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kathleen

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Hi guys!!

I just happened to stumble upon this website, and haven''t been able to stop reading it since!! I''ve learned sooo much, but still have so many questions. My story is this. I''ve been wanting to get a new diamond for years now. I''d been casually shopping around, and stopped in
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at a local diamond broker in my city. I purchased from him a RB 2.43, SI 1, F color. I could see a few tiny inclusions, but I loved the stone. The cert was from EGL (their European branch).

Then, the next week, I ran into a family friend of ours. He''s also a jeweler. He said he thought the diamond should have been rated a I1, and I paid too much. So I returned the diamond to the first broker. The family friend then sold me a 2.10, I color, SI1, very eye clean. But somehow it just didn''t sparkle like my first diamond. So I returned that one to the family friend.

Now, I''m back to square one, and actually I''m glad because I had no idea there was so much to know. I''m looking forward to gathering as much info as I can, and be able to finally make an educated decision.

What I do know for sure is that I want a RB stone, around 2.5 carats, D-F in color, and probably VS1-VS2. I know I want it as bright and sparkly as possible. I get confused though about fire, scintillation, etc. I did look at a Hearts on Fire stone, and to me it looked a little dark. Very colorful in it''s sparkles, but yet dark, like graphite or something. Is that because of it''s fire? Also, how does the crown, table, angles, etc. play into the brightness of a stone? If the table is big, like around 58%, would that make a diamond brighter and whiter? And, can a diamond be bright and white, but also have the colorful sparkles?

I did see a diamond in Ble Nile''s signature collection that I was interested in. It''s a 2.43, D color, VS1. It''s GCAL report that shows the light leakage looks really good (almost zero leakage).

I''m to the point where I''m not as concerned about price, I just want a REALLY REALLY bright sparkly diamond. What do I do??? Help!!!
 
Hi, Kathleen and welcome! It looks like you were very fortunate to find this site before making a very large purchase! I count myself fortunate in this regard as well since I was able to learn on here for a few months and searched for just the right stone!

If you start out by limiting yourself to ideal cut diamonds with reliable, respected certificates, you''ll be waaaay ahead of the game. And by that I mean AGS 0 (Ideal) or GIA Excellent. GIA Excellent is a broader range, so you just have to look at the numbers to be sure you''re on the right track. There have been a lot of posts on here about the appearance of ideal cut stones. Apparently they can look dark in certain light but give off more fire. I definitely wanted an ideal cut stone, but I did choose one with a larger table (56. something) to maximize brightness as well. You might want to avoid the smaller 53-54 tables and focus on 56-58. My old diamond probably has a 60+ table, and it is very white, but it has NO fire at all!! I never knew what I was missing until I saw an ideal cut diamond! Another thing I did was focus on depths from 60-62. When you go deeper than 62, you do usually lose a little diameter. But too shallow is not good either, because those stones can also look dark at times.
The crown angle should be between 34 and 35, and the pavilion angle around 40.6 to 40.9.

Most people cannot tell a D from an F, so you would get more value for your money in a larger stone if you concentrate on F or even G. I also think VS1 or 2 is a great choice. I ''d recommend taking a look at Good Old Gold, White Flash, James Allen, and Winfield''s listed under resources/vendors. They all have excellent reputations and carry very fine stones. Just be sure to focus on in-house stones..those will have pictures and other info on the stones, and means that the vendor physically has the stone and can look at it for you, take photos, etc.

Good luck and we''ll enjoy seeing what you find!
 
DS gave you some really good advice. I didn''t get a chance to glance at all the links, but I am sure they are killer stones.

To get the most sparkle and beauty, concentrate on CUT. Clarity and color are not the driving forces in a diamond''s beauty.

I have a stone close to the size range you are looking for. It''s a gorgeous, AGS-0 2.36 J/SI2 stone that is VERY white, totally eye-clean, and has blown away every other diamond I have ever seen in person.

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hey kathleen
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welcome to ps!
you are already on your way to finding a great diamond by the looking at stones and learning as much as you can.
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i know what you are saying about the hearts on fire. the lighting that they use to showcase the scintillation (sparkle) tends to give the body a darker appearance. fortunately, you won''t be viewing the diamond in jewelry store conditions and a well cut diamond with great proportions will not look like that all the time. that is the importance of viewing diamonds in a more realistic environment. when i look at diamonds in the jewelry store, i usually bring them down into the shadow of the display case or take them to a nearby window. you can get a better idea of how the diamond will perform outside of the bright lights. the big difference with hof and other well cut diamonds, is their ability to really sparkle from the inside. the play of light that comes from a well cut diamond is just mesmerizing. as ds mentioned, once you see it, you will never go back. you definitely realize how many crappy diamonds are out there after seeing a great cut!
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there is really something special about a well cut stone. obviously, you knew that since you are still looking! keep reading, keep learning and i have no doubt you will find something special.
it''s good to have you here!
 
Wow!!!

Thanks for all the info!! I love it here already!!

Lynn, I''ve been admiring your ring since I first found this sight!! Your setting came from Whiteflash, right??
 
Date: 10/10/2006 4:20:43 PM
Author: kathleen
Wow!!!

Thanks for all the info!! I love it here already!!

Lynn, I''ve been admiring your ring since I first found this sight!! Your setting came from Whiteflash, right??
Awww, thanks, Kathleen. Yep, the setting was made by WF.
 
Date: 10/10/2006 2:45:01 PM
Author:kathleen
Hi guys!!
I did look at a Hearts on Fire stone, and to me it looked a little dark. Very colorful in it''s sparkles, but yet dark, like graphite or something. Is that because of it''s fire? Also, how does the crown, table, angles, etc. play into the brightness of a stone?

I''m to the point where I''m not as concerned about price, I just want a REALLY REALLY bright sparkly diamond. What do I do??? Help!!!

Did you see the HoF in a jewelry store?
If you saw it under jewelers lights - then you should be aware that diamonds tend to go dark in that type of lighting, and display lots of fire (colored flashes), and less brillance (white flashes), and some scintillation (movement between the two). It''s NOT a sign of a poorly cut stone, infact quite the contrary. Stick around, do your research, talk to a couple of reputatable dealers who deal in ideal cut stones. (not just "your friend the jeweler")

Have fun, happy hunting. I''m sure you''ll get something spectacular.

Scintillating...
 
kathleen, what a lucky gal! You''re going to end up with quite a ring there.
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I have a thread in here called The Fire Thread, and I have a very well cut round. If you look in that thread, particularly on the first page, there are several where my diamond is darker, but putting off fire. Then there are many where it doesn''t, might help give you an idea of their personalities. There are other stones posted too.
 
Hi Ellen-

I looked at The Fire Thread. Your ring is gorgeous!! I''m sure it''s written somewhere, but what color, size, cut, etc. is it?
 
Welcome!!!!!!!
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My input is to view lots and lots and lots of stones before you buy one so you know what a well cut stone looks like. And by then you''ll know what shape you like and if fire or white flashes are more important to YOU. After all this will be your stone. Buy what you like.
 
Date: 10/10/2006 8:54:41 PM
Author: kathleen
Hi Ellen-

I looked at The Fire Thread. Your ring is gorgeous!! I''m sure it''s written somewhere, but what color, size, cut, etc. is it?
Thanks!

I got it from GoodOldGold. It just happened to be an Isee2, which are truly beautifully cut stones. It''s a 1.40 G VS1. Not sure how much info you want on cut/specs, let me know if you want the whole enchilada.
 
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