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I posted earlier but I now have the GIA report on the fancy brown diamond.

The report is http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=13793915&weight=1.46

Modified Rectangular Brilliant

Measurements: 6.55 x 6.06 x 3.94 mm

Carat Weight: 1.46 carat
Color:
Origin: Natural
Grade: Fancy Dark Brown-Greenish Yellow
Distribution: Even
Clarity Grade: SI2

Proportions:
Depth: 65.0%
Table: 67%
Girdle: Extremely Thin to Very Thick
Culet: None
Finish:
Polish: Good
Symmetry: Good
Fluorescence: None
Comments: Additional clouds are not shown. Internal graining is not shown.

They want $4700 for the stone.

Is it even in the ball park?

I''m choosing between these two settings which do you guys like best?




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the diamond is just loose in the two settings. 2nd one.

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You have the cost, divide that by the carat weight and you will get the per carat price... If I were you, I''d do a lot more investigating, and make sure you can take the stone and have it independently appriased. When it comes to fancy diamonds, it gets harder... Good luck!!
 
Date: 6/24/2009 11:39:21 PM
Author:rcowdrey



They want $4700 for the stone.

Is it even in the ball park?

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when it comes to pricing a color stone it is anybody's guess...no guideline to follow. $4700 or $470
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JMO...$4700 for this brown stone is way too high.
 
Wow that first setting is almost exactly like mine!! Sorry... not helping

Ummmmm i would have no idea if the price is in the ball park. The pricing is a bit more varied when it comes to colored stones i think (especially for pink diamonds). Do you LOVE the stone? If you really want to buy it, you have to take it to an appraiser.

Good luck!
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Definitely have an independent appraiser check it out, not liking the extremely thin part on the girdle, might be a structural problem depending on location and how wide spread is the Ex Thin part.
 
Definitely get an independant appraisal and also get them to check out the ex thin part of the girdle, it isn''t always the case that this is a potential durability issue if in a non vulnerable area, a small area and measured in microns but always prudent to check.
 
I talked to Steve Jarvis in Dallas who I found on the web last night and the jewelry owner has agreed to take the stone to him and let him do an independent appraisal on it tomorrow before I finalize any purchase. Thanks so much for your help. I''ll let you know what Steve says. His link is below for those in the Dallas area.

http://www.dallasjewelryappraisals.com/about-steven-jarvis.htm
 
Date: 6/25/2009 4:01:29 PM
Author: rcowdrey
I talked to Steve Jarvis in Dallas who I found on the web last night and the jewelry owner has agreed to take the stone to him and let him do an independent appraisal on it tomorrow before I finalize any purchase. Thanks so much for your help. I''ll let you know what Steve says. His link is below for those in the Dallas area.

http://www.dallasjewelryappraisals.com/about-steven-jarvis.htm
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Good to know, please let us know how you get on
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One other thing for this novice. Does the cushion cut look ok in that square halo or should I get a more oval one?
 
Date: 6/25/2009 4:18:31 PM
Author: rcowdrey
One other thing for this novice. Does the cushion cut look ok in that square halo or should I get a more oval one?
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I think it looks nice but if you can pop the loose diamond into a more oval halo see which you prefer.
 
Another questions...is this for a RHR or an engagement ring? I think I like the split shank for a RHR and the single shank
for an engagement ring. Why? I''m thinking because the single shank puts more emphasis on the stone which makes
it look more like an engagement ring but the split shank is lovely too. I''m no help!
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My personal preference would be for the more rounded halo with the cushion instead of the squared-off one. Does the person wearing the ring prefer a more geometric, modern look to their jewelry or a softer, more romantic look?
 
Hi rcowdrey
HAve you seen the diamond in person?
Do you have any photos that show it more clearly?

The price is within reason if the stone is attractive.

In terms of the setting- it''s really a question of personal taste.
You have mentioned "Cushion " but the GIA refers to a Radiant cut....
 
Hi David,

I have seen it several times and it is a very nice looking stone. It is more brown than other stones that I''ve seen online graded like the ones above which seem to be more green, but the green highlights come out very nicely and I was looking for the brown to be the dominant color and I did not want an orange as I''m and Aggie as is my gf and there is not way we will have a burnt orange looking stone :).

I was really wondering about the cut in the report. the jeweler keeps referring to it as a cushion. Is there a major difference?
 
Hey rcowdrey- I now see that GIA called it a "Modified Rectangular Brilliant" - which is different than a radiant- my apologies.
A Radiant wold have been called "Cut Cornered Modified Brilliant"....so the stone you''re looking at might be much closer to a cushion.
HOw do the corners look? Are they 90degree sharp corners, or are they rounded at all?
GIA should have noted if they were rounded, but you never know......
 
Date: 6/25/2009 5:11:22 PM
Author: rcowdrey
Hi David,

I have seen it several times and it is a very nice looking stone. It is more brown than other stones that I''ve seen online graded like the ones above which seem to be more green, but the green highlights come out very nicely and I was looking for the brown to be the dominant color and I did not want an orange as I''m and Aggie as is my gf and there is not way we will have a burnt orange looking stone :).

I was really wondering about the cut in the report. the jeweler keeps referring to it as a cushion. Is there a major difference?
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Oh yes, cushions and radiants are very different to each other.
 
