Need An Honest Opinion: Knot Inclusion

[firsttimer90036]

I have read differing reports on this type of inclusion and I am hearing: 1. Stay away no matter what and 2. It's just another type of inclusion, no need to panic.

Can I get some different points of view on these? What they mean? What I should look for? Is this an avoid at all cost?

Need some help here and quick!

Thanks!

Details:
1.55ct
H
SI-1 (totally eyeclean).
GIA Triple EX with a very wide diameter of 7.53 X 7.5
HCA

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[c-k]

I have read differing reports on this type of inclusion and I am hearing: 1. Stay away no matter what and 2. It's just another type of inclusion, no need to panic.

Can I get some different points of view on these? What they mean? What I should look for? Is this an avoid at all cost?

Need some help here and quick!

Thanks!

Details:
1.55ct
H
SI-1 (totally eyeclean).
GIA Triple EX with a very wide diameter of 7.53 X 7.5
HCA

I would contact the gemologists at the vendor for a review on your concerns, they would be in the best position to give you the answers.

 

[firsttimer90036]

I have read differing reports on this type of inclusion and I am hearing: 1. Stay away no matter what and 2. It's just another type of inclusion, no need to panic.

Can I get some different points of view on these? What they mean? What I should look for? Is this an avoid at all cost?

Need some help here and quick!

Thanks!

Details:
1.55ct
H
SI-1 (totally eyeclean).
GIA Triple EX with a very wide diameter of 7.53 X 7.5
HCA

I would contact the gemologists at the vendor for a review on your concerns, they would be in the best position to give you the answers.

I did. And that's why I am here. The guy is trying to sell me on it.

I need some unbiased opinions on what you guys think. Help me out here.

 

[c-k]

Hopefully others can help you...but my take is this...if you are dealing with a vendor that you think is not telling you the truth or the whole story I would not buy from that vendor.

I learned a long time ago, with diamonds those vendors that can be and are trusted vendors do not do that, they want you happy, they don't want returns and if their is a problem yours or theirs they will refund, exchange or whatever.

I have dealt with both Whiteflash & Brian Gavins Dimaonds on my most recent two and would trust them fully with their opinion. Their several other vendors here that are just as trustworthy.

 

[firsttimer90036]

Hopefully others can help you...but my take is this...if you are dealing with a vendor that you think is not telling you the truth or the whole story I would not buy from that vendor.

I learned a long time ago, with diamonds those vendors that can be and are trusted vendors do not do that, they want you happy, they don't want returns and if their is a problem yours or theirs they will refund, exchange or whatever.

I have dealt with both Whiteflash & Brian Gavins Dimaonds on my most recent two and would trust them fully with their opinion. Their several other vendors here that are just as trustworthy.

All that being said. Thank you!

Anyway, what do you think of Knot inclusions? Thanks!

 

[Karl_K]

There are knots and then there are knots each has to be evaluated on how it affects the diamond and the potential for getting knocked out affecting the clarity and durability of the diamond.

 

[Karl_K]

Going by the report that is one huge knot and if it gets knocked out that stone is going to i2 clarity.

 

[firsttimer90036]

Going by the report that is one huge knot and if it gets knocked out that stone is going to i2 clarity.

What do you mean by "knocked out" ?

Thanks for the advice.

 

[firsttimer90036]

There are knots and then there are knots each has to be evaluated on how it affects the diamond and the potential for getting knocked out affecting the clarity and durability of the diamond.

Take a look at the report and give me your opinion. I would be curious to hear your thoughts.

 

[firsttimer90036]

Is this stone a "do not touch" or a "do not touch unless had at the right price"? Because I can tell you, it's going for the right price, if you ask me. But that's in my humble opinion and if I trusted my humble opinion, I wouldn't be on here asking yours.

Thanks!

 

[Karl_K]

Going by the report that is one huge knot and if it gets knocked out that stone is going to i2 clarity.

What do you mean by "knocked out" ?

Thanks for the advice.

It is a crystal that reaches the surface at times the crystal get knocked out of the stone leaving a hole in the diamond which is called a cavity on a grading report.
The price is low for a reason, no one wants to touch it.

 

[firsttimer90036]

Going by the report that is one huge knot and if it gets knocked out that stone is going to i2 clarity.

What do you mean by "knocked out" ?

Thanks for the advice.

It is a crystal that reaches the surface at times the crystal get knocked out of the stone leaving a hole in the diamond which is called a cavity on a grading report.
The price is low for a reason, no one wants to touch it.

Great Karl. And what is the general likelihood of that sort of event taking place?

 

[Karl_K]

Great Karl. And what is the general likelihood of that sort of event taking place?

Its not that uncommon, depends on the size and location of the knot and how secure it is in place and how the diamond is treated when worn.
There is a much greater risk with a diamond with a large knot than one without.


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[firsttimer90036]

Great Karl. And what is the general likelihood of that sort of event taking place?

Its not that uncommon, depends on the size and location of the knot and how secure it is in place and how the diamond is treated when worn.
There is a much greater risk with a diamond with a large knot than one without.


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Ok. So when wearing a diamond with a large knot, would you recommend not going on a spaceship? Playing tackle football? What sorts of activities are going to knock this thing out of this puppy?

 

[Karl_K]

wow, I am trying hard to stay within the trade member policies but here goes...
I would not wear a diamond with that large a knot anywhere.
To much chance of it becoming an i2 and losing 80% of its value.

 

[firsttimer90036]

wow, I am trying hard to stay within the trade member policies but here goes...
I would not wear a diamond with that large a knot anywhere.
To much chance of it becoming an i2 and losing 80% of its value.

