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IdLikeToBuyAVal

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My boyfriend and I started the engagement ring buying process about a month ago. I found pricescope and started researching like crazy and he started researching with me. We decided to purchase online through a recommended pricescope vendor and decided that he would choose the stone and I would choose the setting. I would see the diamond on the website and the setting on the website but I wouldn''t see the ring until the proposal. So far so good.

We order the ring on May 6th, the setting was going to take 2 weeks to ship, we completed the wire transfer on the 12th, the setting came in early and we got the ring shipped to us on Friday May 15th (which was perfect because his dad was visiting that weekend and would get to see the ring too).

May 15th, we get the ring. Andrew comes upstairs very upset and tells me there is a problem with the ring and he''d like to show it to me just so we could talk about what to do. There are multiple deep gouges in two of the prongs. One of the four prongs is out of place (slightly off center but not extremely noticeable) the opposite prong is bent near the base and is very noticeably out of place and crooked.

We contact the vendor, are met with some slight skepticism and are told we''ll need to send them pictures to see how we should proceed. We send pictures. They are horrified and we send it back at their expense. The gouges are buffed out, the prongs are straightened and they send us pictures to approve before they send it back. The two prongs are better but the worst one is now bent in the same place (near the base) but has been straightened so the top is roughly where it ought to be but it is still clearly crooked.

We talk to our salesperson again and tell her this, she''s very defensive and tells us "If you look at something through a loupe long enough, you''re bound to notice any minor flaw". We are upset, she says she''ll sent it back to the diamond setter to see if he can straighten it anymore. She sends more pictures and from the angle of the pictures, the prong still isn''t right. She is now very frustrated and tells us multiple people in the store have told her it looks fine. She says maybe it''s the angle of the pictures and she''ll send more. She does, and we agree that overall, from the pictures, it isn''t very noticeable anymore. The ring is shipped back and we get it on May 23rd. This is perfect because this time MY mom is visiting and she''ll get to see the ring too (albeit I won''t be wearing it because the proposal has still been postponed due to the ring issues).

We get the ring on Saturday. This time, we''re both going to look at the ring to make sure it''s right and everything is good. We get it, there''s a diamond missing from the pave down the band and the prong still isn''t quite right (it''s more obvious in person). We call the vendor, most concerned about the missing stone and are asked "Are you sure it isn''t in the box?" It isn''t in the box. We pull up the pictures from where they "fixed" the prongs and the diamond is missing in those photos (we didn''t even think to check the pave because it was perfect the first time it was sent). We just sent the ring back again on Tuesday, May 26th.

Andrew calls Wednesday (5/27) morning to make the arrangements for repairs/replacement, the salesperson is slightly put off to hear from him again and to hear there is another problem. At this point we are both concerned about the quality of the setting manufacturer but the vendor says they haven''t had any issues in the past. Eventually they decide they will send the setting back as a manufacturer''s defect and get a replacement in 3 weeks (free of charge).

At this point, we''re both very frustrated, our salesperson has been less than enthusiastic to hear from us or help us and if the stone wasn''t gorgeous I would probably just ask for a full refund and cancel the whole thing. The whole experience has been really disconcerting and negative and I don''t want to start my engagement off on such a...not so positive note. We had less difficulty buying a HOUSE six months ago!

My question is...how would YOU proceed??
 
Hmmmm.......that basically sucks.......so, on the positive side which is really the best alternative after all the efforts you and bf have already spent to get the ring as it should be.....it sounds like you are definitely keen on the diamond therefore you want to proceed with the current vendor, which I personally agree with, if for no other reason than you''ve come this far...

Some positves:
The vendor tried to "worm" their way out of a replacement but you and bf stuck to your guns and "won" a replacement at their expense.
You and BF acted in unison which bodes well for future "situational areas of opportunity" that undoubtedly will arise in a marriage.
You and BF will one day look back on the experience and realize you "held ground on principle" and the beautiful final ring will remind you constantlly...and as time goes on you will only see the beauty of the ring, not the purchase experience, and time does heal all wounds.
You learned which vendor not to use for future ring purchases...
Once the frustration wears off you will certainly realize that the feeling of "starting your engagement off on a negative" due to a shoddy vendor is a non applicable statement....from the outside looking in it sounds like you and bf are on the same wavelength regarding views and working in tandem....it can only mean a rosy future for you two.

Best of luck....I''d ride it out.....

PS: If that replacement ring comes back wrong unleash full fury!!! (i.e. demand full refund!)

 
I think I''d keep the stone, get a refund on the setting, and have the stone set locally so you can deal with future issues more easily. These are problems you could have anywhere, but I wouldn''t want to have to keep sending my ring off for repairs.
 
Thanks for the responses Diamondseeker & Rickster. It''s a monstrous post but I appreciate that you took the time to read it :)

I''m not here to bash a vendor, I''m not here to bash a salesperson. I think everyone all around is frustrated and the vendor is spending $25 a pop sending the stupid ring back and forth.

