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A few things...

the longer the charges of racism continue, the greater the backlash, and the more likely to foment real racism.

So being called a racist makes you a racist? Interesting, this is 1st page news stuff.

One group (the most powerful, the in-group: Democrats and liberals) targets an opposing group (Republicans and conservatives) and blames them for all the problems of society—economic ills, racial conflicts, cultural clashes, even personal struggles and unhappiness.

Doesn't this happen the exact same way in reverse as well? Like actually right now? Aren't conservatives saying its the Dems causing racial tensions between police and blacks? That Obama isn't doing enough and it's all his fault? :confused:

That’s how they win. Anything that threatens that power will be stigmatized with the label of racism (or sexism, homophobia, etc.) and devalued to the point of complete impotency. You’re a bigot, not because you actually are a one; you’re a bigot by the sheer force of social labeling.

Bigot: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
So hating/shunning/killing someone because they are gay, trans, female, black, etc doesn't make you a bigot? Whaaat? That isn't social labeling, that's just...being intolerant.

For conservatives to successfully de-stigmatize their identity, they must do something that is not happening right now. They must unite with all stigmatized out-groups. Everyone who opposes the Left has been labeled by the same brand. To fight back, they must unite, overcoming differences to face a common enemy.

What the actual f*ck? So to win against the liberals, you must gather all the KKK, westboro, etc and band together? Is that actually what theyre saying is going to make them better? Holy shit.
 

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Yeah, I don't have time right now, but I think I'm going to be forced to respond somewhat to this one.

The tone of this piece is pretty much what I expect these days though, a MASSIVE MASSIVE blubbering persecution complex. And by now, everyone here should know how I view whining - I'm not a fan, and I'm not gentle about it.

And how anyone could say that whites - with the wind at their backs for centuries in this country, and police - as the armored and armed enforcement arm of the status quo - are "out groups" simply boggles the mind.

Gotta go for now. Back later.
 

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So the only disenfranchised group is the KKK? Libs like to bring them up as if conservatives have a different view of the KKK than they do. You can drop the pretense; you know no one is supporting the KKK.
The discussion of race would be better focused on why so many people of color live in poverty and dangerous neighborhoods with failing schools. The Democrats have been in charge of those inner cities for decades and have not helped. Why is that?
People are more alike than different. I think it's poverty rather than skin color that harms those of color. Too many black men are in jail, not because of color, but because of poverty.
 

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I think what you're referring to also has something to do with institutional racism. The fact that a white person and a black person will get widly different sentences for the exact same crime/criminal history. That certainly contributes to different %s of races within prison.

Also, please note that to say things like 'we are more alike than we are different' (pretty similar to 'I don't see colour') comes from a place of privilege (white privilege). Someone disenfranchised might not look at it the same way.
 

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telephone89|1472246119|4070347 said:
I think what you're referring to also has something to do with institutional racism. The fact that a white person and a black person will get widly different sentences for the exact same crime/criminal history. That certainly contributes to different %s of races within prison.

Also, please note that to say things like 'we are more alike than we are different' (pretty similar to 'I don't see colour') comes from a place of privilege (white privilege). Someone disenfranchised might not look at it the same way.
I stand by our being more alike than different. Humans have the same needs. Beyond the most basic needs, we all need acceptance, belonging, love, etc. People are people.
 

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I listened to a fairly lengthy interview conducted by Jared Rizzi, the White House correspondent of the radio station POTUS, with Jared Taylor today. I have heard Jared Taylor's view of race from people, perhaps I should say I have read it, before. I must say that I thought he was very articulate and well-spoken, although his viewpoint and mine could not be farther apart. He contends that although he believes that ethnic groups should remain separate, that he is the truest believer in diversity because he wishes to keep each ethnic group that exists continuing, which it would not not if it were mixed with others. He also believes that he is not a racist because he thinks that there is no immorality in stating, as he does, the truth: e.g. that black people are not as intelligent as white people and that North Asians are very intelligent. he states that these are proven facts. He also says that although he supports Donald trump, that Donald Trump does not support him and that there is no reason to suppose that Donald Trump supports everything that his program does.

Although his viewpoint repelled me, I found it consistent and I found him intelligent.

Link...https://soundcloud.com/siriusxm-news-issues/jared-taylor-wjared-rizzi-clintons-speech-re-alt-right

AGBF
 

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AnnaH|1472235290|4070293 said:
They are far better at marketing than Republicans.
No.
Libs are just right.

