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charger08

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I have put a deposit down on this stone but not sure I am completely happy with it. What does everything think is good for this stone's value? 1.09 carats GIA H Si1 Very good cut(i think i want an excellent cut) with good polish and semmetry. I am torn between getting a larger stone with and ags or egl certificate on it and this smaller stone with the gia cert.

thanks!
 
Price varies by cut so you'd need to post the lab report so we could pull the numbers to see how bad or good the proportions are.

AGS diamond cost more per carat than GIA. So ... that's something you need to be aware of. As for EGL see below.


THAT SAID:

Here's a little information to get you started though:

The entire purpose of faceting a diamond is to reflect light.
How well or how poorly a diamond does this determines how beautiful it is. And you need a reliable lab report which means GIA or AGS only. NOT EGL (read here: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/[/URL])
How well a diamond performs is determined by the angles and cutting. This is why we say cut is king.
No other factor: not color, not clarity has as much of an impact on the appearance of a diamond as its cut. An ideal H will out white a poorly cut F. And with MODERN ROUND BRILLIANTS even GIA Ex is not enough.
So how to we ensure that we have the right angles and cutting to get the light performance we want?
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut (for round brilliants)
Well one method is to start with a GIA Ex, and then apply the HCA to it.
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/holloway-cut-advisor
The HCA is a rejection tool. Not a selection tool. It uses 4 data points to make a rudimentary call on how the diamond may perform.
If the diamond passes then you know that you are in the right zone in terms of angles for light performance.
Is that enough? Not really.
So what you need is a way to check actual light performance of your actual stone. For round brilliants that's what an idealscope image does. https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/firescope-idealscope
It shows you how and wear your diamond is reflecting light, how well it is going at it, and where you are losing light return. That is why you won't see us recommending Blue Nile, as they do not provide idealscope images for their diamonds. James Allen, BGD, GOG, HPD, ERD and WF do.

The Idealscope is the 'selection tool' for round brilliants. Not the HCA.
So yes, with a GIA round brilliant you need the idealscope images. Or you can buy an idealscope yourself and take it in to the jeweler you are working with to check the stones yourself. Or if you have a good return policy (full refund minimum 7 days) then you can buy the idealscope, buy the stone, and do it at home.


Now if you want to skip all that... stick to AGS0 modern round brilliant stones and then all you have to do is pick color and clarity and you know you have a great performing diamond. Because AGS has already done the checking for you. That's why they trade at a premium.

:read: :read: :read: :read: :read: :read: I hope you enjoy your time here on Pricescope. We love newbies and helping them learn. So if you ever need something explained to you... just let us know and we'll be happy to help!
 
Get your deposit back and we can help you find something very nice for your budget.
 
I have a few weeks to decide the deposit is just to hold the stone i get a full refund if I don't want it.

The Gia report is 6147704229
1.09 carats

Curious what you think a fair price would be?
 
Nice stones for you to consider.
These are all ideal light performance stones with verification though AGS0 certificates and idealscope images.

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3016680.htm (what I'd buy)
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.002-h-si1-round-diamond-ags-104064813009
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10102/


GIA Ex with good HCA (you would need to request an idealscope image from JA):
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.01-carat-h-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-280790
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.01-carat-h-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-280828
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.04-carat-h-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-288210


This is what you should be paying. And that's for ideal light performance. Around 6-7k.
 
charger08|1393477851|3623911 said:
I have a few weeks to decide the deposit is just to hold the stone i get a full refund if I don't want it.

The Gia report is 6147704229
1.09 carats

Curious what you think a fair price would be?
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It was very hard to find a direct comparable. Why? Because the stone is a 60/60 with compromised light performance because of the pavillion angle of 41.6 . What does that mean: https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/60-60-proportioned-diamond What that means for PRICING is that it is going to be significantly discounted because that of that.



