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New home for a familiar stone....2.30ct Octavia set by McTeigue & McClelland

dreamscape

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Hello lovely Pricescopers! :wavey: I've been lurking here off and on for almost four years, back since I began doing research on what kind of engagement ring I wanted. I always thought I would make my first post when I finally received my e-ring and could share about the process, but there were some minor snafus along the way (...the dealer I bought from sent me a diamond with different stats, :shock:, which I only caught on my own later through pure chance) that soured the experience a bit and made me hesitant to share. I will definitely post about it someday -- this is a consumer protection forum after all-- but for my first thread I wanted to post something wholly positive! The past few weeks living under the shadow of the global pandemic have overwhelmed me with anxiety, but reading the posts here and seeing everyone's lovely treasures has provided a soothing escape and allayed a bit of my turmoil, so I thought maybe I could pay back the favor and finally share something lovely in return!

Back when I first joined PS, I wholly convinced that I needed a modern round brilliant, but a few weeks spent perusing old threads up into the wee hours here opened my eyes to the wonderful world of antique diamonds and I fell deeply in love, eventually ending up with a transitional center stone. Likewise, I was initially convinced that step cuts were Just Not My Thing, but only until I stumbled across threads on the Octavia asscher. I delved into the archives and read the original posts with Karl_K messing about with DiamCalc, the back and forth with him and Yoram and Serg, the surprise prototype that was eventually cut, the forum collaborating on the eventual name of the stone, and of course the SMTB posts of all the lucky Octavia owners. I was so delighted by it all! I was of course blown away by the aesthetics of the cut (the amazing light performance! the faceting, the tiny table, the high crown!), but also the geeky scientist in me was fascinated by how the whole thing came together, and I thought it was incredible that it was the product of a public collaboration between professionals and prosumers, a kind of representation of what makes Pricescope so wonderful to me in the first place. I told myself that someday I would love to own one, but I also discovered the supply of Octavias was (understandably!) scarce. I would passively watch the inventory at GOG and DBL to see if one with the right specs might magically pop up, but they were all below the size and color I really wanted. So in the meantime, I continued to occasionally moon over the lovely Octavias already posted here, and the one I probably stared at the most was Dancing Fire's jaw-dropping 2.30ct I VS2 Octavia. Not only did it have an incredible size for an Octavia (I believe it is the second biggest to ever be cut!), but it had my very favorite effect in a diamond, Very Strong Blue Florescence! I sighed to myself with envy, knowing that even if I could find another Octavia cut that big, the likelihood of pairing it was VSB flour was slim to none.

And so I just kept the Octavia as a dream in the back of my mind, until, one day, improbably....Dancing Fire decided to lose his mind and put his stone up for sale! I was busy with a course at the time and not checking Pricescope very regularly, but a friend who introduced me to this forum immediately put out our diamond bat signal, and I jumped on the opportunity! I have never made such a big impulse purchase in my life, but I really felt like it must have been fate for this particular stone to be offered while I happened to have the funds to purchase it, and so I took a chance. Happily enough, Dancing Fire and I only lived a few hours away from each other so we met up halfway in the lobby of a bank to complete the exchange in person. (My husband, who accompanied me, thought the whole process was hilariously sketchy and to this day continues to refer to her as my "shady drug deal diamond"). I was so tickled with the stone when I got it (I probably spent 20 minutes in the parking lot of the bank gazing at the VSBF in the sun and shifting the ring from side to side to show off all the amazing scintillation before my husband grew exasperated and made us start to drive back), but after that I admit....it just sat in my jewelry box. For over a year! Not due to lack of love for it, but life was busy with classes I was taking for the next few months, and the setting process proved to be....more challenging than expected.

So Dancing Fire gave the stone to me still set in his platinum tension setting, which was far too big for me (it even slid off my thumbs!), and though very dashing on him, was not precisely my style. I needed to reset it but wasn't sure exactly how. Should I indulge my halo obsession? Wear it as a plain elegant solitaire? Some sort of three stone? In the end I decided to just pick a designer I liked and have them run with their inspiration. So I began to put out feelers. The first designer, a trusted PS vendor, flat-out did not reply to me. I had bought a pre-made piece from them prior and they were fairly responsive then, so I was surprised and decided maybe they was just busy. I waited a few months, and contacted them again about another pre-made piece they was offering, and they got back to me promptly! We had a back and forth for a few weeks about an issue I had with that piece, and they continued to be attentive and lovely, but somehow, every email that contained any reference to doing a custom piece received no reply....so bizarre. I finally gave up on that and decided to contact a Japanese design house I liked.....no response. After I reached out a third time, the COO of the company finally sent me a reply, asked me for details of the stone and what my general vision was, and said he would have the artisan get back to me with some sketches. Well, that was well over a year ago and no one has contacted me since! I even met the master artisan of the house a few months later on a visit to Tokyo, who said he'd never heard my request but would make sure someone would follow up with me....but still, no dice. Sigh. So I reached out to a third vendor, also very well known and respected on Pricescope. I had actually met them at a trunk show years before and they was incredibly friendly, but over email....well, they was certainly extremely prompt in responding, but let's just say their disinterest in working with me was palpable. I was about ready to give up at this point -- Was I cursed? Did my emails smell bad or something?

