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romwarrior88

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I just bought this semi-mount and am now in the process of seeking out a diamond for it. Since it is square, I''m thinking I should stick with a square cut. I could go radiant or asscher to match the shape the closest. Or maybe even a princess. The diamond will sit above the square. I''ve heard that the radiant is not as brilliant as the princess. Is this true?

The ring is platinum, with .32 carats in pave diamonds all around (five on each side of the ring, and 16 on the square around the setting). I have attached a picture (forgive me for not knowing how to properly photograph jewelry).

I''m looking for any and all opinions. Thanks in advance!

-RW

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This is a view that is level with the mounting, but angled to the side. Again, sorry for the bad photography!!

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Hi,

The mounting is designed for a round center.

It could also work with a square.

Princess cuts are brighter than radiant cuts.

Round brilliant cut is the brightest cut.
 
I think a cushion would also work.
 
Thanks for your input. So am I hearing a luke-warm reception to a radiant? Is it not a good idea to try to match the shape of the ring? Or are you just not a big fan of the cut? I do notice that most of the rings in the B&M stores are either rounds or princess cuts. Not many radiants. Is this because the princess is more brilliant? I guess I just thought a radiant would match the ring better and would make it a bit more unique. Is it common to put a round stone in a square ring?
 
I'm not usually a fan of round stones, but IMHO a round would look best in this setting. I personally don't like radiants because of the cut glass look and lack of a center, but Nicrez has the most beautiful radiant I've seen: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/the-little-radiant-that-could.13996/

I went with a princess because I LOVE the square look, but for your setting my choice would be a round
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On 6/28/2004 6:26:09 PM romwarrior88 wrote:

I do notice that most of the rings in the B&M stores are either rounds or princess cuts. Not many radiants. Is this because the princess is more brilliant? ----------------
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B & Ms feature mainly rounds and princesses (stones, that is) because they are the most popular (requested by consumers). In fact, round is No. 1 and princess is No. 2 in popularity.

I agree that for your ring, go with a round stone. In fact, I think the contrast of shapes--a round-cut stone in a square-shaped basket--will be fresh-looking, the best looking, and the most unique for that setting.
 
How interesting. Thanks for the good info. Now I have to start researching rounds. I found this one online with the following specs:

Report: GIA
Shape: Round Ideal Cut
Carat: 1.22
Color: H
Clarity: VS1
Depth: 60.9
Table: 57
Crown Angle: 34.9
Crown %: 15.3
Pavilion Angle: 41
Pavilion %: 43.3
Girdle: Thin to Medium Faceted
Polish: Good
Symmetry: Excellent
Culet: None
Fluorescence: No
Measurements: 6.92-6.95X4.22

I have no idea how to read an ideal scope image. Here is the actual image for the above diamond. What do you guys think?

Again, I really appreciate all your input!!!

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I know very little about RB's so I shouldn't really respond, but I wanted to say you should see what size stone your setting will hold. There were several settings I was interested in, but none would hold my stone. In fact, I ended up having to get a semi-custom setting just so it would fit!
 
When I bought the ring they told it would hold a stone up to 1.5 carats in size. Since they will be the one to set the stone, I assumed they knew what they were talking about. I wonder if the fact that the stone will sit above the basket(?) means it can be larger? I must say that I have been concerned about that since the four prongs of the setting are quite close. Any jewelers out there care to make an educated guess? That would sure mess things up if the stone was too big!!!
 
After the question about whether my stone would fit, I decided to measure the prongs of the setting as it currently is. The prongs are 5mm apart right now. With a stone just under 7mm such as the one listed above, I assume that a 1mm difference is OK. Most settings I've seen have the prongs tilted out. Again, any jewelers out there care to take a guess? I won't hold you to it...
 
That setting will look so good with a round stone. I love the look of a round stone in a squared setting - it's a nice compromise if you like the overall square shape but want the brilliance of a round stone.
 
When you were told 1.5 cts, was it for a round stone or a square? The reason I ask is rounds face up much bigger. Also, the size of the stone may determine how high it sits in the setting. Just something to consider!
 
To be honest, it wasn't specified. But judging from the salesperson, she was referring to a round cut. Almost everything she showed me was round and I think she would assume round unless I specified otherwise. I should definitely make sure though.

Does anyone know how to read ideal scope images? I would love to have some input on the image posted above!!

Thanks again!!!
 
Thanks for the link. I didn't notice that before.

Well I'm glad I posted here. I think you guys are right. After looking at my setting that close, it does appear to be round and I think it will look most appropriate. I am leaning towards that diamond above as it is an ideal cut and gets a 2.2 on the HCA. Is that pretty decent? I think knowing the cut is good and seeing that the ideal scope image is fairly good means that that stone is worth it?

