Light leakage? - help!

[once_in_a_lifetime]

Hi everyone, i've been a long time pricescope lurker and have learnt SO much from this site. I finally decided to take the plunge and have my eye on this diamond.

There appears to be some light leakage under the table and I'm wondering if this is going to be a huge problem IRL. Any thoughts/comments help would be greatly appreciated as I'm relatively clueless! thanks so much

table: 58%
depth: 61.9%
crown: 35
pavilion: 41

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Is the stone graded AGS 0 for light performance? It is obviously not to the level of perfection that one would expect from an ACA or anyone's signature H&A stones, but it is a nice stone and I am doubtful that you can actually see anything negative with your eyes. I just think you have to be comfortable with not having perfection, and that is perfectly fine if you are!

 

[once_in_a_lifetime]

hi DS thanks for the reply. No the stone is gia xxx but I've read in quite a few places that that doesnt guarantee no detrimental leakage (hence my concern).

i definitely dont need a perfect stone (for this price) but am just concerned that the leakage may be noticeable.

 

[kenny]

I'd pass on that diamond and keep shopping because it scores over 2.0 on the HCA.
https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca

HCA is step 1 to weed out poor performers, scores over 2.0.
Step 2: Idealscope is needed because the crown and pavilion angles are averages of 8 angles each … and HCA will reveal if there are problems.

Unfortunately GIA's top cut grade of Excellent includes some unfortunate combination of proportions.

 

[Dancing Fire]

not one of their best stone...

 

[diamondgezer]

hi DS thanks for the reply. No the stone is gia xxx but I've read in quite a few places that that doesnt guarantee no detrimental leakage (hence my concern).

i definitely dont need a perfect stone (for this price) but am just concerned that the leakage may be noticeable.

The key phrase here is 'for this price'

The response from people who have far more experience than me tells you that there could be better stones.

BUT As Diamondseeker says 'doubtful if you can actually see anything with your eyes I just think you have to be comfortable with not having perfection, and that is perfectly fine if you are!'

Well that goes for d color and fl clarity also

I think there are posts in the archives where trade people have discussed/commented on thresholds above which leakage can be detected by the eyes and I think you are probably in the comfort zone even allowing for GIA rounding . Someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong.

You don't tell us the price so people can't comment on price/quality

BUT for what it's worth my wife has a GIA graded xxx with 57 table, 35 ca, 41 pa and she loves it!!! (we never had asset/idealscope on it)

You don't say where you/vendor are, but if you think it's a good deal then how about checking the return policy of vendor and getting the stone in your hands?? If you seen the actual stone and are happy (even with the 'for the price' qualifier) I'd say go for it!!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

For the record, my last RB was also a 35/41 combo. I certainly couldn't see a bit of leakage with my eyes, even though the images showed a little. Yes, you can certainly find stones with better images. But I don't even look at HCA numbers when I have the images of the stone. If this is a WF stone, are there any others with the specs you are aiming for?

 

[JulieN]

You'd have to ask WF if it is visible.

 

[Lorelei]

You'd have to ask WF if it is visible.

Ditto Jules and DS. WF will be able to advise and tell you if the leakage seen on image would be visible when the ring is set and on the finger, I take it this diamond is intended for a ring? It is possible the overall cut precision isn't as crisp as with some stones and due to GIA's rounding of proportions, that there is a little swing that is causing the leakage effect seen on the images. But it might not be a big deal at all, I am only speculating and giving you my thoughts. If you want a diamond with perfect images and optics to boot, then this might not be the one, but if WF tell you there is no loss of performance or beauty to the human eye, then it could be absolutely fine and if the price is right.

 

[diamondgezer]

Hi
I'm intrigued as to how some of you experienced guys suspect/know this a WF stone?? Don't see any reference to the vendor anywhere!! Can someone enlighten me please.

 

[Lorelei]

Hi
I'm intrigued as to how some of you experienced guys suspect/know this a WF stone?? Don't see any reference to the vendor anywhere!! Can someone enlighten me please.

Hi DG!

For regulars, it's pretty easy to know, we are so used to working with the various image styles from all the vendors that we can often tell who they are from. You can also tell from the images in some cases if a particular diamond is from a vendor's signature lines or otherwise.

 

[diamondgezer]

Thanks Lorelei.
Maybe after another 30 or 40000 posts I'll get there with you guys to help!!!

 

[Lorelei]

Thanks Lorelei.
Maybe after another 30 or 40000 posts I'll get there with you guys to help!!!