But then, as I was browsing the archives one day, I stumbled on a post from mrs-b where she mentioned going to visit McTeigue & McClelland, who were willing to set a stone of hers. I was shocked, because I looooved Mc2's designs, but I knew they firmly stated that they did not work with outside stones. I had never even thought of them for the Octavia for that reason! But apparently they would consider it if the quality of the stone was high enough? Excited, I sent off an email, included some pictures and videos of the stone to hopefully prove its worth, and got a prompt, friendly response back. They'd be happy to work with my stone....but....they wanted me to visit their workshop....in Eastern Massachusetts. That was clear across the country from me! At this point though, what can I say, I was desperate, thrilled someone had finally said yes to me, and especially thrilled it was Mc2. There was a setting of theirs I had always loved that I knew would be just perfect for this stone! I had a visit to NYC planned in a couple months anyway, so when the trip rolled around, I set aside a day, rented a car, and drove the 3 hours to Great Barrington, MA (honestly it was kind of a beautiful drive and a very cute town so I can't complain too much!). They were a lovely bunch of truly kind people, and their atelier and the treasures within were fascinating and gorgeous. I dropped off the stone, made a final decision on the setting, and three months later-- voilà!

I know, I know, enough yap yap yapping, where are the pictures already. Well here she is:

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(Gotta excuse my grown out manicure and swollen fingers, I had just come back from vacation when the ring arrived but I had to wear it and take 100x pictures immediately!)

I chose Mc2's Trillium setting, which has three arced "petals" of bloomed 18K yellow gold each side and a platinum four-prong head. There was the option to add diamonds on the side of the head or on the petals, but I didn't want to compete too much with the center stone, and so only chose to accent the shank with two sets of pavé rondelles on each side. I'm not going to lie, this setting was E X P E N S I V E, but I really really love how it turned out. The deep, old-world look of the bloomed gold is stunning, the craftsmanship in general is impeccable, and I love the organic, fluid feel to the whole piece -- to me it is art. My favorite aspect: one of the things I love most about the Octavia is its high crown, but one of the downsides of the former tension setting that it seemed to mask it and flatten the diamond when I looked down at it. This setting in contrast acts like a pedestal, keeping the stone set low but giving the illusion of lift and showing off the crown in all of its puffy glory :)

I feel very lucky that I chose to get this made when I did -- at the end of last year, McTeigue & McClelland went out of business, which broke my heart a little bit, since they were masters of their craft and also genuinely sweet, thoughtful people. Will treasure this piece of their artistry for a long long time! (And sorry about the novel I just wrote! Guess I had 4 years of words to get out =)2)
 

AprilBaby

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Spectacular! I love the setting :kiss2:
 

bright ice

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Wow, it’s STUNNING and that’s my ALL time favorite Mc2 setting. Congrats and wear it in the best of health and happiness! :love:
 

Lykame

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Wow, thoroughly enjoyed the read!!!! Thank you, I always love hearing about things like this. What an amazing journey you have been on with this stone and how AMAZING to see @Dancing Fire's Octavia brought back to life in a different setting!!! WOW! Isn't this what Pricescope dreams are made of? Seriously?

I'm sniggering away at the shady type dealing you had in a bank with @Dancing Fire, I bet you regret nothing! In a nod to always being safe, it sounds like you both planned that very carefully and sensibly, which is always important and should never be scoffed at.

I might have to go and hunt down some of those original Octavia threads you mention, unless you have easy access to any of those links?

Also - we definitely need way more pictures and maybe a video or two??? That setting does indeed look like a work of art. The stone looks like a work of art, too.

Thank you again.
 

yssie

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Oh my god.

This is the sort of ring I dream about and then continue to daydream about through the next day.
:love:

You have... a piece that transcends eras and generations. A slice of history.
A treasure of the sort that noone, no matter how much money or desire she might have, will ever be able to recreate.


Thank you so much for posting your story and your beautiful, beautiful ring @dreamscape. Please post (many many many) more photos! I don't think we'll ever get another chance to see this combination of specialty stone and specialty setting.

:love:
 

MakingTheGrade

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I had no idea they went out of business. That’s such a loss. I LOVE their settings.

And your ring is out of this world insane gorgeous! So much perfection in one ring!


Also I agree. Videos are so needed!!
 

LightBright

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Wow. Instant Classic. This is a phenomenal story of persistence and impeccable taste. Thank you for sharing your story about giving this perfect diamond such a perfect setting. It looks beautiful on you.
 
