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GIA 1.35CT G VS1 H&A TripleExcellent (No Fluorescence)

As a first engagement ring, how happy would you be with this diamond? (10 being the happiest)? I want this diamond to be a stunner so I won''t have to upgrade anytime soon.
 
Date: 3/24/2008 5:53:04 PM
Author:americanhero
GIA 1.35CT G VS1 H&A TripleExcellent (No Fluorescence)

As a first engagement ring, how happy would you be with this diamond? (10 being the happiest)? I want this diamond to be a stunner so I won''t have to upgrade anytime soon.
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It could be good, but we need more than that because many GIA h&A''s so called are steep deep and not really good H&A''s.

I prefer fluoro in H
 
The stone certainly has potential. In general, if it''s quite well cut, I think it would be wonderful.

I''d want to see a bit more data or perhaps IS images to know that it''s really a well-cut stone; GIA''s range of "Excellent" is quite broad/lenient.
 
i was told that since it was a H&A that meant it was a perfectly symmetrical diamond...also, since it is a triple excellent the table/diameter % were proportional.

i just don''t know if i should sacrifice in color/clarity to go up in size. thoughts?
 
You need more info than just GIA Triple Excellent to know if it''s really a great cut or not. 1.35 is a very nice size. Color/clarity is SUCH a personal preference. I would drop color to maybe H or I and clarity to VS2 or SI1 and go bigger if it were ME (........wait, if it were ME I''d drop to J/SI2 and get EVEN bigger
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what more information do you need? sorry i don''t have a copy of they GIA report handy so i don''t remember anything other information...


also, i just want the diamond to catch someone''s eye across the room (extremely shiny, brilliant, etc)...and i know color/clarity affect that...as well as cut. so in my thinking, to go up in size but sacrifice in color/clarity would be going against that...am i right?
 
Table, depth, crown angle & pavilion angle would help a lot. These are some of the criteria that will determine performance. Color/clarity will not (.......well, I guess something like an I3 might be a problem.) effect performance. I'd take a well cut 1ct J/SI2 over a 1.5ct poorly cut D/IF any day. Just as I'd take a larger well cut J/SI2 over another well cut higher color/clarity. But that's certainly not to say that everyone would be pleased by lower color/clarity. I think G/H and VS2/SI1 is safe for many people. So to me you still have some wiggle room on color/clarity IF you're thinking you might want to go a bit larger. I got the impression from your post when you said you don't want to upgrade anytime soon that you may be considering going a big larger. G VS1 is a gorgeous combo. Just a little higher clarity than I would pay for PERSONALLY, and wiggle room in both departments for some people.
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As for cut, triple ex is certainly a good starting point, but doesn't in and of itself guarantee "the" bestcut possible. If you can get the #'s we can get a better idea of how well it's cut.
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as for color...how does a G compare to other levels of color? will it be icy clear? or will there be a tiny amount of yellowness to it? i want it to be as brilliant and colorless as possible, but d/e are very expensive. will a g suffice my pickiness for color? or should i move up to an F? i keep seeing the words "color-sensitive" thrown out there...what does that mean? supposedly a color-sensitive person can see color in a G-rated diamond?
 
I honestly can''t recall hearing of a person being color sensitive to a G. I''ve heard H, and certainly I-J-K, but I personally can''t recall an aversion to G. There are certainly those who prefer D-E-F, but I can''t imagine an obvious difference between accurately graded F and G stones. My best friend has a G and it looks VERY WHITE to me. It''s a very pretty stone, but my K (yes, K
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) outperforms her G. Color and brillance are mutually exclusive. Cut will determine brillance. A well cut G will be BRILLANT thanks to cut and WHITE thanks to the color.
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Date: 3/24/2008 9:55:36 PM
Author: Jenn5504
I honestly can''t recall hearing of a person being color sensitive to a G. I''ve heard H, and certainly I-J-K, but I personally can''t recall an aversion to G. There are certainly those who prefer D-E-F, but I can''t imagine an obvious difference between accurately graded F and G stones. My best friend has a G and it looks VERY WHITE to me. It''s a very pretty stone, but my K (yes, K
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) outperforms her G. Color and brillance are mutually exclusive. Cut will determine brillance. A well cut G will be BRILLANT thanks to cut and WHITE thanks to the color.
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that answers my question! thanks
 
Date: 3/24/2008 5:53:04 PM
Author:americanhero
GIA 1.35CT G VS1 H&A TripleExcellent (No Fluorescence)


As a first engagement ring, how happy would you be with this diamond? (10 being the happiest)? I want this diamond to be a stunner so I won''t have to upgrade anytime soon.
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i need more reassurance as i am about to throw down a good amount of money for this diamond! what do you all think about it with information given?
 
