outer stones are smaller in diameter than the inspiration and so the diamonds are sitting up higher rather than down nice and snug in the heads. The swooping metalwork/prongs also looks heavier so would want affirmation that it will be as delicate as the inspiration when done bc the delicacy is so important for this look IMO.
 

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Thanks @Niel for chiming in!
The prong angle / orientation is key, you are right.


Here's to round two and what it brings.
 

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Beautiful! I love the proportions! And they match very very well IMO. It's helpful to see this photo and your experience as I am going to end up with similar proportions for my ring (4.7 - 8.0 - 4.7). Fun!
 

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I think you've identified the things I noted, but here's a graphic.

I sized the boxes (blue, yellow, green) off the inspo ring and made the two rings the same inner diameter.

Center donut. The center donut (blue) of the CAD is a bit smaller than the inspo.
Side donuts. The side donut (yellow) are significantly smaller than the inspo.
Height. If you look at the green box on the inspo, you can see there is a lot of distance (elevation) between the tables of the center and sides. So, I think you need the center raised in the CAD.
Shoulder. No drawing, but the shoulder of the inspo is significantly lower than the inspo. So, it needs to be lowered but the shank on the inspo is also showing its age and it is too thin (top to bottom).

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In this top view, it really highlight the lack of tuck of the side stones. The side stones on the CAD are also more angled outward.

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Thank you @rockysalamander
Your graphics really hit those points home!

@dreamer_dachsie have you found your sides yet? With the caliber of your center stone, it surely might be in the cards to ask possibility of Yoram to (re)cut one or two to end up with an awesome match?
 

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Nothing to add, except to say - this is going to be glorious.

I'm currently doing a 3 stone with 5mm cushion sides and a 7.4mm center, so some of this stuff is useful to me, also. Thanks for sharing!
 

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Thank you @mrs-b !
I sure hope it turns out glorious too.

Have you shared your plans for your three stone somewhere here? I'm interested!
 

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Thank you @rockysalamander
Your graphics really hit those points home!

@dreamer_dachsie have you found your sides yet? With the caliber of your center stone, it surely might be in the cards to ask possibility of Yoram to (re)cut one or two to end up with an awesome match?
Yes, those drawings by @rockysalamander are great! Brava!! :appl: I do wonder... rocky suggested raising the center diamond... But if the side donuts are make larger then the sides could be lowered a bit, creating the same visual effect? It seems to my eye that the height of the sides is the "issue" in terms of the relative heights of the center/side tables, rather than the center diamond per se. But I could be wrong!

@Rfisher I have found one good contender and I am now waiting for it to arrive. Your idea of custom cutting exact matches is a good one. I have planted my money tree but for some reason it is barren :lol: There must be a secret I don't know about?? Some kind of fertilizer.

Anyway, you are correct that an *exact* match may not be possible in a true old cut. I am going to see the contender I found in person and go from there. It is a nice transitional but with a larger table than my diamond, and I have found about 6-8 others of similar makes in the past week or two (inlcuding one perfectly matched PAIR that are G color... too darn white.. ) but they are all the wrong size or color. But it makes me think I can find another of the same make eventually. I will see how I feel about the cut styles together and go from there :roll2:

WHere did you find your lovely trio??
 

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But if the side donuts are make larger then the sides could be lowered a bit, creating the same visual effect? It seems to my eye that the height of the sides is the "issue" in terms of the relative heights of the center/side tables, rather than the center diamond per se. But I could be wrong!
This is totally a possibility, although not really driven by the donut size, more the height of the center. If you want the setting low, as I always do, I'd ask that the sides are as low as possible and then set the center height off that. I actually have a small hole in the shank of my ring to allow them to lower my center just a fraction more. I'm a low-rider ring girl.

In terms of matching. I usually try to aim for a similar table and crown angle, but don't worry too much about the pattern. I think OEC are so variable that you could go made trying to match all three. I see my rings more from the side than above...so its that side view that I tend think a lot about. But, if the pattern is the visual thing that you focus on, then ignore me and focus on that.
 

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What are the sizes of your stones Rfisher?

