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My landlord went crazy!

Imdanny

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First, several of you offered me your condolences on the death of my aunt. I want to thank you so much for your kindnesses. They have strengthened me and I will always be grateful for them.

Second, my landlord went crazy!

He called me up yesterday afternoon and he told me to take my desk chair and put it in his garage in 5 minutes.

In case anyone is wondering, there was no formality to it, there was no hesitation, he used his words as commands, there was never any question of him saying please.

My aunt had been lain in earth only hours ago and I was asleep to keep from crying, so I answered the phone 1/2 awake.

Apparently, he says he said this chair belonged to a friend and the friend was coming in about an hour.

So I got to speed up this story.

Chair got put where I was told.

But chair didn't leave the garage at all even at night when the landlord's car was gone.

SO and I unpack two rugs, a piece of art, and some curtains. We take all this outside where we shake the bugs out of it (hey, it's a tropical place, an obvious reason you don't want to store rugs like this in a studio's tiny box shaped, so small you can't stand up in it, closet). We re-roll the rugs, fold everything else, bring it into his garage, arrange it so the piece of art is sitting on one of rugs and leaning against the wall.

Next thing landlord pulls in his garage.

It's clear he's having (his first if that matters) a fit of anger because he spends about five minutes banging (kicking?) stuff, slamming the door leading from the garage to our walkway, etc.

Then he calls me.

I let it ring.

Then I hear the sounds of what apparently is the landlord carrying the stuff in front of my apartment and up his back outside stairs.

He didn't leave a message and hasn't contacted me since.

It might be helpful if I could give some context. I don't remember him saying the chair wasn't his. The chair was advertised and rented to me, regardless. I don't think calling someone and giving them five minutes to follow your command is polite. I and SO had to wonder if there wasn't more to this story.

For instance, he keeps asking me if my cat and his outside cats fight between the screen door screen. What a silly question to keep asking. He can see there is some damage my cat has done to the screens. Life's not perfect. I do have clippers for my cat's nails. But the bottom line is that the landlord has a deposit equal to one month's rent, so it's not as if some screen, leather patches would not be able to be taken from my deposit, or I meant replace the screen, not the frames, whatever, I think the landlord has been going in my room. It's not a room in his house. It has a private door to go outside and no door into his house. It's a studio apartment. I feel that he's treating it as a room in his house. If he were to follow the law, he would give me 24 hours notice before entering. I don't think he's doing that.

But for whatever reason, out of the blue, this man wants this chair I've rented with a furnished apartment and orders me to deliver it in five minutes. I don't remember a damn thing about his friend owning the car, his friend was supposed to be coming in an hour but the chair stayed there all day and night and into the next day. Weird.

I think the calling me from the garage after going on a small rampage as if he were using a servant's pushbutton and all of the above might indicate he has some boundary issues. He's definitely a controlling person at the best of times. Calling me and barking at me to give him his chair in five minutes has given me a bad feeling and since he knew I was home he could have had the guts to knock instead of to summon me (and don't doubt that's what it would have been).

Any advice?
 
Poor you, this must be the last thing you need at the moment.

Is he a first time landlord? He sounds like he is confusing having a guest with a tenant and his behaviour does sound really odd. As you rent the place furnished is there an inventory as part of your rental agreement? It should have the chair listed on there so if he takes it then he has to replace it with something similar (I am in the UK but we rent a house out and I am going by what I would have to do here for my tentants) he can't just decide he wants it back. Also was there any discussion re whether or not you could use the garage for storage and is this also part of the rental agreement?

His behaviour sounds erratic and I would definately get a notebook and make notes about times and odd things he does just in case you need it to get your deposit back or for proof. And is there some way you can get evidence that he is entering your room? This is a big no no - why would he be doing that other than to snoop.

I think he needs to be reminded that there are boundaries he needs to respect in order to be a landlord. Foolish man, good tentants are worth their weight in gold.
 
Danny, he can't enter your premises. A tenant's digs are as much his as if he owned it. 24-hr notice is only acceptable when something needs fixing. NOBODY can go into someone else's legally-occupied home without permission for any other purpose. (Try putting thread in the door or some trick to verify he's entered yours. A nanny-cam would be best, they're cheap.)

Is it possible to find this person at a quiet time & have a calm talk w/him? You need to give him clear boundaries. May take all the physical strength you have to keep your voice low & smooth, but it's the only way to have a conversation with, um, excitable folks like him. What about asking him an open question as to what's bothering him about the cats? You can promise to have the door re-screened when you leave -- it's amazingly inexpensive, my dogs destroyed mine & I was surprised at the low price.

How long is your lease for? Hate to say it but I can see this situation deteriorating over time; it will be a matter of how much you want to take for how long, perhaps. Might be a good idea to just keep an eye out for possible better options in a while. The guy has self-control problems, obviously, & if he hasn't fixed them by now, he's not likely to.

Good luck!!!