Without any of the other numbers that others have asked for, no one can reassure you about this diamond. There is not enough info! Reread some of the tutorial about cut characteristics, then see if you can get some of the numbers from the vendor.

I have a G colour and due to the great cut, I certainly feel comfortable dropping to a J on my next diamond. (Only with an equally great cut, ofcourse!)

Your stone sounds likely to be beautiful, did you see it? Did you like it?
 
Americanhero, I think you ought to get the additional information before you buy it and post it here for the experts. I will tell you anecdotally that I when we were looking at diamonds, I knew that I wanted a stone that was I or better. We narrowed down our search to two: a "D" and a "H". They were both essentially the same carat weight and the price difference was only $100.00 either way. I picked the "H". Why? Because a TRUE "H" is white as can be, and when you have two white diamonds, the one that is going to stand out is the one that has the best cut. The "H" had the "D" lapped in cut. If you want the diamond to sparkle from across the room, then what you want is the cut to be excellent. If you have a TRUE "G", then I defy anyone but a diamond expert to tell upon looking at it whether it is an F, a G, or an I. Only a trained expert can look at a diamond and tell color. But anyone can tell a diamond that is cut well b/c it will sparkle like crazy if it is. Have you seen the diamond in person? If you have but you aren''t sure what you are looking for, then I think based on what you wrote, you would do well to post the angle information the experts are asking for. Then, and only then, will you know if you are getting a diamond that will do what you want it to do, even sight unseen.
 
Date: 3/24/2008 7:32:18 PM
Author: americanhero
what more information do you need? sorry i don''t have a copy of they GIA report handy so i don''t remember anything other information...


also, i just want the diamond to catch someone''s eye across the room (extremely shiny, brilliant, etc)...and i know color/clarity affect that...as well as cut. so in my thinking, to go up in size but sacrifice in color/clarity would be going against that...am i right?
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Nope, not "as well as cut".., but Cut IS the number 1 factor that affects the way the stone will throw fire etc, then colour and (imho) clarity are second and third to cut. And no, going up in size but sacrificing one level of colour or clarity will not affect the brilliance of your stone. Infact will probably increase it as will have more spread.
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Also G colour is certainly not "sacrificing", G VS1 is considered a great "sweet spot" for many people for an ering.

I don''t think you will get many more specific answers on ur stone you''re considering until you can post the details that have been requested - it is very hard to Seriously consider the specs of an RB without these angles provided. Also if you can get an ASET image even better.
If you don''t have them on hand, just email your vendor, they shouldn''t have a problem in getting the info to you
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Sorry, did I miss which vendor you''re buying this from, as some will have the info listed on the diamonds web page...
 
here are the numbers:

GIA Round Brilliant
Measurements: 7.07 - 7.13 x 4.40 mm
Carat Weight: 1.35
Color Grade: G
Clarity Grade: VS1
Cut Grade: Excellent

Proportions:
Depth: 62.0 %
Table: 58 %
Crown Angle: 35.5°
Crown Height: 15 %
Pavilion Angle: 41.2°
Pavilion Depth: 43.5 %
Star length: 50 %
Lower Half: 80 %
Girdle: Thin to Medium, Faceted
Culet: None


Finish:
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None


Additional Inscription: H & A


what do you all think?
 

You can use this tool to weed out bad performing stones https://www.pricescope.com/cutadviser.asp


Here is how it did


Factor Grade
Light Return Good
Fire Good
Scintillation Good
Spread
or diameter for weight Very Good
Total Visual Performance 4.5 - Good - Only if price is your main criterion

You also might want to read this link about Heats and Arrows as they are not always true H&A''s https://www.pricescope.com/hearts_phony.asp

 
when i put in the numbers for the holloway cut adviser, i am only getting "good" for all 3 categories, and very good for light spread. for such an expensive diamond, why is it only coming out good? it is my understanding that this diamond is very beautiful. i''ve seen it and it looks great, but is this adviser saying there is a better "cut" diamond in this size? i am very surpised and disappointed.
 
so is this stone not worth buying? i already put a deposit on it, and i want the best cut stone for my money...right now i am very disappointed and don't know if i should cancel the order. i want this stone to look beautiful...how will this stone compare? "good" is obviously not "Excellent"

is this advisor just a reference? could it be wrong because of the diamond size or any other information? i don't feel like this diamond should be rated as only good...


GIA rated this stone as an excellent cut...i expected it to be excellent.
 
Date: 3/26/2008 1:18:46 PM
Author: americanhero
so is this stone not worth buying? i already put a deposit on it, and i want the best cut stone for my money...right now i am very disappointed and don''t know if i should cancel the order. i want this stone to look beautiful...how will this stone compare? ''good'' is obviously not ''Excellent''

is this advisor just a reference? could it be wrong because of the diamond size or any other information? i don''t feel like this diamond should be rated as only good...