The biggest issue I see is that the donuts on the two outer stones are smaller in diameter than the inspiration and so the diamonds are sitting up higher rather than down nice and snug in the heads. The swooping metalwork/prongs also looks heavier so would want affirmation that it will be as delicate as the inspiration when done bc the delicacy is so important for this look IMO.
DREAMER!!!! Where have you been, girl???!!!! Its SO good to see you!
 

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This is totally a possibility, although not really driven by the donut size, more the height of the center. If you want the setting low, as I always do, I'd ask that the sides are as low as possible and then set the center height off that. I actually have a small hole in the shank of my ring to allow them to lower my center just a fraction more. I'm a low-rider ring girl.

In terms of matching. I usually try to aim for a similar table and crown angle, but don't worry too much about the pattern. I think OEC are so variable that you could go made trying to match all three. I see my rings more from the side than above...so its that side view that I tend think a lot about. But, if the pattern is the visual thing that you focus on, then ignore me and focus on that.
I feel like the donut size matters bc it determines the diameter of the head, so a donut that is smaller in relation to the diamond will require the diamond to sit higher compared to a donut that is larger in relation to the diamond that allows the diamond to nestle down into the head more :read:

Generally I agree about table size and crown angle, absolutely. But playing with my own diamonds over the years has led me to think that overall diamond size has so much impact on perceptions, when the center is like double the diameter of the sides in a three stone for example, the ability to really perceive proportion differences like that are dwarfed to some extent by the difference in scale. Ir maybe I am just getting more “loose” about this stuff in my old age :lol:

The trouble is when you enjoy macro photography of diamonds as a hobby. Then it’s all on display and all the differences just compound!
 

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DREAMER!!!! Where have you been, girl???!!!! Its SO good to see you!
Hi lovely lady!! I have been lost in the wilderness for a few years but have been dipping my toes back into the pool in the past few weeks. Come catch up in my reset thread so we don’t hijack Rfishers post too much! Lol
 

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thanks @dreamer_dachsie
You are right - it will have to be noticeably more delicate to achieve the look I want, along with lowering the sides.
The stones are roughly 4.7 7.5 4.7
Here's a crappy pic of the buggers. Flawed and mis-matched just like me!
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@Rfisher as you say, "flawed stones" stones...girl they ARE absolute perfection! Looking forward to your new three stone!! So exciting:))
 

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@Rfisher as you say, "flawed stones" stones...girl they ARE absolute perfection! Looking forward to your new three stone!! So exciting:))
Thank you! But they're no where near perfection compared to most of the lovelies on this board. But they are 'right' for me. It's freightfully easy to double (triple?) the cost of stones by going for specs most guide towards here. I could have, but that'd just restrict/delay me on other things I want to do! One side stone leans towards brown tint, the other towards yellow. In my other thread, poor @sledge had to backtrack on his admiration of the center stone after I pointed out it's flaws! =)2 That's fine tho- each to their own!

WHere did you find your lovely trio??
I brought in stones form Ivy&Rose, OWD, and JbG.
These three I kept are all from OWD.

Hopefully round two of CAD with modifications will be done in next couple of days!
 

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Thank you! But they're no where near perfection compared to most of the lovelies on this board. But they are 'right' for me. It's freightfully easy to double (triple?) the cost of stones by going for specs most guide towards here. I could have, but that'd just restrict/delay me on other things I want to do! One side stone leans towards brown tint, the other towards yellow. In my other thread, poor @sledge had to backtrack on his admiration of the center stone after I pointed out it's flaws! =)2 That's fine tho- each to their own!
What? Care to point to the original thread? Personal and work life has been crazy lately, plus I've been sick so I'm not firing on all cylinders today.

That said, paying 2-3x more for a well proportioned stone seems out of whack. Maybe part of the difference is color, clarity and carat weight. Also if you go super ideal, there is sometimes a small percentage premium.

My apologies if I somehow led you astray. I assure you that was not my intent.
 

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What? Care to point to the original thread? Personal and work life has been crazy lately, plus I've been sick so I'm not firing on all cylinders today.