I missed one of the earlier questions. This is for an engagment ring. Its the second and last try for the two of us and I thought it appropriate to do something a little different. If the appraisal comes back and I can figure out this setting thing then its just left to figure out the proposal. We are taking our recently widowed mothers (they get along very well) who are in their 60s to Italy and France in August so I could do it there but if I want our kids to be involved then there is a special aggie engagement tradition that I can do in September. We were both on campus at the same time 18 years ago but never met back then.
 
I''d like to be honest and hope this doesn''t offend ............... that diamond is way way way too expensive. Brown diamonds, with great clarity and colour, can be found at much less. If you search on my name, you''ll see I have a 1ct brown diamond with wonderful orange flashes and I paid under $1000. If you have time, please do some shopping around.
 
Date: 6/25/2009 4:18:31 PM
Author: rcowdrey
One other thing for this novice. Does the cushion cut look ok in that square halo or should I get a more oval one?
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Rounded coners would be more pleasing to my eyes. Plus I like the bezeled/milgrained look of the second
setting but what I dont think I like so much (for an engagement ring) is the diamond shapes (with diamonds
in them) inbetween the split shank. I think to me that makes it look more like its for a RHR but all of this
is personal preference (and you know her better than we do!)
 
Hi LovingDiamonds, your diamond is very pretty and you got a heck of a deal. I''ve searched the web for several weeks and finding a decent brown less than 2500 per ct has eluded me. If you have a secret supplier, please hook me up :). Oh and the cut is very close to this incredible blue with the corners more rounded:

http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159536313
 
LovingDiamonds, I found the thread with your entire collection and your mention of your gemologist friend. I''m afraid I''m out of luck finding one of those.
 
ok got the third party appraisal and he said the diamond is very nice expecially because of the green and yellow and he appraised it at $6700 or $4590 per ct. I''m sure they always come in 20% high but it came in about 30% over what they are selling it for. Attached is the picture of the stone he sent with the report. So I think its a go.

Thanks everyone for your help.

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Date: 6/25/2009 5:15:29 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
Hey rcowdrey- I now see that GIA called it a ''Modified Rectangular Brilliant'' - which is different than a radiant- my apologies.
A Radiant wold have been called ''Cut Cornered Modified Brilliant''....so the stone you''re looking at might be much closer to a cushion.
HOw do the corners look? Are they 90degree sharp corners, or are they rounded at all?
GIA should have noted if they were rounded, but you never know......
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Hi David, I don''t mean to thread jack but I''ve always been curious about my stone. On the outside of my GIA report they call it a radiant but inside the description reads round cornered rectangular modified brilliant. So what is it? Radiant or cushion?
 
Date: 6/26/2009 4:55:24 PM
Author: Catmom

Date: 6/25/2009 5:15:29 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
Hey rcowdrey- I now see that GIA called it a ''Modified Rectangular Brilliant'' - which is different than a radiant- my apologies.
A Radiant wold have been called ''Cut Cornered Modified Brilliant''....so the stone you''re looking at might be much closer to a cushion.
HOw do the corners look? Are they 90degree sharp corners, or are they rounded at all?
GIA should have noted if they were rounded, but you never know......
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Hi David, I don''t mean to thread jack but I''ve always been curious about my stone. On the outside of my GIA report they call it a radiant but inside the description reads round cornered rectangular modified brilliant. So what is it? Radiant or cushion?
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Hi Michelle!

First of all- you mentioned the "outside of the report"- are you speaking of a label put on by the vendor? GIA does not use the word "Radiant" so there has to be some explanation for that one.

In terms of "Round Cornered Rectangular Modified Brilliant" ....generally GIA uses that for stones that look like a radiant, but with rounded corners.
Of course many of us would simply call that a cushion...I''m not really making this any clearer am I?

Do you have a photo of it Michelle?

rcowdrey- Congratulations!
 
Date: 6/26/2009 5:17:56 PM
Author: Rockdiamond

Date: 6/26/2009 4:55:24 PM
Author: Catmom


Date: 6/25/2009 5:15:29 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
Hey rcowdrey- I now see that GIA called it a ''Modified Rectangular Brilliant'' - which is different than a radiant- my apologies.
A Radiant wold have been called ''Cut Cornered Modified Brilliant''....so the stone you''re looking at might be much closer to a cushion.
HOw do the corners look? Are they 90degree sharp corners, or are they rounded at all?
GIA should have noted if they were rounded, but you never know......
Click to expand...
Hi David, I don''t mean to thread jack but I''ve always been curious about my stone. On the outside of my GIA report they call it a radiant but inside the description reads round cornered rectangular modified brilliant. So what is it? Radiant or cushion?
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Hi Michelle!

First of all- you mentioned the ''outside of the report''- are you speaking of a label put on by the vendor? GIA does not use the word ''Radiant'' so there has to be some explanation for that one.

In terms of ''Round Cornered Rectangular Modified Brilliant'' ....generally GIA uses that for stones that look like a radiant, but with rounded corners.
Of course many of us would simply call that a cushion...I''m not really making this any clearer am I?

Do you have a photo of it Michelle?

rcowdrey- Congratulations!
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David I don''t want to jack this thread so I will start a new thread.
 
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