LOL! Diamondgeezer, please, jump right in and help if you would like to! It's always good to have input from trade experts for many reasons, it benefits all concerned, so I hope you will chime in with your knowledge and experience whenever the mood takes you!

 

[diamondgezer]

Thanks Lorelei.
Maybe after another 30 or 40000 posts I'll get there with you guys to help!!!

LOL! Diamondgeezer, please, jump right in and help if you would like to! It's always good to have input from trade experts for many reasons, it benefits all concerned, so I hope you will chime in with your knowledge and experience whenever the mood takes you!

Oops is there something else I'm not seeing?? Trade I'm not, knowledge I have little, experience I have less!!!

I know that sometimes new members inadvertently get 'trade' plugged under their avatar but I don't see that for me.

 

[Lorelei]

Thanks Lorelei.
Maybe after another 30 or 40000 posts I'll get there with you guys to help!!!

LOL! Diamondgeezer, please, jump right in and help if you would like to! It's always good to have input from trade experts for many reasons, it benefits all concerned, so I hope you will chime in with your knowledge and experience whenever the mood takes you!

Oops is there something else I'm not seeing?? Trade I'm not, knowledge I have little, experience I have less!!!

I know that sometimes new members inadvertently get 'trade' plugged under their avatar but I don't see that for me.

LOL! My mistake, there is a vendor out there with a similar name, I must have thought they had popped up on the forum

But no matter, if you have anything to contribute, go right ahead and jump in! I always find even brand new posters can have a tremendous amount of knowledge as they have been lurking and reading for some time, even for years, or they just pick things up quickly!

 

[diamondgezer]

Thanks Lorelei.
Maybe after another 30 or 40000 posts I'll get there with you guys to help!!!

LOL! Diamondgeezer, please, jump right in and help if you would like to! It's always good to have input from trade experts for many reasons, it benefits all concerned, so I hope you will chime in with your knowledge and experience whenever the mood takes you!

Oops is there something else I'm not seeing?? Trade I'm not, knowledge I have little, experience I have less!!!

I know that sometimes new members inadvertently get 'trade' plugged under their avatar but I don't see that for me.

LOL! My mistake, there is a vendor out there with a similar name, I must have thought they had popped up on the forum

But no matter, if you have anything to contribute, go right ahead and jump in! I always find even brand new posters can have a tremendous amount of knowledge as they have been lurking and reading for some time, even for years, or they just pick things up quickly!

Ha Ha It's an honour (maybe??) being mistaken for a diamond vendor, but, as I believe you're from UK, I should tell you my avatar is more to do with David Jason than real diamond vendors!!! (but I'm not really a conman - honest guv!!)

 

[Lorelei]

[ quickly!

Ha Ha It's an honour (maybe??) being mistaken for a diamond vendor, but, as I believe you're from UK, I should tell you my avatar is more to do with David Jason than real diamond vendors!!! (but I'm not really a conman - honest guv!!)

LOL! Do you drive a yellow Robin Reliant??

 

[diamondgezer]

[ quickly!

Ha Ha It's an honour (maybe??) being mistaken for a diamond vendor, but, as I believe you're from UK, I should tell you my avatar is more to do with David Jason than real diamond vendors!!! (but I'm not really a conman - honest guv!!)

LOL! Do you drive a yellow Robin Reliant??

..... And I wear a Batman outfit - oops bang goes my secret persona!!

Enough of this silliness - sorry OP!!!!

 

[Lorelei]

[ quickly!

Ha Ha It's an honour (maybe??) being mistaken for a diamond vendor, but, as I believe you're from UK, I should tell you my avatar is more to do with David Jason than real diamond vendors!!! (but I'm not really a conman - honest guv!!)

LOL! Do you drive a yellow Robin Reliant??

..... And I wear a Batman outfit - oops bang goes my secret persona!!

Enough of this silliness - sorry OP!!!!

 

[once_in_a_lifetime]

thanks so much for all the kind advice. I woke up this morning and was amazed to see so many replies!

i understand its not perfect from a HCA or image perspective but at the same time this stone is ~30% cheaper than an ideal H&A of similar colour/clarity

Was trying to see if anyone on here has bought something similar (and am really grateful for all the people who've responded with similar 35/41 RBs!) and lived with it.

I've spoken to wf and they said its not a big deal at all.. i'm guessing the optics of the diamond when set in a ring will be slightly different from the naked diamond? I'm thinking about a simple u-113

 

[Lorelei]

thanks so much for all the kind advice. I woke up this morning and was amazed to see so many replies!

i understand its not perfect from a HCA or image perspective but at the same time this stone is ~30% cheaper than an ideal H&A of similar colour/clarity

Was trying to see if anyone on here has bought something similar (and am really grateful for all the people who've responded with similar 35/41 RBs!) and lived with it.