That said, paying 2-3x more for a well proportioned stone seems out of whack. Maybe part of the difference is color, clarity and carat weight. Also if you go super ideal, there is sometimes a small percentage premium.

My apologies if I somehow led you astray. I assure you that was not my intent.
I'm sorry @sledge
It was my attempt at a funny and I just...shouldn't have. My apologies.
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/i-received-two-oecs-to-test-drive-today.246156/
My intent was astray. I got cautious when I read another poster state the stones are perfection, when I well know they aren't. And I know the group well enough that future pictures shall highlight those flaws and they'll be painfully obvious and possibly mentioned. I don't wish to mislead anyone by omission. It was more attempted preventative and not really aimed at what you said at all.
And of course - my comment about easily spending 2-3 times more does encompass color and clarity, as well as condition, symmetry and polish. I suppose pattern as well. Well vetted antique stones come at a higher price, and even more so for a well matched pair for sides.
Once again, my apologies.
 

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Thank you @mrs-b !
I sure hope it turns out glorious too.

Have you shared your plans for your three stone somewhere here? I'm interested!
No - not yet, tho I'm happy to tell you. :))

I've broken down my 1.23ctw cushion studs. I haven't been wearing them and I thought they'd look awesome either side of my 7.4mm Jeff White yellow sapphire - which is absolutely gorgeous! I'm doing a very modern setting - small, pointy prongs, no embellishment, sapphire in yellow gold basket, rest of the ring in platinum. Gold holly motif at the back to tie the basket and the band together.

I don't think it will be ready for at least a month - maybe more - but we'll see. I'm SO looking forward to seeing it!

Any progress on your new round of CADs? I'm SO looking forward to seeing this lovely ring made and on your hand!
 
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No - not yet, tho I'm happy to tell you. :))

I've broken down my 1.23ctw cushion studs. I haven't been wearing them and I thought they'd look awesome either side of my 7.4mm Jeff White yellow sapphire - which is absolutely gorgeous! I'm doing a very modern setting - small, pointy prongs, no embellishment, sapphire in yellow gold basket, rest of the ring in platinum. Gold holly motif at the back to tie the basket and the band together.

I don't think it will be ready for at least a month - maybe more - but we'll see. I'm SO looking forward to seeing it!

Any progress on your new round of CADs? I'm SO looking forward to seeing this lovely ring made and on your hand!
That sounds beautiful mrs-b!
No surprise tho- I seem to love every project you do.

No CAD revision yet - hopefully soon.
 

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That sounds beautiful mrs-b!
No surprise tho- I seem to love every project you do.

No CAD revision yet - hopefully soon.
Hopefully today! Will be checking back regularly!

And thank you for the kind words. :))
 

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Closer. But not yet.
Lack of tucking in of the sides is bugging me.
 

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Annnnnd I'm back with an update!
Unfortunately OWD and I didn't have the same vision for the ring I want, so we've parted ways.
OWD's crown design is stunning, and I was willing to deviate to that style from the original inspiration antique victorian ring I wanted, if the side stones could tuck a bit under the center. They could not.
Adam said he's planning on still creating the ring for his stock - I'm excited to see it pop up on his Instagram.
Now anyone in my real life wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the slight tucking and style of baskets- but I knew I could.
So- I've sent the stones to DK! Amy received them 3/7 and I've already seen 2 CADs! It's almost perfect!
I found the better picture of my sidestones that I was originally looking for upthread so I'll drop it here. It has the first centerstone from OWD that had the awful canyon running thru the top that I returned. Pretty faceting tho!
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Thanks for this update! I was wondering if this was the point you might reach. I can’t wait to see it finished! I have been gathering my own inspiration pics and found the original ring that served as your inspiration... I didn’t even make the connection lol until I came back and looked here again. It really is a perfect Victorian style three stone and I can’t wait to see your version! When will it be ready?

And I love your whole suite of stones they are gorgeous :love:
 

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Third CAD just received and it's a charm indeed.
Approvals been given to go ahead and cast.
And I mixed up my dates above. They didn't receive the stones 3/7, it was 3/11! Even more impressive.
 
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