Need Help with princess cut aset image

[elev8melater]

Looking at possibly purchasing this princess cut E color 2.51 vs2. What do you think of this ASET image. Thanks everyone for their expertise.

 

[JulieN]

It is ok. Not terrible and not great.

 

[Diamond_Hawk]

Hello. It's your lucky day. I happen to be sitting with a group including Peter Yantzer of AGS Lab, who headed the team that developed the ASET.

I handed him my phone and he assessed this princess ASET - yes, indeed, Peter Yantzer just gave you his own personal opinion on this ASET - he assesed it as having very nice cut precision, which is good for visible dispersion and scintillation. The red is good. There is indeed a lot of green by comparison to the best AGS0 princess cuts. But he estimates it to be in the top 10% if compared to production diamonds that make AGS0 and the top 3% if you were looking in average commercial jewelry stores.

Its like you have asked how to properly use the force and Yoda shows up to answer.

 

[elev8melater]

Thanks for the helpful replies! Much appreciated!

 

[proto]

I have seen asets which contain much more red all over the princess cut to be honest, but not sure what budget you are trying to stay within. The links below are examples of excellent ASET images for princess cuts in my opinion.

Solasfera princess cuts look insane in general and on ASET. [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/solasfera-vs-regular-princess-cut-vs-princess-of-hearts.177653/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/solasfera-vs-regular-princess-cut-vs-princess-of-hearts.177653/[/URL] for some example ASETS from previous ones. GoodOldGold can source you one if you ask.

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/files/diamond_images/aset/thumb/large/AGS_104070929002_ASET.jpg Brian Gavin also does some excellent princess cuts, but they do not seem to have your size/colour spec in stock right now. May we worth giving them a call to see if they would find one/cut one for you.

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut-loose-diamond-3035388.htm Whiteflash also have some nice Princess cuts which I consider to be a superior ASET to the one you posted.

 

[Lorelei]

Hello. It's your lucky day. I happen to be sitting with a group including Peter Yantzer of AGS Lab, who headed the team that developed the ASET.

I handed him my phone and he assessed this princess ASET - yes, indeed, Peter Yantzer just gave you his own personal opinion on this ASET - he assesed it as having very nice cut precision, which is good for visible dispersion and scintillation. The red is good. There is indeed a lot of green by comparison to the best AGS0 princess cuts. But he estimates it to be in the top 10% if compared to production diamonds that make AGS0 and the top 3% if you were looking in average commercial jewelry stores.

Its like you have asked how to properly use the force and Yoda shows up to answer.

How cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for that Hawk, I hope you had a great time at JCK!

 

[OoohShiny]

Hello. It's your lucky day. I happen to be sitting with a group including Peter Yantzer of AGS Lab, who headed the team that developed the ASET.

I handed him my phone and he assessed this princess ASET - yes, indeed, Peter Yantzer just gave you his own personal opinion on this ASET - he assesed it as having very nice cut precision, which is good for visible dispersion and scintillation. The red is good. There is indeed a lot of green by comparison to the best AGS0 princess cuts. But he estimates it to be in the top 10% if compared to production diamonds that make AGS0 and the top 3% if you were looking in average commercial jewelry stores.

Its like you have asked how to properly use the force and Yoda shows up to answer.

How cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for that Hawk, I hope you had a great time at JCK!

That is pretty awesome

 

[Diamond_Hawk]

I have seen asets which contain much more red all over the princess cut to be honest

Of course. Experienced sellers in this medium (esp PS) source or produce diamonds that meet the community’s requirements at a level that’s galaxies beyond the average princess, which isn’t held to any kind of cut requirements. If you take the average output of PCs worldwide you’ll find that very, very few look this good.

It’s why Yoda qualified his comments two ways. First, relative to princess cuts trying to be jedi-cut (like the best seen here). And second relative to the general masses. If you walk store to store in real life you’ll be hard pressed to find this level of precision and quality. You’ll find it much more commonly among sellers who enforce cut-quality standards rigorously.

 

[Lorelei]

I have seen asets which contain much more red all over the princess cut to be honest

Of course. Experienced sellers in this medium (esp PS) source or produce diamonds that meet the community’s requirements at a level that’s galaxies beyond the average princess, which isn’t held to any kind of cut requirements. If you take the average output of PCs worldwide you’ll find that very, very few look this good.

It’s why Yoda qualified his comments two ways. First, relative to princess cuts trying to be jedi-cut (like the best seen here). And second relative to the general masses. If you walk store to store in real life you’ll be hard pressed to find this level of precision and quality. You’ll find it much more commonly among sellers who enforce cut-quality standards rigorously.