Thanks Karl!! Appreciate your patience, we have a first timer out here!!

Further, this is from another thread:

The only problem that knot has is when the unlucky cutter and polisher had to deal with it. Otherwise, it should not give you any problam at all as long as you cannot see it without a loupe.
Enjoy!


Thoughts?

 

[Karl_K]

wow, I am trying hard to stay within the trade member policies but here goes...
I would not wear a diamond with that large a knot anywhere.
To much chance of it becoming an i2 and losing 80% of its value.

Thanks Karl!! Appreciate your patience, we have a first timer out here!!

Further, this is from another thread:

The only problem that knot has is when the unlucky cutter and polisher had to deal with it. Otherwise, it should not give you any problam at all as long as you cannot see it without a loupe.
Enjoy!


Thoughts?

I am positive whoever posted that would agree that:
There are knots and then there are knots each has to be evaluated on how it affects the diamond and the potential for getting knocked out affecting the clarity and durability of the diamond.

 

[firsttimer90036]

wow, I am trying hard to stay within the trade member policies but here goes...
I would not wear a diamond with that large a knot anywhere.
To much chance of it becoming an i2 and losing 80% of its value.

Thanks Karl!! Appreciate your patience, we have a first timer out here!!

Further, this is from another thread:

The only problem that knot has is when the unlucky cutter and polisher had to deal with it. Otherwise, it should not give you any problam at all as long as you cannot see it without a loupe.
Enjoy!


Thoughts?

I am positive whoever posted that would agree that:
There are knots and then there are knots each has to be evaluated on how it affects the diamond and the potential for getting knocked out affecting the clarity and durability of the diamond.

Excellent. So other than the knot, after looking at the GIA report, what else can you tell me about this diamond?

 

[Gypsy]

Karl can't say it but I can.

You need to pass on this diamond. It is a bad choice as regular wear could result in that knot causing a fracture in the diamond.

We do not advise that you buy that diamond. It is a poor value and a high risk.


You've been given good advice here.

I hope you take it.

 

[firsttimer90036]

Karl can't say it but I can.

You need to pass on this diamond. It is a bad choice as regular wear could result in that knot causing a fracture in the diamond.

We do not advise that you buy that diamond. It is a poor value and a high risk.


You've been given good advice here.

I hope you take it.

That's all I needed. Thanks!

 

[two_little_birds]

If you want, post your budget and preferences and people here will find you some great options. Just a suggestion.

 

[firsttimer90036]

If you want, post your budget and preferences and people here will find you some great options. Just a suggestion.

Thanks

The budget is roughly 12,000 for a diamond with the specs above. Looking for 1.55, if not then as close as possible.


Thank you!!!

 

[two_little_birds]

Here are a few options just to start you off... (all from simply using the PS search function)

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.47-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-270388

http://www.eternitybyyoni.com/diamond_detail.php?id=1460481&ref=pricescope

http://www.eternitybyyoni.com/diamond_detail.php?id=1472095&ref=pricescope

http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-default&id=34 (J color but still amazing)

Slightly above your budget but you would also get a PS discount...

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.504-e-si2-round-diamond-ags-104064814013#!prettyPhoto[gallery2]/0/

I will keep looking, but I'm sure others will jump in with more options too.

 

[two_little_birds]

This one is amazing too!

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3048658.htm

 

[firsttimer90036]

This one is amazing too!

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3048658.htm

I like this one. How do I get the best price from this site? There are 3 prices listed. Thanks!

 

[firsttimer90036]

Also, what feedback or basic advice can you give me regarding buying a loose diamond off of one of these sites? I know they are raved about and trusted on here, but explain to me in layman's terms why this makes sense and roughly what percentage I will be saving vs. going with an in-person dealer.

Also, what can you tell me about buying off one of these sites vs. buying from Blue Nile?


Thanks!

 

[firsttimer90036]

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.59-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-286971

What do you guys think of this stone?

Would it be bad for me to go from an H down to an I?

Need some help here! Thanks

 

[c-k]

This one is amazing too!

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3048658.htm

I like this one. How do I get the best price from this site? There are 3 prices listed. Thanks!

Here you go....beautiful, do the pricescope wire price.

other questions

...Whiteflash, excellent vendor, return policy, trade up policy, will provide you with all the tools/pictures/images/iealscopes/sarin reports/lab reports before hand.

...never used Bluenile, just don't provide the info I want.

...other vendors that offer tons of information, images, idealscopes, ASET, great policies similar to WF, GoodOldGold, Brian Gavin Diamonds, High Performance Diamonds, and a few others

...the JA stone is not as well cut as the Whiteflash and from an H to an I color in a setting would be very hard to tell.

 

[two_little_birds]

...the JA stone is not as well cut as the Whiteflash and from an H to an I color in a setting would be very hard to tell.

+1

I have a feeling you're just looking at carat weight. You need to evaluate by cut (a well cut diamond will always look bigger than a diamond not cut as well) plus you need to look at the dimensions of the diamond (if you're judging by size). The WF stone I posted is STUNNING. If you're at all interested you should reserve it before someone snatches it up (lurkers, etc.)

 

[firsttimer90036]

...the JA stone is not as well cut as the Whiteflash and from an H to an I color in a setting would be very hard to tell.

+1

I have a feeling you're just looking at carat weight. You need to evaluate by cut (a well cut diamond will always look bigger than a diamond not cut as well) plus you need to look at the dimensions of the diamond (if you're judging by size). The WF stone I posted is STUNNING. If you're at all interested you should reserve it before someone snatches it up (lurkers, etc.)

I love that stone but it's just outside my budget...tough call.