--- Laurie
 
sorry about the loss of your aunt. about the chair...may seem insignificant ,but it was there when you rented the fully furnished apartment and you have paid for its use for a time and it should be replaced with an equal or better replacement.What next? can he tell you to remove your sofa or dining table because it belonged to some one else? You need to have a chat with this man and remind him about the boundaries you are PAYING for!I would plan to move in the near future.
 
Sorry for your loss. As for the landlord- I would make note of his behaviors and consider the nanny cam- for piece of mind. Also make sure you heck your lease agreement Nd that he is not taking advantage of you.
 
So sorry this happened, Danny.
I just wanted to offer an e-hug.

:wavey:
 
When it rains, it pours...........what does your lease say about the furnishings? what does it say about landlord access to the premises and the reasons for entering? And most importantly....how long is your lease? Also, you should document all of this!

BTW-was that orange cat his?
 
No advice Danny, but I'm very sorry to hear about the death of your aunt. Please accept my sympathies.
 
Hi, Danny-

Please accept my condolences on the death of you aunt. You must have been close to her, because you sound very distraught by her passing. I hope that you will find comfort in your SO and friends.

I think you got some excellent advice from ppeople on how to handle your landlord. I don't know how you are supposed to handle the problems with which you are supposedly presenting him if you have no idea wehat they are! I think that the only thing you can do is to ask him, civilly, if he has any problems with you as a tenant and, if so, what they are! Then we can find out if he thinks cats are fighting between screens or what kinds of fantasies he may be entertaining about the way you live. But at the moment, we know nothing! He is just an angry enigma!

I wish you luck. Please report back!

Hugs,
Deb
:read:
 
Hi everyone, :appl:

Thanks for the advice!

To clarify two things : it's an oral contract meaning m to m tenancy user H law, it doesn't say anything other than that.

Also, I'm not using his garage; I was just giving him his own stuff.

Long story short, everything is fine between us now but, I don't like him anymore. He made a mistake in acting like that on that day. He used whatever good will I felt. He might regret not being polite and cooperative one day because I'll be neither in the future if it suits me. I'm a trusting person but he stepped over the line with me. So be it.

Orange cat was walking under my feet last night and I tripped over him. I Knocked him in the head accidentally as I almost fell down. Omg. I had to tell him I didn't mean it. Lol. He's adorable and his owners blank blank. He shouldn't be Outside late at night. I tried to make this point in the other thread but Once more with feeling: You don't treat cats like wild birds. Bleep ing bleep, some people.

/rant over

Kenny, I hope u are healing well and more comfortable.
 
Thanks Danny, it's going very well. =)
 
Deb, on iPhone so might have misread your post but yes I basically did that. He played dumb, guess didn't want to talk about anything, so I was like ok!
:read:
 
kenny|1318304491|3037508 said:
Thanks Danny, it's going very well. =)

Right on. =)
 
I missed a q. Sorry! No, orange cat is not his.
 
jewelerman|1318003600|3035364 said:
sorry about the loss of your aunt. about the chair...may seem insignificant ,but it was there when you rented the fully furnished apartment and you have paid for its use for a time and it should be replaced with an equal or better replacement.What next? can he tell you to remove your sofa or dining table because it belonged to some one else? You need to have a chat with this man and remind him about the boundaries you are PAYING for!I would plan to move in the near future.

jewelerman, I SO MUCH agree with you! I was paying for that chair. :nono: You know, I flat out asked him if he was going to take more furniture and if so what. Well, the big bookshelf and the tv cabinet, it turns out, belong to his ex in Texas, but, he assures me, "they" are telling her to forget about it, and Texas is a long way from Hawaii. It simply costs a fortune to bring things out here, or return them.

However, it's VERY hard to find what I have here, i.e. a great studio with concrete (or any hard) floors, in brand new condition (i.e. no mold) that takes two people and a cat AND only charges $55 extra/ month for the second person. ALMOST ALL (I did think literally all, that this would never happen) places here that have places like this will only rent them to one person (and they are very explicit about it- they want one person so they don't have to be inconvenienced by any other situation than one person who is basically never home) AND even for one person nice places like this, at this price, are hard to come by. So, as in most things here, people who rent/ stores, actually, pretty much all business, don't have a lot competition and can get away with a lot, usually price gouging (just to an obscene level), or in this case, a landlord who is an eccentric millionaire, who doesn't really answer to anyone, and seems to have mistaken me for [unprintable].

Thank you for your condolences. Much appreciated.
 
Amber St. Clare|1318289242|3037324 said:
No advice Danny, but I'm very sorry to hear about the death of your aunt. Please accept my sympathies.

You are very kind. Thank you.
 
JillyC|1318020341|3035531 said:
When it rains, it pours...........what does your lease say about the furnishings? what does it say about landlord access to the premises and the reasons for entering? And most importantly....how long is your lease? Also, you should document all of this!

BTW-was that orange cat his?