That's so true Hawk, in the ' real world', the ASET image above is well beyond average, but possibly average give or take by Pricescope standards, it's easy to lose sight of that here perhaps because we are concentrating on arguably some of the best cut diamonds in the world, it's all relative. You can't really compare the ASET or cut quality of that particular Princess to some branded Princess, AGS0 PC, or non branded Princess hand selected for superior optics but it's definitely far better than many you would see and I think Mr Yantzer's comments were bang on the money. Also in the ' real world', this Princess is definitely going to be appealing as it's E colour, VS clarity and a large stone to boot, it should perform far better than most one might expect to see such as its average commercial cut quality counterparts. I think plenty of ' real world' buyers that weren't considering overall cut quality in their particular equation could be very interested in this diamond for the reasons I mentioned above, plus the ASET suggests it could be a good looking diamond, but not among the top performing Princess we often see here.

Interesting and useful conversation, thanks for asking for Mr Yantzer's opinion Hawk!

 

[proto]

It really depends on what price is being quoted for the diamond shown by OP.

If its massively inflated and he could get a Solasfera for the same price, then I think its not a good aset image.

We need more information.

the fact that it is above the industry average for princess cut is not enough imo.

 

[Lorelei]

It really depends on what price is being quoted for the diamond shown by OP.

If its massively inflated and he could get a Solasfera for the same price, then I think its not a good aset image.

We need more information.

the fact that it is above the industry average for princess cut is not enough imo.

You did do the right thing in pointing out some alternatives the OP could consider and asking about price, the OP might have provided that info should they wish to do so but this is one of those threads that developed in a different way due to the OP asking a specific question as to the quality of an image only, whether they return remains to be seen but hopefully they won't mind that their thread has deviated slightly!


I understand where you are coming from, but the thing is, not everyone is looking for or even wants the very best cut diamond available, plus we aim to be able to give advice and opinions on all standards of cut qualities and images. If a buyer wants a large Princess that has a reasonable, but not necessarily top standard of optical performance / beauty, and their priority is for a large, colourless and VS clarity diamond, there isn't always going to be a lot of even decently cut Princess that might fit the criteria and budget, especially in this size range / VS/ colourless/near colourless. I think Mr Yantzer's thoughts here concerning that ASET sum it up, quoted from Hawk '' But he estimates it to be in the top 10% if compared to production diamonds that make AGS0 and the top 3% if you were looking in average commercial jewelry stores.'' Mr Yantzer is one of the few uniquely qualified to give a realistic opinion concerning where this diamond might fit for cut quality compared to its peers.

As I said Proto, I see your point of view but in the big picture that is actually not a bad ASET image at all, compared to a typical Solasfera ASET as you mention then it wouldn't compare as favourably of course, but if Mr Yantzer believes it to fall within the range he mentioned above, I would be pretty confident in his assessment, as Hawk mentions, we might consider him to be Yoda for this exercise! We could ask for more information as I mentioned above, but that depends on the OP if they want to provide price, where it's for sale and so on, not everyone does and sometimes they just want info on an image or one particular aspect, they don't always want to share specifics with us. Some might think it preferable to go for F or G colour and a bit smaller and better cut if available, but not everyone wants to do that as they might really prefer the bigger E VS with a nice but not perfect cut. The size, E colour and VS clarity can be of huge importance and a colourless VS / VVS/IF clarity can be of great significance, sometimes for purity or cultural reasons or just personal preference, far more than having top notch cut quality, especially when it's not unusual that large colourless, VS clarity diamonds are often cut for weight rather than beauty and even reasonably well cut Princess are not the norm.


Hawk did us a real favour I believe by asking Mr Yantzer for his comments on this image, a real example of an opinion straight from the horse's mouth and his opinion of this image is positive, although it is of course subject to opinion and it has certainly given us the chance for an excellent and informative conversation!


For those following the conversation that might not be familiar with Peter Yantzer, he is the director of AGS labs that use ASET based performance software to assign a cut grade to some diamonds, including Princess, that are sent to AGS for grading reports.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/q-a-with-peter-yantzer-executive-director-ags-laboratories.158601/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/q-a-with-peter-yantzer-executive-director-ags-laboratories.158601/[/URL]

http://www.americangemsociety.org/uploads/47831387470093.pdf


Elev8melater, I am sorry we got a little off topic here, my apologies for that, but it's all in a good cause, if you need any more help please feel free to start another thread or we can continue on with this one, as you wish!

 

[proto]

Sorry if my comments came across as being argumentative or disagreeing with anyone else on this thread.

I just know that a 2.5 ct E diamond is a decent chunk of change and I know prices vary significantly among vendors.

When someone asks me about an image that they are considering purchasing, I automatically want to know how much the piece is to decide if it is a good cut relatively so they can compare like for like.

