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Mozambique Paraiba

Discussion in 'Colored Gemstones' started by neofita, Mar 13, 2018.

  1. neofita
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    by neofita » Mar 13, 2018
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    Hi,
    Do you have any idea about what could be the price per carat for a stone like that? Is it a neon one? I’m pretty new about stone, but love the Paraiba. Thank you in advance
     
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  2. Nosean
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    by Nosean » Mar 13, 2018
    Depend on the weight, treatment....
     
  3. neofita
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    by neofita » Mar 13, 2018
    It’s heated, less than 2 ct, with an appraisal by Gemological Appraisals laboratory of America
     
  4. Acinom
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    by Acinom » Mar 13, 2018
    Have you seen the stone in real life? Or do you have more pics? Hard to determine whether it has the glow based on one single photo
     
  5. chrono
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    by chrono » Mar 13, 2018
    With Paraiba now being treated, I would want it from a better lab.
     
  6. neofita
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    by neofita » Mar 13, 2018
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    Nope, I can’t see it, but I have more pictures
     
  7. doberman
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    by doberman » Mar 13, 2018
    A report/appraisal from that lab is worthless. And an appraisal is only as good as the appraiser and the best appraisers are ones whom you know and trust. Hard pass.
     
  8. Nosean
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    by Nosean » Mar 13, 2018
    In my opinion it is very important to check this quality and color in (cloudy) daylight.

    Per carat should be a low three figure price.
     
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  9. neofita
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    by neofita » Mar 13, 2018
    Thank you. What does it means “low three figure price”?
     
  10. neofita
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    by neofita » Mar 13, 2018
    Thank you. Do you mean than the appraiser can sympathize with client and writing that there is copper where is not?
     
  11. Nosean
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    by Nosean » Mar 13, 2018
    100-300 pct
     
  12. neofita
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    by neofita » Mar 13, 2018
    Thank you so much
     
  13. neofita
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    by neofita » Mar 13, 2018
    And is it no neon, right?
     
  14. chrono
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    by chrono » Mar 13, 2018
    Paraiba are now oiled and / or resin filled. Price is also dependent on the glow. Just having copper content on paper isn’t enough for it to be called Paraiba, hence should not be priced as high. An appraisal is not equivalent to a lab memo from a well respected lab.
     
  15. Nosean
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    by Nosean » Mar 13, 2018
    Here are many Paraiba and copper bearing Elbaite experts....

    Better they answer this question...

    I have three little stones from Mozambique around 0,5-0,8 ct - eyeclean with a color quite similar to this stone - in some condition they are wonderful and neon - cloudy daylight not.

    A fine one glows even under bad light conditions like cloudy daylight.

    This stone is a bit grey or am I wrong?
     
  16. Bron357
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    by Bron357 » Mar 13, 2018
    With Pariba you are paying a huge premium for the extra special glow. That’s what makes them so special and valuable.
    That gem might be “pariba colour”, might even be “copper bearing” but it has no apparent glow, it’s just flat, cloudy and dull in my humble opinion.
     
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  17. neofita
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    by neofita » Mar 13, 2018
    AAFFB4C5-D61E-4AD4-A02B-D45E19702B2C.jpeg D029AD2B-3F4A-458F-A3F5-0A1FFAB3E448.jpeg 60925629-6691-43F2-8FD2-CB6ED8C7F399.jpeg Thank you everyone. So, you all think is not a Paraiba... and now I think I couldn’t afford a real Paraiba in my all life :cry2::cry2:! Anyway, I was inspired by these rings...do you think they ara low quality stones as well? Because they sell them as Paraiba, for even 100.000 $...
     
  18. arglthesheep
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    by arglthesheep » Mar 14, 2018
    @neofita
    Paraiba is misused most of the time, but is same discussion as with emerald (when it is one) or ruby (or just pink saphire).
    Normally paraiba should only be called paraiba when they come from Brazil paraiba. Copper bearing tourmalines are also found in Mozambique and Nigeria in nice colors. They are mostly called paraiba like or just copper bearing. But to sell them the term paraiba raises the price.
    The above shown stone is around 100-300/ct as Nosean already said. It is not good colored and fairly included. Heating is normally given with most of the paraiba stones.
    To make it complicated is that the landscape in the early supercontinent (think it was called Pangea) was connected with the todays brazil and mozambique, so it was the same area few hundred millions years ago. So what is right now? :mrgreen::mrgreen:
     
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    by Sagebrush » Mar 14, 2018
    CIBJO the organization tasked with naming new gemstones defines Paraiba as Cuprian (copper bearing tourmaline) but has restricted the use of the term to the classic colors produced by the original mines. This is a good example of political influence.

    The Brazilian dealers who cornered the Mozambique cupric market lobbied for this despite the fact that it goes against all previous naming conventions. This was the first time a gem not from a specific geographic area was named for that area. Some labs have adopted the CIBJO convention and will use the term "Pariaba" without adding actual country of origin, but these are a minority. There is a huge price spread between Brazilian stones from Paraiba and those from Mozambique. Before purchasing, insist on a grading report with country of origin.

    RWW
     
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  20. neofita
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    by neofita » Mar 14, 2018
    Thank you so much everybody! You are incredibly knowledgeable! So, I gave up with this stone ;)2
     

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