Hi JillyC, I've answered your other questions, lease says nothing because there is no written lease, landlord access according to state law is landlord has to give 24 hrs notice except in an emergency, a month to month tenancy continues until one party gives written notice, orange cat doesn't belong to my landlord (although, he does have three cats and treats them the same way!- right down to the they don't ever go to the vet part- strange, I guess he thinks he's doing them a favor by feeding them? and yet, he could afford to get them fixed, and one had an open wound that was horrifying, I guess that healed on its own), and you are absolutely right, I should document this. I've actually been meaning to write up a lease and it would say "furnished" and technically, I know I should list the furniture, but honestly, I'll be lucky if he leaves us with the bed. :? It was so strange of him to call me up and bark at me to take the desk chair to the garage in 5 minutes! I think he took it for himself but I'll never know because unlike him I wouldn't ever go in his house. Thanks, JillyC!
 
Amys Bling|1318011039|3035431 said:
Sorry for your loss. As for the landlord- I would make note of his behaviors and consider the nanny cam- for piece of mind. Also make sure you heck your lease agreement Nd that he is not taking advantage of you.

Thank you, Amys Bling.
 
Lottie UK|1317973364|3035199 said:
Poor you, this must be the last thing you need at the moment.

Is he a first time landlord? He sounds like he is confusing having a guest with a tenant and his behaviour does sound really odd. As you rent the place furnished is there an inventory as part of your rental agreement? It should have the chair listed on there so if he takes it then he has to replace it with something similar (I am in the UK but we rent a house out and I am going by what I would have to do here for my tentants) he can't just decide he wants it back. Also was there any discussion re whether or not you could use the garage for storage and is this also part of the rental agreement?

His behaviour sounds erratic and I would definately get a notebook and make notes about times and odd things he does just in case you need it to get your deposit back or for proof. And is there some way you can get evidence that he is entering your room? This is a big no no - why would he be doing that other than to snoop.

I think he needs to be reminded that there are boundaries he needs to respect in order to be a landlord. Foolish man, good tentants are worth their weight in gold.

Thank you, Lottie UK. I've answered some of your questions in other posts but yes, I think he's not used to being a landlord and he's definitely confusing me with having a guest. I have to look into this nanny cam thing but to be honest, my apartment is just downstairs from him, right in his house. I don't trust the landlords I've met here not to snoop. I think they think it's theirs and they can go in it if they bleep well please. The law says otherwise of course but I honestly think that's the way they feel. I'm not sure he did that. I mean I don't have any proof. SO thinks that's what happened. It was just so out of the blue, you know what I mean? I think he has some boundry issues. I know he's a control freak. Park here, no here, no five feet over, not on the grass, but not in my way, finally SO said, why doesn't he just paint lines? LOL! He had three cars but he sold two. Then he decided he wanted to park in the center of his garage (I'm not kidding) and he wanted to be able to back out without me being in the way. He chilled out and now he's parking his car on the right side of the garage. I'm like dude if I go five feet over I will be in the grass! :?
 
JewelFreak|1317990654|3035252 said:
Danny, he can't enter your premises. A tenant's digs are as much his as if he owned it. 24-hr notice is only acceptable when something needs fixing. NOBODY can go into someone else's legally-occupied home without permission for any other purpose. (Try putting thread in the door or some trick to verify he's entered yours. A nanny-cam would be best, they're cheap.)

Is it possible to find this person at a quiet time & have a calm talk w/him? You need to give him clear boundaries. May take all the physical strength you have to keep your voice low & smooth, but it's the only way to have a conversation with, um, excitable folks like him. What about asking him an open question as to what's bothering him about the cats? You can promise to have the door re-screened when you leave -- it's amazingly inexpensive, my dogs destroyed mine & I was surprised at the low price.

How long is your lease for? Hate to say it but I can see this situation deteriorating over time; it will be a matter of how much you want to take for how long, perhaps. Might be a good idea to just keep an eye out for possible better options in a while. The guy has self-control problems, obviously, & if he hasn't fixed them by now, he's not likely to.

Good luck!!!

--- Laurie

Hi Laurie,

Thank you. I am going to look into a nanny-cam. It's an interesting idea. SO says this won't be the last time he does something objectionable and he's probably right.

I had to meet him to give him money a couple days after this happened and I asked him if there was something he wanted to talk about (figuring he'd still be thinking about whatever he was thinking about when he called me from the garage and I refused to pick up the phone). He said, "No." As if nothing had happened. Men can be like that.

I agree with you. I think it will deteriorate one day! I'm just going to be philosophical about that!

Hugs!

Danny
 
Danny - I don't have a lot of advice, but I wanted to offer some hugs and support. Landlords can be a pain, and you are also going through a time of loss, which makes this even worse. I hope it resolves itself, and I hope all our positive vibes will help strengthen you in your time of loss as well.
 
Thank you, Dragonfly!

BTW, I like the quote in your sig. line!

Did she live Florida or am I confusing her with someone else?

I was born there. It's a beautiful place.
 
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