Little Sister trying to help big brother find a stone....

[LittleSis]

Hi there.....I am SO HAPPY to have found this website. I have poured over postings for a few days now and although my head is spinning, there is so much useful information here!

My situation....my brother is looking for a radiant stone (btw-this is what she wants) for his girl. Problem is he is in a new job (can''t spend too much time on the internet) and he lives with his girlfriend so can''t research at home. I am trying to do a lot of research for him....not because he expects me to, just because I want to help....I adore his future fiance and want her to have the best!

I thought I might humbly appeal for some opinions on one that caught my eye.
Radiant 1.51
Color H, Clarity VS1
GIA certified
Depth 62.2
Table 62
Girdle-Medium to thick
Culet-None
Polish-Excellent
Symmetry-Very Good
Flour-None
Measurements - 7.35 x 6.41 x 3.99
Length / Width Ratio - 1.15

Problem is one website refers to it as a "premium" cut while the other says "fair". I know it is the same stone from the GIA report. I also realize cut is not a GIA element, but was wondering why there would be such a large discrepancy on the cut. Their difference is price on this stone is $800.

Any comments on the stone....would you push ahead for more details? What would be a fair price range?

Thanks in advance
LittleSis

 

[pearcrazy]

I found the diamond on Blue Nile but didn't see which other vendor had the diamond listed. Blue Nile as a general rule is higher in price for the identical stone as other vendors although $800 is really a big difference. If you are wanting a great cut check out this beauty listed at DCD as part of their signature series radiant. F color SI1 clarity for a lot less. Granted it's a smaller diamond (1.37) and a little more rectangular but the picture looks gorgeous and the price seems great at $7311. F, SI1 7.62 x 5.79 x 3.81

http://www.dirtcheapdiamonds.com/diamond_detail.cfm?did=7148995

 

[climber]

The problem may be in the crown height %. Get the information from the seller and compare to the AGA information found at this link: http://www.gemappraisers.com/chartFrameset.htm, in the upper right hand side of the page choose "Radiant". It appears that you are after a grade 1A. If so the diamond you are looking at with the appropriate crown should be a great stone!!

The stone you are looking at appears as if it may be offered at Blue Nile. Even if the crown falls in the 1A area they could be calling this stone a fair cut because is does not fall into the widely excepted US domestic average cut measurments. The Subjectivity of fancy shapes like this boggle the mind.

Let me know what the crown % is and I will be able to help you with average price.

This stone on Blue Nile is listed at approx. $8800.00. I feel this would be a good buy for you if the crown information is OK in relationship to all the other regions of the stone. But of course as many on this sight will recommend be sure to get a second opinion from an experienced and accredited appraiser. I Prefer appraisers that do not trade or sell diamonds.

Brad

 

[alexah]

Here's a good one to compare the one you've selected to: GOG's 1.51 H VS1

...and then there's this GOG's 1.44ct G VS2 for a bit less $...

GOG gives you all the info so you almost know what you're getting before you actually see it

 

[valeria101]

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On 9/26/2004 1:23:10 PM LittleSis wrote:



... was wondering why there would be such a large discrepancy on the cut.
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This is just saying that there is no standard for radiant cut quality. Just that simple.

Unfortunately, neither seller (DCD and BN) goes into much detail to explain why they consider some fancy cut diamonds better cut than others. Neither DCD not BN can predict exactly what this stone looks like by the GIA numbers.

It would be nice to use an independent cut grading system (as oposed to the seller'sopinion). For rads, this can be iether AGA or the standard for the branded radiant cut. Otherwise, why not take a look ?

Hopefully DCD could come up with an Ideal Scope picture of this one.

 

[sparkler29]

The experts here can certainly give you better advice than me in terms of stones, but I just wanted to say that I think it's really cool that you're helping your brother out! Good luck in your search - you're sure to find the perfect diamond with the help of PriceScopers

 

[LittleSis]

I found out some more details from one of the vendors.....I need some assistance interpreting....
crown angle average 26.5 (with ranges from 24-28.3)
crown height 10.3%
pavillion depth 46.5%

By plugging in the crown height % on gemappraisers.com, I get all 1a's except for crown height which is a 2a. Not too bad right?

But the pavillion depth bothers me because I read the tutorial on GoodOldGold last night and it appears that it should be under 45% (otherwise light will reflect off one side, only to escape out the bottom of the other side).

The sarin gave slightly different measurements as well....it came up as 1.532 carats and the table came up as 61 rather than 62.....not the biggest vartiances and both in my favor (i think).

So can anyone give more feedback based on these extra details? I sure would appreciate it.

Original info:
Radiant 1.51
Color H, Clarity VS1
GIA certified
Depth 62.2
Table 62
Girdle-Medium to thick
Culet-None
Polish-Excellent
Symmetry-Very Good
Flour-None
Measurements - 7.35 x 6.41 x 3.99
Length / Width Ratio - 1.15

Thanks,
Kim

 

[LittleSis]

Anyone with any thoughts on the new crown/pavillion info I posted? Thanks!

 

[Todd07]

can the vendor supply a firescope/idealscope image?

 

[climber]

Do you think the stone has a price reduction due to the crown 2A problem. Compare this stone to others on the web with all 1A cutting. If this one is priced right you may want to go for it. The crown percentage problem may decrease the dispersion or fire.

 

[LittleSis]

Brad.....I'm not quite sure about the effect of the crown height on this radiant. I think this is about the best priced radiant I have seen. The other dealer that has it is affinitydiamonds.com and they price it at 7,970, an $800 difference from BlueNile. Usually the $ variance is not that great (10%) between these 2 dealers so that just reaffirms the observations of many contributors on this forum that there is such variation in interpreting radiant stones.

Alexah, I had checked out the radiants online with GOG about 1 hour before you had posted. They definitely look appealing. Believe it or not I live in Massapequa and they are less than a mile away. I'm sure we'll be visiting soon

We also checked out some radiants at wholesalers on 47th st. in NY. My brother is partial to a 1.61 E color SI1 clarity radiant that was absolutely stunning....the best we have seen yet. So we are getting closer!!

Thanks to all for the help.

 

[climber]

Hey sorry for the late reply!!




For radiants right now it is a buyers market. These stones should have some really good price reductions due to dealer and cutters stocks are high. Don't be afraid to get your specifications and go down to 47th st. or have your brother and make some deals. Most of these dealers NOW on the web are spending so much money to operate business that better prices may be found elsewhere. Find a dealer with a low cost of operation, give them the exact spec's and see what happens. You know enough about the material not to get taken so go for it!! you might save another $1000.00 who knows. But get this done soon before the holiday season approaches. Prices will hold firm closer to Xmas.

 

[valeria101]

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On 10/3/2004 10:05:41 PM climber wrote:




Most of these dealers NOW on the web are spending so much money to operate business that better prices may be found elsewhere.

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Curiously, this exact argument was used abut 1000 times to motivate lower WWW prices versus BM. And the grocer around the corner uses it too 'cause he has a smaller shop than the next.

...better without the line