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luv2sparkle

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Holy Moly Wow. That is a spectacular piece. I am so very happy for you that you were able to get the ring of your dreams in the nick of time. I loved reading your story. Thank you for taking the time to post your story. Your ring will probably go down as an all time PS favorite. Congratulations!!!
 

canuk-gal

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HI:

Mc2 is da bomb. Breathtakingly beautiful.

cheers--Sharon
 

Slick1

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I am speechless! Your ring is delicious, spectacular, amazing, beyond stunning! Thank you for sharing! Enjoy that beauty!
 

dreamscape

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Thank you so much for your kind words everyone! I know this was an iconic Pricescope stone so I always wanted to come and give an update on what happened to it but was nervous about living up to the high standards of all your lovely rings and whether you thought I'd done it justice or not!

I'm sniggering away at the shady type dealing you had in a bank with @Dancing Fire, I bet you regret nothing! In a nod to always being safe, it sounds like you both planned that very carefully and sensibly, which is always important and should never be scoffed at.

I might have to go and hunt down some of those original Octavia threads you mention, unless you have easy access to any of those links?
Haha yes, I was fully prepared to try going through an escrow service or something similar, but once we discovered we didn't live that far from each other we figured we could make things work without an intermediary this way! It was a memorable experience to be sure :) And I wish I could remember the full rabbit hole of Octavia research/ogling I went down years ago, but I think this is probably the most relevant thread (just reread it and geeked out all over again!).


You have... a piece that transcends eras and generations. A slice of history.
A treasure of the sort that noone, no matter how much money or desire she might have, will ever be able to recreate.

Thank you so much for posting your story and your beautiful, beautiful ring @dreamscape. Please post (many many many) more photos! I don't think we'll ever get another chance to see this combination of specialty stone and specialty setting.
Why thank you yssie! Many of your pieces are in my personal PS hall of fame so that means so much! And I will try to post more photos and videos! I am very very pregnant at the moment so some days my rings don't fit me well (and with the lockdown going on my manicure is back to looking questionable!) but I'll see what I can do :)

I had no idea they went out of business. That’s such a loss. I LOVE their settings.
It is such a pity! Tim McClelland (who was the master jeweler) is still making their Wildflower engagement rings and wedding bands on a small scale so I believe you can still obtain similar settings if you wish, but it's sad that the partnership with Walter McTeigue (who picked out all their lovely stones) had to end and it's the end of their more creative pieces. They had an insane closeout sale in the winter and I had such mixed feelings over the crazy discounts offered (I grabbed one or two things when it finally got to the 50-75% off stage) and knowing it was because their small business was going through bankruptcy and such treasures would likely never be made again.
 

Austina

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Oh my gosh, absolutely stunning
 

Catmom

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Wow, it can't get any better than that. Just stunning. No other word for it!
 

OoohShiny

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That is exquisite :love:

I love the Octavia, that goes without saying :D but the setting somehow looks like it's Roman, but also 1920s, 18th Century, Tudor...

Good design lasts throughout the ages, and I think this will be a piece you will wear forever! :))

My Gran always said that what's meant to be, will be - so while the universe made you wait, it was so the end result could be this good :)
 
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Bonfire

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My favorite setting if all time! I love how you told your story and lead up to the reveal! The universe conspired to bring your stone and that setting together! Work of art.
 

sunnyside74

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WOW. Just WOW. Thank you for brightening up the forum with this exquisite piece during this difficult time. Many more pictures as you are able, please :)
 

yennyfire

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Oh my god.

This is the sort of ring I dream about and then continue to daydream about through the next day.
:love:

You have... a piece that transcends eras and generations. A slice of history.
A treasure of the sort that noone, no matter how much money or desire she might have, will ever be able to recreate.


Thank you so much for posting your story and your beautiful, beautiful ring @dreamscape. Please post (many many many) more photos! I don't think we'll ever get another chance to see this combination of specialty stone and specialty setting.

:love:
I can’t say it any better than @yssie. I’m speechless with love!
 

foxinsox

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Oh WOW! instant new favourite ring. The stone and the setting are utterly perfect. I really feel like we need a bajilion more pictures please!!
 

kipari

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Swooooon!!!!
And even in the pictures I see exactly what you mean regarding the puffy crown! Glorious
 

tyty333

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Always wondered what happened to DF's Octavia! Congratulations on being the new owner... it's lovely!
 

Dancing Fire

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@dreamscape , WoW!, finally after 2 yrs ?? :lol:. That is a beautiful ring...:love: Congrats! :clap: :clap:

I still miss the Octavia after 2 yrs. I'm glad it went to a good home. The stone looks much bigger on your finger than mine..:bigsmile:

After I sold you the Octavia I asked Yoram to find a rough to cut me another one approx 2.75ct, however after 6 month of searching he was unable find the rough so I ended up buying a MRB CBI instead.

IMO an Octavia is the only fancy cut that can rival an MRB in performance. If I ever buy another fancy cut again the Octavia would be it!. An Octavia is a very rare animal the odds of you seeing another one in public are slim and none!, so congrats again on your beautiful ring...:clap:
 
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