No GIA Clarity Grade for FANCY YELLOW WHY?

[Tension7]

hello all, window shopping at the maul, questioned clarity on gia, 2c fancy yellow oval. salesperson/grad gemologist stated color is more important in yellow stones, ques deflected looked at gia, no clarity grade. why? only yellow in store, i would think she knows the clarity, who is going to buy a stone without knowing it? asked again, same response. louped it with my 30x, saw carbon spot when looked sideways down girdle, not an expert. i think a consumer should know everything. i am irked by this. all yellow i have looked at online have gia clarity grade. thanks.

 

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It is my understanding that the GIA issues two different types of reports for colored diamonds...a simpler (and I assume less expensive) one which gives the weight, dimensions, color description, and confirmation that the color is natural.

Their complete lab report gives all the above, plus clarity grade, sym, polish, etc etc...

To an certain extent, I agree with the mall vendor. I think in colored diamonds, the color, and knowing that it''s natural color is most important. I think inclusions are a bit more forgivable, as long as they are pretty obscure and the stone is still attractive.

I suspect many vendors opt for the simpler report when they suspect that the clarity grade of a certain stone might not be too good...

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[Tension7]

"I suspect many vendors opt for the simpler report when they suspect that the clarity grade of a certain stone might not be too good..."


exactlly what i was thinking widget. thx

 

[BABYPUFFIN]

I don''t really think it''s a matter of vendors worried about not getting a good clarity grade because if you have a vivid blue or pink diamond, I don''t think there will be much difference in price between one that is VVS2 and another that is SI1 with those color grades. Color grade is priority in fancy colored stones. I would think most vendors would take a well cut SI2 Fancy Intense Blue diamond over a IF Fancy Grey-Blue anyday.

 

[JohnQuixote]

Bob Hoskins used to instruct colored gemstone courses for the GIA and graded diamonds there, so I asked him about this. He concurs with what’s been said. The color is most important and takes priority unless there is a glaring inclusion visible. Bob owns a Z diamond and imagines it would be graded an I1, but the inclusions can’t even be seen without a loupe because of the color present.

 

[RockDoc]

Everythings important !

While natural color, intensity of the color, pureness of the hue, is paramount in the grading of these stones, clarity and cut are still important too.

If you have great color, great clarity grade,and nice cut proportions ( which sometimes in fancy color stones are much more broad range, as a good cutter of them will cut it primarilly to show the most intensity of the color).

However as far as valuing or pricing, clarity is an issue, as is fluorescence, and proportions, and sometimes origin.

Rockdoc

 

[diagem]

Like colored gem stones, colored diamonds are first valued for their "color"!!!
Most colored rough diamond material will be cut to maximize color and size. Which means that the angle''s on these diamonds are not-conventional angle''s. but custom angle''s that would fit that particular rough material.

Its pretty rare these days to find a colored diamond which has an amazing color hue, good clarity (vs2+), and a common diamond cut (ex. round faceting arangements, Asscher''s, emerald cuts etc. etc...)

when ever you find one, expect to pay through the roof (and then some!!!)

Because color is the most important!!! cutters get a chance to certify their stones with no clarity grade!
Usually when you find a colored diamond with a color report only, that would probably mean that the clarity is SI2 or worse.
Most colored diamond cutters will fully certify the stones which have SI1 clarity or better.

 

[etienneperret]

If you really love the diamond, offer to pay to get the full GIA cert for the diamond. It will mean that the ring will not be able to be sold until the examination is complete, so the store may not want to have it out of inventory. The ring may actually not belong to the store, it may be on consignment from the manufacture. Once you have the official paper work you will still have to decide if you love the diamond enough to spend the money.

 

[He Scores]

Perhaps the cert was only a GIA origin of color. The clerks opinion that only color matters is just that. On fancy colors one would likely think that the color is more important since that is much more easily seen by the neked eye, and the price of a fancy color may not change as dramatically with the clarity grade as it would with the color grade.

This is what gets me about salespeople. You had a legitimate concern about clarity and rather than address it and try to determine it together with you, she dismissed your concern as "unimportant".


Bill