GIA rated this stone as an excellent cut...i expected it to be excellent.
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It is what we call a steep/deep. Search that term and you''ll learn what that means in depth. Short version, possibly leaky to very leaky diamond. You can do better. I''d pass.

GIA''s EX range is wider than most prefer. Ideally, you want a stone that falls in the overlap area of GIA/AGS range on the HCA, or close to.
 
Date: 3/26/2008 1:09:52 PM
Author: Skippy123



You can use this tool to weed out bad performing stones https://www.pricescope.com/cutadviser.asp





Here is how it did





Factor Grade
Light Return Good
Fire Good
Scintillation Good
Spread
or diameter for weight Very Good
Total Visual Performance 4.5 - Good - Only if price is your main criterion



You also might want to read this link about Heats and Arrows as they are not always true H&A's https://www.pricescope.com/hearts_phony.asp

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Based on this, and the angles/percentages you posted, I'd pass on the diamond. If you want one that sparkles accross the room, try to find one that scores between 1 and 2 on the cut advisor. Try a search for "ideal angles for round brilliant" or something and you will find the specs you want.

ETA: Here are some guidelines that should maximize performance (borrowed from MrsSalvo, thanks!)

table: 54-57%

depth: 60-62%


crown angle: 34-35


pavilion angle: 40.6 to 41.0


girdle: thin, medium, or slightly thick

DD
 
americanhero, you can do better. Pass on this stone. You''ve found Pricescope, you now have the resources to find the cream of the crop as far as cut goes, so use this knowledge and get THE best.
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Date: 3/26/2008 1:18:46 PM
Author: americanhero
so is this stone not worth buying? i already put a deposit on it, and i want the best cut stone for my money...right now i am very disappointed and don''t know if i should cancel the order. i want this stone to look beautiful...how will this stone compare? ''good'' is obviously not ''Excellent''

is this advisor just a reference? could it be wrong because of the diamond size or any other information? i don''t feel like this diamond should be rated as only good...


GIA rated this stone as an excellent cut...i expected it to be excellent.
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GIA says it is excellent, but people on PS have very tough standards for cut. You don''t have to go by the PS standards, but if you want to, you can find a diamond that will knock your socks off.

DD
 
I''m sorry this diamond doesn''t seem to be as well-cut as you might have hoped.

I can''t see anywhere that you have given an idea of your budget, as we could post some alternatives for you to look at if we know what sort of money you are looking to spend.

For example, I found this stone at Whiteflash, which is part of their A Cut Above range (awesome cuts!):

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-636635.htm

1.203cts, H SI1 H&A, $7320 before PS discount... but I don''t know if this fits within your budget.


x x x
 
Date: 3/26/2008 1:23:54 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 3/26/2008 1:18:46 PM
Author: americanhero
so is this stone not worth buying? i already put a deposit on it, and i want the best cut stone for my money...right now i am very disappointed and don''t know if i should cancel the order. i want this stone to look beautiful...how will this stone compare? ''good'' is obviously not ''Excellent''

is this advisor just a reference? could it be wrong because of the diamond size or any other information? i don''t feel like this diamond should be rated as only good...


GIA rated this stone as an excellent cut...i expected it to be excellent.
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It is what we call a steep/deep. Search that term and you''ll learn what that means in depth. Short version, possibly leaky to very leaky diamond. You can do better. I''d pass.

GIA''s EX range is wider than most prefer. Ideally, you want a stone that falls in the overlap area of GIA/AGS range on the HCA, or close to.
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Ditto Ellen''s advice, personally I would pass on this diamond.
 
would i really be able to tell the difference between a steep/deep diamond and a well-cut? or is it all in theory?
 
Date: 3/26/2008 2:00:04 PM
Author: americanhero
would i really be able to tell the difference between a steep/deep diamond and a well-cut? or is it all in theory?
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Once you get it away from the jewelers lights, most likely. A well cut diamond will look good no matter what lighting it is in, a notsohot won't.

Have you seen any really well cut stones, like Hearts on Fire?

p.s. Even the real experts would most likely tell you to pass on this.
 
Date: 3/26/2008 2:00:04 PM
Author: americanhero
would i really be able to tell the difference between a steep/deep diamond and a well-cut? or is it all in theory?
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I really would trust Ellen's & Lorelei's opinions here and pass on this stone.

For a more visual explanation of what can happen with steep/deep, have a look at this:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/4Cs/Cut/Proportions/

x x x
 
classic steep/deep cut for weight, GIA was nutz for allowing this combo in EX.
The difference will be visible in some lighting.
Pass and move on.
 
Date: 3/26/2008 2:00:04 PM
Author: americanhero
would i really be able to tell the difference between a steep/deep diamond and a well-cut? or is it all in theory?
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An informal survey comparing "steep/deep" with other diamonds
 
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