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razzie

razzie

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Here is the situation... I want a 1.5-2.0 emerald cut with good cut, warm in color & nice clarity. Sounds strange in wanting the warmer color but I like to be outside the box. It has been so long(8yrs & counting) since I was an graduated gemology & so much has changed in the industry... I don''t know where to begin.

I have found some nice stones through GOG, excel & dimendscaasi. Any suggestions on what I should look for to get a diamond that I will be happy with??
 
lxw ratio you like.
table under 65, depth under 70 crown height over 10%
The rest is pictures.
Nice light return? pretty patterns?

gog even does videos.

I would call them and have them see what they can find.
 
Date: 1/24/2009 3:16:50 PM
Author:razzie
Here is the situation... I want a 1.5-2.0 emerald cut with good cut, warm in color & nice clarity. Sounds strange in wanting the warmer color but I like to be outside the box. It has been so long(8yrs & counting) since I was an graduated gemology & so much has changed in the industry... I don't know where to begin.

I have found some nice stones through GOG, excel & dimendscaasi. Any suggestions on what I should look for to get a diamond that I will be happy with??
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Welcome Razzie!

When you say warm, how warm do you mean? Do you want a distinct tint to your diamond, a subtle tint, or a softer white diamond? It might be best to view some in person of similar size and lab grade ( GIA/ AGS) to get an idea of your colour tolerances, I would think maybe look at I or J colour to begin with if you want a soft white to very subtle tint, then go from there if you want more body colour, K/ L and so forth.
 
I''m not sure what you meant by warmth, I searched for I and J, but only the I''s looked like nice cuts. But I did find these four (Storm can crtique them further) that have potential from James Allen. They all have good spread.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Emerald-Diamond-1162433.asp (girdle is thin, but the pic is nice)

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-VS1-Premium-Cut-Emerald-Diamond-1119906.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-VS1-Premium-Cut-Emerald-Diamond-1106384.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Emerald-Diamond-1135178.asp (picture is weird as there is some kind of frame/ holder around the diamond. But I think this one is my favorite of this batch).
 
I don''t care for any of those 4.
middle 2 larger than optimal table.
First and last just a bit to much center leakage over the p3s.
If it was obstruction they might be ok but it strongly looks like leakage.
 
Okay so... link me to the P3 thing again??? I''m clearly out of practice with the picking of step cuts thing. LOL.

I do think the tables on the two middle ones are large, but I figured a sarin and some crown height information couldn''t hurt.
 
Date: 1/24/2009 5:12:23 PM
Author: Gypsy
Okay so... link me to the P3 thing again??? I''m clearly out of practice with the picking of step cuts thing. LOL.


I do think the tables on the two middle ones are large, but I figured a sarin and some crown height information couldn''t hurt.
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Your doing good, having studied a bunch of step cuts under JA''s photo setup allows me to see things it would otherwise take a IS or ASET to see.

http://journal.pricescope.com/Articles/60/1/Performance-and-the-p3-facets%2c-a-discussion-about-step-cut-diamonds.aspx
 
Thanks Storm. Very helpful.
 
Date: 1/24/2009 5:27:43 PM
Author: Gypsy
Thanks Storm. Very helpful.
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welcome
The thing with JA setup is obstruction is about 2x IS and overly harsh.
So the trick becomes figuring out how it will look in more real world obstruction.
Separating out leakage from obstruction is the first step and it is not easy.
IS makes it easy.
 
You all are so very helpful...
I like a ratio of 1.30-1.50 (i think)
I am hoping to hear back next week from gog on some more options.
The 1.57ctw they have is K but the depth & table are off from what
I think everyone is suggesting.

As far as warmth I am like K,L,M''s but not opposed to J''s.
I have seen these colors in action... & tho most want a colorless
grade I enjoy the different tones.
 
Problem is that with EC''s the numbers are more a way to rule out the bad, not to pick the good. They really need to be picked from pictures, IS and ASET.

The K diamonds I saw on Scaasi all had depths over 70, which is deep but doesn''t mean that it won''t be a nice diamonds, just means that they are going to face up smaller than they should for their weight.

If you want K,L,M then I would take Storm''s suggestion of contacting GOG. They have a good eye, and also would be able to rule out quite a few, and have good contacts to source what you want.

I would also follow up on the J from James Allen. The price is really good, and it''s got a lot going for it.
 

I will check out the J from JAllen. Thanks gyspy!


Answer me this tho...


I had a sales rep state that with the color gradings I am considering I have to put in yellow gold or I wont be happy. Does anyone else agree?

I want it in white gold!! If I wanted my diamond to look colorless or the setting to hide the color then I would go ahead with a colorless grade.My happiness lies on finding diamond that is beautiful to me! If I am looking for a sales rep calls beautiful & allow myself to be sold on what they think for whatever their reasons
are then I would be a fool & unhappy in the end.



 
I disagree. I've seen J and K's in white settings and loved the look. In fact I saw a huge Royal Asscher J in a beautiful three stone setting a while back loved it.

The sales person sounds like they are assuming you want the stone to look colorless. But you WANT the stone to stand out, then set it in white! YOU have to love it. Once you have the stone you can take it setting shopping with you and try it out next to different metals.

http://www.faycullen.com/engagement_rings/800/ed911r1d.html
 
What you want to do is on the different than usual side so there might be a communication issue with the sales rep.
By all means put it in white if that is what you want.
 
Razzie- I don;t think it''s strange wanting a warmer color Emerald Cut. We have had many clients who loved Emerald cuts with colors down to N.... even the lighter yellows like O-P, Q-R, S-T, U-V, W-X, and Y-Z.
These colors are not all that easy to find- but they can represent tremendous value.
I agree with Storm that photos are essential.
I''m going to add an alternative viewpoint.
I have seen many emerald cuts with tables larger than 65% that are beautifully cut. In lower colors especially, my experience is that opening up the table can give great life to a stone. It''s also possible that a more open table will help transmit the color in a lighter yellow diamond- a smaller table may de-accentuate the tint.
The smaller tables that Storm prefers can also be very attractive, but it''s a matter of taste.

In terms of the metal: Yellow will sometimes lend it''s color to the stone. If it''s got a little tint, the yellow gold prongs may accentuate the tint- but that does not mean that you can''t or shouldn''t use white metal. Again, this is personal preference.
We''ve done both yellow and white metal with lower colors. Both can look great if the stone is well cut.

 

EM1- one word "stunning"


Thank you everyone, I am just now waiting for some more specs & pictures before making a decision this week.

 
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