I''ve been near tears for two days whenever I''ve been thinking about this whole mess. Andrew''s birthday is coming up, we''ve got a ton of family & work events coming up and we''re both already a little stressed out. We''ve tried to be very level-headed in what we''ve asked of the vendor and we''ve tried to be reasonable and explain ourselves and our side very objectively to the salespeople we''ve talked to.

This all started out a very positive experience and I just hate that Andrew and I are upset, the salespeople are upset and now everyone has to wait an additional 3 weeks for a new setting and to get this thing over with. We''ve been toying with the idea of keeping the stone or canceling the whole thing and starting over in a couple of months.

I just honestly have no idea what to do.

We''ve never bought a diamond like this so we thought those of you who had could chime in and tell us what you think.
 
I wouldn't reward this with the sale of diamond or anything else. I would tell them to send you a fed ex prepaid package and send it back to them at their cost and tell them you expect a full refund, including your shipping.

Nope. Not acceptable. And it doesn't matter what vendor this is to me. Unacceptable. THE ONLY way I would keep the stone is if it was a fancy. If that's a round. Return it. We'll you something as nice.
 
I''ll try to post some pictures of the damaged ring (both times). I don''t think we''re expecting too much but again, we don''t do this every day.

These are the gouges that were buffed out:

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Bent prong:

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This is after they straightened the prong that was bent toward the base. It IS a weird angle but even from this angle it looked better than when we originally got it.

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After they fixed the prongs, we got it back and a stone was missing from the pave. Here is a picture they sent before it was sent back and we discovered the stone was missing. It''s hard to see but in person it was glaring. The band is so sparkly that the stone missing on top really stood out:

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That''s such a strange angle that I can''t tell if the head is on straight or not. But since you found a stone you love, I''d just keep it and deal with the setting locally. Please let us see it when finished! Good luck!
 
Finally, a shot from the top. The stone is 1.05 VS2 H&A, the band is a very thin 1.7 MM pave:

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Date: 5/28/2009 10:28:53 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
I think I''d keep the stone, get a refund on the setting, and have the stone set locally so you can deal with future issues more easily. These are problems you could have anywhere, but I wouldn''t want to have to keep sending my ring off for repairs.
I agree with diamondseeker. If you love the diamond, keep it, but cancel the replacement setting. The vendor did not send you the ring you expected on two occasions now. If they won''t work with you willingly, it''s not worth the stress to keep dealing with them.
 
Thanks for the encouragement :) I''ll definitely post whenever & however this is resolved. I feel a little better just getting some additional opinions on everything.

I do love the stone, the "J" is brighter than some F''s & G''s we saw in person at the mall stores before we found pricescope. I''m just very torn about the process...
 
Thanks Marian.

I can''t help but have this sinking feeling that it''s going to be wrong again and I''m going to be crushed all over again. I''m not even a romantic really!! I''m a realist and this is just a ring, it''s not life or death and it certainly isn''t a necessity, which is why we bought the house first!!
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Even though I reccomend finishing the process cos your almost there I certainly understand the prior opinions on demanding refund and starting over. I just think if you can get perfection in three weeks, well, that is better than starting over. Even with your busy schedule it sounds like your basically done and just in a waiting game now,

BTW, that is a really pretty ring for sure.....and those gouges and such were glaring, no doubt. Cant believe they tried to weasel their way out of fixing the problem...and I agree, they should pay all shipping.
 
Date: 5/28/2009 11:47:39 PM
Author: IdLikeToBuyAVal
Thanks Marian.

I can''t help but have this sinking feeling that it''s going to be wrong again and I''m going to be crushed all over again. I''m not even a romantic really!! I''m a realist and this is just a ring, it''s not life or death and it certainly isn''t a necessity, which is why we bought the house first!!
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This is your engagement ring! You want things to go smoothly. There''s nothing wrong with that. Perhaps, if your vendor was saying that they would do whatever is necessary to make this right for you, it would be a different experience. Do what you think will be most comfortable for you going forward, IMO.
 
I wouldn''t settle for that! Return the setting and start again with another jeweller. It doesn''t and shouldn''t have to be that hard!
 
Date: 5/28/2009 11:47:39 PM
Author: IdLikeToBuyAVal
Thanks Marian.


I can''t help but have this sinking feeling that it''s going to be wrong again and I''m going to be crushed all over again. I''m not even a romantic really!! I''m a realist and this is just a ring, it''s not life or death and it certainly isn''t a necessity, which is why we bought the house first!!
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Greetings ILTBA,

Saw your post, sympathize with you 110% and recognize the photographs. This is from us and I certainly don''t mind stepping up to the plate. The manufacturer who makes this ring for us, we never do have these issues with. If we did we would cease to carry their line. I sincerely apologize for any grief this has caused and am glad to see my associate took action by replacing the ring for you and also covered all expenses in getting it to us etc. Unfortunately the time element is out of my control (how long it takes to make) otherwise I would have that done for you in a day if it was in my power but rest assured when that ring comes back I will inspect it personally and if it isn''t a ring I would put on my own wife''s finger I will not send it to you and would recommend MYSELF a refund + for your inconvenience. We have not gained our reputation by doing the wrong thing by people and I have no intentions on changing how we operate. We make every effort to accommodate our clients and make this process as painless and easy as possible and you are no exception. If there is anything you would like to direct to my attention personally write an email to my attention and I''ll respond personally to your concerns within a 24 hour period. I am here for your service. Also, I thank you kindly for sharing in the tactful manner that you did. Your post demonstrates to me your class.