The closest two stones I found was were these:
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.08-carat-h-color-si1-clarity-very-good-cut-sku-185690 This one IS a 60/60 but it is NOT one with compromised performance (yours has a pavillion angle of 41.6 and this one has a pavillion angle of 41.0 which is a much better angle). But it has strong blue fluorescence. Which discounts it. $5,260

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-4431198-1.08-carat-Round-diamond-H-color-SI1-Clarity.aspx?sku=4431198&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com NOT a 60/60 but a VG cut GIA stone that is deep. No fluorescence -- like yours. $5,588.74

Price is therefore between: $5,588.74 and $5,260.

So since yours is worth more than the JA stone but less than the B2C stone I'd say somewhere around 5,450 is a fair price for it. :wavey:

I wouldn't buy it. There are much better deals out there.
 
That's interesting because the jeweler I'm buying from is a Gia graduate and he tells me that he looks for that 60:60 and that is a big attraction to him. Interesting to see how you came up with that pricing. He is offering it to me for $4700. Good enough deal to buy it or search for something with an excellent cut?

Thanks again
 
 
It's not a good enough deal for me, personally.

But it nice the that price reflects it's flaws.

I think the price is fair. Would I buy it? No.

But I'm not you.

To quote myself:
How well a diamond performs is determined by the angles and cutting. This is why we say cut is king.
No other factor: not color, not clarity has as much of an impact on the appearance of a diamond as its cut. An ideal H will out white a poorly cut F. And an ideal I will out white a compromised H. And with MODERN ROUND BRILLIANTS even GIA Ex is not enough. Let alone a VG with a 41.6 pavillion angle on a 60/60.

I like 60/60's. The good ones. This isn't one of those.
 
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1.2 carats

what about this one?

Downgrading to a J but bigger size. I know I will not able to tell the difference in color between the J and H but as far as the rapaport goes it will not appraise for as much..how much does this matter?
 
You might be able to tell. There is a reason one is a J and another is an H. But they are not near colorless and both white.

And I gave you everything you need to evaluate the diamond yourself above.

The HCA is a pass fail test. It's a useful tool.

Under 2 pass. Over 2 fail (ignore what it says about "price is right" or whatever).

You can use it yourself to screen stones.

But if you read what I wrote above you will realize that it is a rejection tool not a selection tool.

You should still work with a vendor that can provide idealscope images.

Also read this:
John Pollard|1392926535|3619475 said:
HCA information here: https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/holloway-cut-advisor

In Context

Just imagine that you're trying to get to know someone's looks and personality...

An HCA score is merely like having a chalk outline of the person.
Grading report numbers are like having the person's height, weight and clothing measurements.
An ASET or Ideal-Scope (for RB) image is like having a still photo of the person.
An AGS Platinum "0" in performance is like a panel of judges confirming that the person's personality and looks are solid.
A 3D scan in sophisticated cut-calculation software is like having a video interview with the person.

Eventually, it's a lot of great information. All told it's enough for an experienced cut-specialist to make very detailed performance predictions. But in the end, a live date (dinner & a movie?) will be how you finally judge total personality and looks as you, individually, perceive them.
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So here is the newest stone I am closing to getting. It got a 2.2 on the HCA and the gia cert number is 2145734539 and is 1.0 car/ I / si1.

trying to see if I am getting a good deal what are your thoughts

thanks!
 
Along w/ an Idealscope, it's important for your vendor to provide a good return policy. Even after weeding through all of the paperwork and pictures, there's nothing that can take the place of what appeals to our eyes when looking at the stone in person.

Did you decide to take a closer look at the 1ct/I/SI1?
 
I've been to a few stores and have found this one at Jareds actually. They special ordered it for me and the cert number is GIA 14619467. They have a lifetime warranty on the diamond and will give me a 3 months to return it. I have not bought it yet but am getting close.

