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SunshineCrystal

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Good day to all of you, wonderful, knowledgeable people. I am at the point where I need your guidance. For quite some time now, I’ve been looking high and low for my birthstone rock. I was born in February, and my birthstone is amethyst. The problem is that I hate most amethyst I see! I hate the washed out, barely pinkish lavender, diluted, flat look of it. Please, no offense to anyone else who loves it, it’s just me...So I’ve been looking for a Siberian to the max color, with magenta and green flashes, with its spectacular saturated purple/violet... Nothing local, but when I look on the Internet, I get so confused, and realize that I can’t choose anything just from the pictures. Nothing looks quite right.
Then, there are settings. So hard to find what I like. Don’t know where to look, looked on Stuller website, but didn’t see anything I liked.

Now the visuals...I am looking for the color like it is depicted in the first picture. I’m looking for a setting similar to the second (may be third) picture. Where do I look? I would be eternally grateful for any ideas or sources of reliable vendors and sellers of both gems and settings... THANK YOU...
 

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T L

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You want African material as much amethyst, even dark material, is a flat grape or purple without those red flashes. Make sure whomever you buy from realizes this. You also don’t want anything so dark, it almost looks black. Here’s old mine Zambian material. It also color shifts to a more bluish color in sunlight. It also has red flashes and is not too dark. People confuse super dark amethyst with Siberian quality, but this stone is not too dark.

As for vendors, it’s hard to find decent material these days. I know people might mention Jeff Davies, but he cuts a lot of Brazilian material which tends to be flatter in color.

I’m a huge fan of African material, even more than the JXR mine that some people tout.

Check moregems.com. He may have some Rwandan material left. It’s amazing! The problem is that it’s very large, maybe he can custom cut you something. Only buy from very trusted people who know their rough, as synthetic amethyst is all over the place and looks Siberian.
 

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SunshineCrystal

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You want African material as much amethyst, even dark material, is a flat grape or purple without those red flashes. Make sure whomever you buy from realizes this. You also don’t want anything so dark, it almost looks black. Here’s old mine Zambian material. It also color shifts to a more bluish color in sunlight. It also has red flashes and is not too dark. People confuse super dark amethyst with Siberian quality, but this stone is not too dark.

As for vendors, it’s hard to find decent material these days. I know people might mention Jeff Davies, but he cuts a lot of Brazilian material which tends to be flatter in color.

I’m a huge fan of African material, even more than the JXR mine that some people tout.

Check moregems.com. He may have some Rwandan material left. It’s amazing!
What is your opinion on Four Peaks amethysts? I’ve never seen it in person...
 

T L

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It looks like the best four peaks material isn’t available when you see flat looking gems like this!!!

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T L

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T L, it’s beautiful indeed. Hopefully, it’s not treated/heated?
Heating is acceptable to lighten up some gems. Moregems discloses treatment. They have both heated and unheated Rwandan material.
 

Bron357

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Hi, just be aware that amethyst can photograph differently to viewing in real life. This is mine, it’s a lovely deeper tone but it looks better in a photograph than real life. And it’s under incandescent that I get the “reddish” flashes. So choose a vendor who allows return for refund if it isn’t to your liking. 56DFAA5C-CA01-4B49-B6CD-779570BB4F77.jpeg 15514AAC-BB9D-4AC0-BCBC-474EE9F945C5.jpeg
 

polarisfire

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Check out Brad at The Gem Trader. He just posted a nice Zambian amethyst a couple weeks ago as part of his October new stock and I ended up emailing to see if he had more. He had a pair and a few singles left after I ordered some ;-) If you email him he might still have them!

I've seen some nice Uruguay amethyst online as well, but I've not seen it in real life.
 

T L

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Check out Brad at The Gem Trader. He just posted a nice Zambian amethyst a couple weeks ago as part of his October new stock and I ended up emailing to see if he had more. He had a pair and a few singles left after I ordered some ;-) If you email him he might still have them!

I've seen some nice Uruguay amethyst online as well, but I've not seen it in real life.
Uruguay material can be very nice, but I’ve seen flat looking material as well. Many years ago I ordered a large dark Uruguayan amethyst. It was dark, but no red flash or color shift. I ended up selling it to a coworker who loved it.
 

SunshineCrystal

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Check out Brad at The Gem Trader. He just posted a nice Zambian amethyst a couple weeks ago as part of his October new stock and I ended up emailing to see if he had more. He had a pair and a few singles left after I ordered some ;-) If you email him he might still have them!

I've seen some nice Uruguay amethyst online as well, but I've not seen it in real life.
Do you have your stones yet? I would love to see pictures.
 

Rose-gold-or-bust

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Hi, just be aware that amethyst can photograph differently to viewing in real life. This is mine, it’s a lovely deeper tone but it looks better in a photograph than real life. And it’s under incandescent that I get the “reddish” flashes. So choose a vendor who allows return for refund if it isn’t to your liking. 56DFAA5C-CA01-4B49-B6CD-779570BB4F77.jpeg 15514AAC-BB9D-4AC0-BCBC-474EE9F945C5.jpeg
I was going to say the same thing. What you see in photos all comes down to lighting and background color.
 

Rfisher

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The shadow from the glove fingers on the wood table tell you how much directed strong light was needed to show the color in the stone.
Here is some good eye candy

Have you looked at The Gemstone Project (Etsy) and Earths Treasury?
I think they both have stones that maybe might interest you - worth checking out for more info. They may also have more stock not listed - ask.
 
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krissy7

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I have a Four Peaks Amethyst and really like the color. I think the mine must still be open because there is a jewelry retailer in Arizona called Sami Fine Jewelry that arranges tours of the mine. Best of luck with your search!
 

T L

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I have a Four Peaks Amethyst and really like the color. I think the mine must still be open because there is a jewelry retailer in Arizona called Sami Fine Jewelry that arranges tours of the mine. Best of luck with your search!
It could still be open, but sometimes what happens is that the best material is already mined out.
 

lambskin

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I too have been on the hunt for that same color of ammy. I call it royal purple. Not a fan of the light stuff. I have seen ammy on my travels to Brasil, India, Korea and still have not seen my stone. Now I am a bit weary as it is a semi precious stone and not really rare but any stone that I seem interested in is really expensive. And I heard that there is heat treated citrine that turns purple and is called an ammy. Good luck with your search-I can't wait to see what you buy.
 

T L

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1) no gem should be evaluated on a dark background. Can they show it to you in a lighter background?

2) is this a trustworthy vendor who knows their source? Otherwise it could be synthetic. If it’s moregems, they’re trustworthy.
 

SunshineCrystal

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Yes, more
1) no gem should be evaluated on a dark background. Can they show it to you in a lighter background?

2) is this a trustworthy vendor who knows their source? Otherwise it could be synthetic. If it’s moregems, they’re trustworthy.
Yes, moregems.
 

SunshineCrystal

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It could still be open, but sometimes what happens is that the best material is already mined out.
TL,
What is your opinion on Four Peaks amethysts? I’ve never seen it in person...
TL, I did contact moregems and they said they have some Rwanda checkerboard cut gems left. They couldn’t answer many of my questions and don’t seem know who cut them or whether they were treated on not. Can they be trusted that this material is actually Rwanda material and not something else?

 

T L

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TL,


TL, I did contact moregems and they said they have some Rwanda checkerboard cut gems left. They couldn’t answer many of my questions and don’t seem know who cut them or whether they were treated on not. Can they be trusted that this material is actually Rwanda material and not something else?

Usually they’re cut by the lapidary over there. I’m not sure, sorry!!!!
 
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