I've spoken to wf and they said its not a big deal at all.. i'm guessing the optics of the diamond when set in a ring will be slightly different from the naked diamond? I'm thinking about a simple u-113

I am glad you are pleased with the help you were getting and I apologize for hijacking your thread!

Back to business! To put this into perspective, this diamond is far better than the vast majority of stones you will ever see, it is still a very finely cut stone and if WF have said the small amount of leakage shown on the image is not of concern, I would tend to trust their opinion. You can always send the diamond to an independent appraiser during the return period to get their opinion on it and it's optics if you wish and that would give you a third party opinion you might find to be very reassuring, plus the detailed appraisal would be very useful for insurance purposes.

Also yes, I have seen many similar diamonds bought over the years with also similar images and proportions and delighted owners, I would find that WF say there is no issue with the slight leakage seen on image to be a definite positive, the price is right for you as is everything else and you have obviously been working hard at researching this purchase, I think you are fine.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

thanks so much for all the kind advice. I woke up this morning and was amazed to see so many replies!

i understand its not perfect from a HCA or image perspective but at the same time this stone is ~30% cheaper than an ideal H&A of similar colour/clarity

Was trying to see if anyone on here has bought something similar (and am really grateful for all the people who've responded with similar 35/41 RBs!) and lived with it.

I've spoken to wf and they said its not a big deal at all.. i'm guessing the optics of the diamond when set in a ring will be slightly different from the naked diamond? I'm thinking about a simple u-113

Mine was in a Vatche U-113 as well. Here is my thread if you'd like to see a GIA XXX diamond with those angles and a 58 table set.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/new-1-58-g-vs1-from-gog-in-vatche-u-113-tiffany-repro.171351/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/new-1-58-g-vs1-from-gog-in-vatche-u-113-tiffany-repro.171351/[/URL]

 

[once_in_a_lifetime]

lorelei no problem at all - i think we should persuade diamondgeezer to upload a photo of himself in a batman outfit!

yes i was thinking of getting it appraised.. will have to think about that

thanks for the link DS i have to admit i've already seen and was inspired by your thread.. hence the u-113 and G colour choice! I didnt realise your diamond is also a 58%/35-41 diamond. That gives me quite a lot of comfort...

If you dont mind me asking.. did the idealscope/aset images for your stone show similar levels of leakage under the table?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

lorelei no problem at all - i think we should persuade diamondgeezer to upload a photo of himself in a batman outfit!

yes i was thinking of getting it appraised.. will have to think about that

thanks for the link DS i have to admit i've already seen and was inspired by your thread.. hence the u-113 and G colour choice! I didnt realise your diamond is also a 58%/35-41 diamond. That gives me quite a lot of comfort...

If you dont mind me asking.. did the idealscope/aset images for your stone show similar levels of leakage under the table?

Just FYI, I have not had any diamonds appraised bought from WF or GOG because they are providing enough information without doing so. I'd only appraise diamonds that I had no images for and only a GIA grading report or that I bought second hand or inherited. It is certainly fine to do so. I just wanted to apply that money elsewhere!

Mine definitely had the little white area like yours does and that was not visible and represents the greatest leakage. It may have been more pink in the center circle. But I believe WF if they say the leakage is not visible because these images are SO highly magnified and the area is very small in reality. I did try to find the page with the diamond to show you the images, but it is no longer on their site.

 

[once_in_a_lifetime]

thanks a lot DS. Will have another chat with them on monday before deciding and will certainly let everyone know what happens

 

[JulieN]

The optics when viewing with two eyes (stereo vision) is different than when viewing with one eye (mono vision.)

 

[once_in_a_lifetime]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6gfc7an5VQ

they've just posted a video of the diamond. i'd be grateful for any thoughts/comments!

 

[Lorelei]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6gfc7an5VQ

they've just posted a video of the diamond. i'd be grateful for any thoughts/comments!

It's absolutely beyond stunning. Please excuse me while I mop drool off the floor.....

 

[once_in_a_lifetime]

thanks lorelei and everyone for your help. I decided to go for it!

 

[Lorelei]

thanks lorelei and everyone for your help. I decided to go for it!

* pulls hair with envy...*

MANY congratulations to you, that is the most fantastic diamond, I don't blame you for grabbing it! Please if you can, post lots of photos of this stunner when you have it, it was our pleasure to assist and play a part in your journey.