What do you think is a good value on this. Excellent cut, polish, and symmetry and scored a 1.8 on the HCA. GIA I/si1
 
1.01 carats
 
I'm sure you are paying too much for it at Jareds. What is the price on that stone?
Here's what you should be paying for that diamond:
EXACT same diamond (check certificate number): http://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/I-SI1-Affinity%20Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond/D14148173 Price: $5,809 Bankwire Price: $5,722


Also you don't need a lifetime warranty. Those warranties have a 100 different stipulations that you have to follow or you lose them. And they aren't worth the paper they are written on as a result.

And all you need is insurance on your ring. Which you would have to get anyway to protect against loss or theft. And that will have the protection you need.

James Allen has excellent pricing. An upgrade policy. And a 60 day no questions asked return policy. I suggest you buy from them.
 
I found a similar stone at local jeweler for $4700 and the people at Jared order me a similar one and said they would match the price. It ended up being a better diamond than the original one and I am getting it for $4700. What do you think? They gave me some paperwork on the lifetime guarantee but there was no fine print about those stipulations. I do realize I would probably need to get insurance anyways for the theft of losing it.

Do you think this is a top quality cut and stone for the specs on this type of diamond? hope that makes sense:)

Should I buy:?
 
charger08|1394072831|3628366 said:
I found a similar stone at local jeweler for $4700 and the people at Jared order me a similar one and said they would match the price. It ended up being a better diamond than the original one and I am getting it for $4700. What do you think? They gave me some paperwork on the lifetime guarantee but there was no fine print about those stipulations. I do realize I would probably need to get insurance anyways for the theft of losing it.

Do you think this is a top quality cut and stone for the specs on this type of diamond? hope that makes sense:)

Should I buy:?
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So they offered you the exact stone above for 4700? then yes, I'd snatch that up as long as it is eyeclean you have seen it.
 
How do you know its better?
 
Well it scored better on the HCA(other one was 2.2) and had excellent polish when my original only had a very good polish. Minor things but still better I guess

And yes it is offered to me at $4700...the exact same stone as above link
 
Did you see it in person?

That coupled with the return policy is a YES for me.

Take it to an independent appraiser and get it checked out ASAP. https://www.pricescope.com/appraisers
 
What Gypsy said x2 :))!

If you've seen it, or if Jared's will special order it and give you the option to turn it down once you see it, then go for it. In that case you'll really have nothing to lose!

Our local Jared's Galleria has amazing customer service and I've spent so many afternoons there learning, comparing, studying diamonds, etc. But when it comes to special ordering certain items, sometimes they have limitations, so just double check before you commit to the purchase.

Let us know when you get the stone!! :wavey:
 
They ordered it for me on Sunday and it arrived Tuesday with no obligation to buy. I saw it yesterday and I'm no professional but it looked good to me. It has the Gia number inscribed on it and although there are a few small inclusions they are only seen with the scope. Do you think a place like Jared's would have an ideal scope to take those pictures so I can post them here? I have until Monday to buy it
 
No they won't have an idealscope.

But you are ok to buy it and take it to an appraiser. You need to do that either way for your insurance. So might as well get it all done at once.

I posted the list of appraisers for you above.
 
Alright so after all this back and forth between a few different jewelers I am going with this one. Its a little more than I wanted to spend but I think I got a great deal.

GIA 10603909
1.16 carats
G
si1
Excellent Cut
HCA 1.6

How would you rate this one and what value would you put on it?

Thanks!
 
Well then I think I did pretty good. Got it for $7000 total including tax and a 3/4 carat setting:)
What do you think?


Thanks for all the help!
 
charger08|1394174832|3629168 said:
Well then I think I did pretty good. Got it for $7000 total including tax and a 3/4 carat setting:)
What do you think?


Thanks for all the help!
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Since this is the one you've bought, what matters the most is what YOU think, and it seems like you're really happy. Congrats on finding something you love, and please post pics when you get a chance. We love "ooohing and aaaaahing" :)) !
 
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