Would love to hear opinions on the stone...

Thanks again!!
 
I think that you need to take the setting to a professional so that they can tell you exactly what mm size stone will fit...otherwise, you may buy a stone that doesn't work...!!!!
 
OK, now that you've all made me paranoid (which I DO appreciate though), I have called and made an appointment with the jeweler for this Friday. This way he'll be able to tell me exactly what can and can't be done. Then once I know for sure what size stone I can fit in there I can narrow it down. Thanks again for all your insights...
 
Sorry we made you paranoid! But it's better to be safe than sorry, right?
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Ok, so I met with the jeweler of the store I purchased from. He said that without any modification it would only hold .75 carats. But he did say they could replace the prongs with longer ones to hold a larger stone, obviously for a small fee ($300-$400). I assume that since the ring will be guaranteed (even against the stone falling out), that I should be OK with that? My concern is that I'm trying to fit a stone that is too big for the setting and it is just going to look awkward.

Oh, and here's one bit of information I just found out tonight, after talking to the jeweler: MY GIRLFRIEND DOES NOT LIKE ROUND CUTS!!!! Thank God I found out before buying the stone, but man does this take me back to square one. She likes the squares only: Princess or radiant.

I personally think a princess might look a bit strange in that setting because the shapes will be so close but not exact - almost like I was trying to match the shape but didn't quite succeed. I personally feel that a radiant would look better than a princess because it matches the setting better. Anyone have an opinion on that?

I know that princesses are generally more brilliant than radiants, but my GF seems to focus more on shapes and the setting than the brilliance of the stone. Not that she doesn't care about brilliance, just that the shape is what she notices first. Then color. Then size. Knowing all of this I think a radiant may fit the bill. Of course I always like to read what ANYONE has to say...

-RW
 
Well, Rom, a few questions.




Many women don't like a round *solitaire*, because the appearance of the WHOLE RING is round and they want something different.




However, this ring will still give the appearance of a square ring even with a round center stone, so she may like that. Hard to know without asking her.




I personally don't believe this setting would look good with other than a round stone.....the setting is clearly made to house a round stone. Others have said "it will work", but I'm not sure that translate to "it will look good".



If you cannot show her the setting first, it kinda leaves you with getting a non-round stone, and in that case, I'd find an alternate setting. That's just my two cents.......you have to do what YOU are most comfortable with.
 
aljdewey,

You may be right about why some women don't like round stones, but since she has now specifically told me twice "I do not like round diamonds", I could not possibly go with round.

As far as showing her the setting, she is actually the one who picked it out and told me all about it. Unfortunately I don't think she realized that it is only for a round stone and I don't want to let her know about anything I'm doing.

I'm beginning to think that you are right in that I may have to find a different setting. All the jewelers keep telling me it can be done but that it requires modifying the ring which makes me uneasy thinking about it. Maybe I need to look for a pave style ring designed for a 1-1.25 princess and just go with that.

Aaargh!!! This is insane. Oh well, it's worth it to make her happy and be sure I'm proud of the ring I give her. But man, it's never quite as easy as you think unless you just want to spend the extra $4000 and buy a ready to go ring from a local store.

Thanks again for all your help!!

-RW
 
I think you're on the right track with getting the stone she wants and finding another setting. There's a great link with lots of setting options--maybe you can find one that comes close to the one she chose, but will hold the right cut and size stone!

http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/designermain.asp
 
Thanks researcher for the link. Lots of great rings there. This one is very similar to one she looked at last night and really liked. At almost $5k without the center stone, it is a bit out of my price range but is quite nice. The one from last night used four small princess cuts to appear as one large center stone. Interesting way to go if you are on a tight budget...

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You can always have a custom setting made to look like the one you want. I worked with Denise and Brian from White Flash for my diamond and setting, and they were amazing!
 
aljdewey,

You were right all along. We stopped by Robbins Bros on Saturday just so I could get a better idea of her likes and dislikes. Her fave ring of the day was this ring, a square pave solitaire WITH A ROUND STONE!!! She said exactly what you were saying. Of course, at almost $5k for the ring alone it is a bit out of my price range, not to mention that they only stock the white gold version and it would take 4-10 weeks to order it in platinum.

But the good news is that I can go forward with the ring I purchased because it was her first choice anyway. The jeweler has already told me a 1c round stone will work (not bigger, though). That's OK, because now I can focus on getting the most brilliant round that I can find.

-RW
 
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