With kind regards,
Jonathan
 
That is a beautiful stone. I wouldn''t start over. Jonathan has given you his word that it will be corrected and he''s got a good rep on this site from what I''ve read. It''s hard to wait, though, I know -- but you''re almost there!
 
Thank you for the reply, Jonathan, we really appreciate your response & assurance. Good Old Gold has such a great reputation on this forum which is why we wanted to purchase from you. Your website is wonderful and the video you made for us was amazing. We can easily see why you have the stellar reputation you have and why pricescopers think so much of you.

We do want to stick this out and get the ring despite the issues. Again, I wasn''t hoping to bash Good Old Gold (the initial buying experience was everything we could have hoped for), I just wanted some objective advice from people who had maybe dealt with some issues like this before and had an outsider''s perspective on the situation.

We both really appreciate your concern and we''ll follow up with you later off the boards.

Many thanks again,

Valerie & Andrew
 
Well, I also have a diamond from GOG, and I have the greatest confidence in their desire to make the customer satisfied! I''m glad I said in my earlier post that I''d keep the diamond! But now I would have to say that I would give Jonathan the chance to get the ring right this time. He just doesn''t personally see every completed ring that goes out the door. In fact, the flaws on the images we see on here can be easily overlooked when looking at a regular viewing distance, so I can see how it can happen on occasion. Your setting is really beautiful, so I hope it turns out well this time!
 
That was our thought when we got the ring and it was initially damaged, it''s easy to overlook, Andrew thought the gouges initially were lint or something on the prongs. He was showing the ring to his dad when he found them. I just hated when he came upstairs and had "that look" that something was wrong.

Thanks for the compliment on the ring
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We made a little twosome design team and worked pretty well together
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When we started considering rings about a year ago I was convinced I wanted a three stone princess. THEN I bought my RHR as a little present to myself and I''ve been in love with rounds & pave ever since!
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Date: 5/29/2009 9:07:24 PM
Author: IdLikeToBuyAVal
That was our thought when we got the ring and it was initially damaged, it''s easy to overlook, Andrew thought the gouges initially were lint or something on the prongs. He was showing the ring to his dad when he found them. I just hated when he came upstairs and had ''that look'' that something was wrong.

Thanks for the compliment on the ring
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We made a little twosome design team and worked pretty well together
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When we started considering rings about a year ago I was convinced I wanted a three stone princess. THEN I bought my RHR as a little present to myself and I''ve been in love with rounds & pave ever since!
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Well, I think that is an elegant and classic look that will be beautiful and in style forever...so very good choice!
 
I just wanted to say that I've been around PS a long time and I think that Val/Andrew have handled this legitimate concern with some serious grace and class...which was in turn echoed by Jonathan/Rhino at GOG. It's really nice to see this kind of diplomacy and benefit of the doubt, and I think represents the best of our community here. Frustrations are totally normal and expected, but how lovely to see them handled like this. Kudos, folks.
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ETA: It's going to be STUNNING!
 
Thank you again EVERYONE for the replies (ESPECIALLY you, Jonathan!). Your responses helped us calm down and we really appreciate the input. Andrew got a call this morning from Vicki at Good Old Gold and our new setting is in, the diamond is reset, and they are shipping it to us to be here tomorrow morning.

We are very anxious so Andrew is going to stay at home tomorrow morning to sign for it. Darren sent Andrew photos and they look gorgeous. We have our fingers crossed and we''re cautiously optimistic (but trying not to get too excited at the same time!).

Vicki has been great in getting us the paperwork and shipping labels when we''ve had to send it back and forth and Darren has always responded to our emails VERY quickly. Please wish us luck that this works out tomorrow!
 
I can''t wait to see your ring! I''m sure everything will be perfect this time.
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GOG has shown itself to be a class act! I hope it is perfect and please post pics!
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Good news!!!

We got the ring and the setting is beautiful and PERFECT this time! All prongs are perfectly straight, no gouges, all the stones sparkling and bright. Thanks especially to Jonathan for making sure it was right, and to Vicki for always being prompt & patient with the shipping information and labels. The setting arrived almost a full week earlier than expected and is exactly what we hoped for when we ordered it.

Here are a few pictures from GOG of the new ring (no hand shots until Andrew officially proposes
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H&A shot...

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Side view...

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