The point of my originals posts were to state that there are better cuts which exist, and that these may be within budget and should also be considered prior to pulling the trigger. Likely you may need to take a reduction on size, colour, clarity but this is down to personal preference.

For the record, I agree that this is a fine cut for princess, but continue to do more research before making a purchase as there may be an entire new bunch of diamonds you may want to consider before making your final decision.

 

[Lorelei]

Sorry if my comments came across as being argumentative or disagreeing with anyone else on this thread.

I just know that a 2.5 ct E diamond is a decent chunk of change and I know prices vary significantly among vendors.

When someone asks me about an image that they are considering purchasing, I automatically want to know how much the piece is to decide if it is a good cut relatively so they can compare like for like.

The point of my originals posts were to state that there are better cuts which exist, and that these may be within budget and should also be considered prior to pulling the trigger. Likely you may need to take a reduction on size, colour, clarity but this is down to personal preference.

For the record, I agree that this is a fine cut for princess, but continue to do more research before making a purchase as there may be an entire new bunch of diamonds you may want to consider before making your final decision.

No need to apologize Proto, they didn't come off that way at all, it's good to have a discussion about these things and especially your last sentence sums up exactly what we try to do here! Usually the thread would have evolved that way as usual but I think due to some eagerness ( from me especially! ) about The Man Himself, Peter Yantzer commenting about a specific image, the thread revolved more about that than perhaps the OP's original query!

 

[elev8melater]

Thanks for all the info. Much more than I expected. I am enjoying the discussion. The price is about 32k. I have looked a good bit and this is the best I have found at the price point with size color and cut all factored in.

 

[Lorelei]

Thanks for all the info. Much more than I expected. I am enjoying the discussion. The price is about 32k. I have looked a good bit and this is the best I have found at the price point with size color and cut all factored in.

Thanks for being understanding! I do apologize that your thread went off on a tangent, but we had a great conversation and we learn so much from these types of threads! The price isn't unreasonable for those specs, plus you have the blessing of Peter Yantzer himself regarding the ASET! It sounds as if you have definitely looked around, I have also had a look and I am not seeing anything similar listed that has any indication of cut quality but I would just like to clarify, does this diamond have a GIA report? That in itself has a considerable impact on price. The 32k is on the high side from what I am seeing, there is another listed with similar specs for 35k online. Is this diamond sold from from a brick and mortar store or online? That can also have an impact on price.

 

[elev8melater]

It is from one of the PriceScope dealers. It has a GIA report. Almost Perfectly square 7.46x7.48 table 76% depth 75% polish/symmetry both VG. Thanks!

 

[Lorelei]

It is from one of the PriceScope dealers. It has a GIA report. Almost Perfectly square 7.46x7.48 table 76% depth 75% polish/symmetry both VG. Thanks!

Thanks for that, good to know it has a GIA report and yes, it is almost perfectly square! It has a lot going for it on paper too, the table is a little larger than the depth, usually the reverse is preferable but that's not necessarily a deal breaker in any way especially as the ASET trumps the numbers, especially with fancies.

 

[elev8melater]

Thanks Lorelei. I definitely did learn a few things lurking here! Also it does not have any flourescence and it is a medium girdle. I'm thinking its a green light on this one.

 

[Lorelei]

Thanks Lorelei. I definitely did learn a few things lurking here! Also it does not have any flourescence and it is a medium girdle. I'm thinking its a green light on this one.

Hehe - I got that impression, I can usually tell quite early on if someone has been reading and doing their homework!

I think it's definitely worth taking a look in person, if it's not for you then no problem, as it's from one of the vendors there should be an approval period, just check to make sure, but if it is the one, fantastic! Please keep us posted, we would love to see some photos if you get it!

 

[elev8melater]

Thanks to everyone who responded to my post. The ring arrived and it is quite stunning to my eye. Pictures don't really do it justice but I tried anyway. Thanks!!

 

[Lorelei]

Hi Elev8,

Thanks so much for returning and posting pics, the diamond looks lovely and HUGE!

 

[tyty333]

Congratulations! It does look lovely!

 

[WinkHPD]

For those following the conversation that might not be familiar with Peter Yantzer, he is the director of AGS labs that use ASET based performance software to assign a cut grade to some diamonds, including Princess, that are sent to AGS for grading reports.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/q-a-with-peter-yantzer-executive-director-ags-laboratories.158601/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/q-a-with-peter-yantzer-executive-director-ags-laboratories.158601/[/URL]

Lorelei, Thank you for posting that link. I enjoyed that interview the first time I read it, and having recently seen Mr. Yantzer at the JCK show I could now "hear" his responses to Erika's questions almost as if he was in the room with me as I read.

Listening to Peter Yantzer is always an education in both humility and integrity. He is one of the kindest men I know too. It made my Sunday morning so much better to read that again.

Wink