Eventually good tends to triumph.
 

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Covert racism is a complex issue. This blog post gives the most narrow and self-serving view of this issue possible and then the writer proceeds to attempt to brainwash the reader with a rant based on this narrow view.

For anyone who believes this writer, I encourage you to research covert and subtle racism.
 

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Hillary Clinton did a great job in pointing out the history of racism in Donald Trump's campaign; his family's and his individual businesses; and his associates' businesses with this speech. I found this a good read. The article is excerpted.

"RENO, Nev. — Hillary Clinton delivered a blistering denunciation Thursday of Donald J. Trump’s personal and political history with race, arguing in her most forceful terms yet that a nationalist conservative fringe had engulfed the Republican Party.

In a 31-minute address, building to a controlled simmer, Mrs. Clinton did everything but call Mr. Trump a racist outright — saying he had promoted 'racist lie' after 'racist lie,' pushed conspiracy theories with 'racist undertones' and heartened racists across the country by submitting to an 'emerging racist ideology known as the alt-right.'

'He is taking hate groups mainstream,' Mrs. Clinton told supporters at a community college here, 'and helping a radical fringe take over the Republican Party.'

Mrs. Clinton said that while a racially charged and 'paranoid fringe' had always existed in politics, 'it’s never had the nominee of a major party stoking it, encouraging it and giving it a national megaphone, until now.'

Mrs. Clinton’s remarks coincide with a conspicuous shift in strategy from Mr. Trump, who has spoken with more compassion about people in the country illegally and expressed a desire to win African-American support. He has even suggested he might revisit his call to deport 11 million immigrants in the United States illegally, a pivot seen as an attempt to draw in moderate voters turned off by his views.

With Mr. Trump’s rise, Mrs. Clinton has often struck a have-you-no-sense-of-decency theme in her critiques — warning sternly and repeatedly that the arc of his candidacy transcended standard political attack. But her effort on Thursday was remarkable for its exhaustive accounting of Mr. Trump’s controversial racial history in business and in his presidential campaign.

Mrs. Clinton detailed the Justice Department’s housing discrimination case against Mr. Trump during the 1970s, noting that the applications of black and Latino residents 'would be marked with a ‘C’ — ‘C’ for colored.'

She said state regulators had fined a Trump casino for repeatedly removing black dealers from the floor and reminded the audience of Mr. Trump’s promotion of 'birtherism,' questioning President Obama’s birthplace.

She recalled his opening salvo in the Republican primary, calling Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals when he announced his candidacy, and his more recent suggestion that a judge with a Mexican heritage could not be impartial in hearing a case involving Trump University.

'This is someone who retweets white supremacists online,' Mrs. Clinton said, citing a posting by someone with the user name 'WhiteGenocideTM.' 'Trump took this fringe bigot with a few dozen followers and spread his message to 11 million people.'


By the end, Mrs. Clinton was quoting headlines from the Breitbart News website, which is overseen by Mr. Trump’s new campaign chief, Stephen K. Bannon.

'I’m not making this up,' she warned, before digging into the site’s archives: 'Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy'; 'Would You Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer?'; 'Hoist It High and Proud: The Confederate Flag Proclaims a Glorious Heritage.'

The address came a week after Mr. Trump hired Mr. Bannon, who has eagerly described the site as 'the platform for the alt-right' — a loosely defined and contested term often associated with white nationalist and anti-immigrant sentiment.

'The de facto merger between Breitbart and the Trump campaign represents a landmark achievement for the alt-right,' Mrs. Clinton said."

Link...http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/26/us/politics/hillary-clinton-speech.html?_r=0
AGBF
 

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AGBF|1472262230|4070427 said:
By the end, Mrs. Clinton was quoting headlines from the Breitbart News website, which is overseen by Mr. Trump’s new campaign chief, Stephen K. Bannon.

'I’m not making this up,' she warned, before digging into the site’s archives: 'Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy'; 'Would You Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer?'; 'Hoist It High and Proud: The Confederate Flag Proclaims a Glorious Heritage.'
While we are discussing Mr. Bannon, maybe we should mention that these swipes at women made by his news website should take no one by surprise. The man's own background is replete with misogyny.

"...Mr. Bannon brings to the post his own bumpy background that includes misdemeanor charges of domestic violence and allegations that he threatened his then wife, the accuser, with retribution if she testified in the criminal case, according to a police report of the incident and court records obtained by The New York Times.

The charges date back two decades to the end of a troubled marriage in Santa Monica, Calif., when Mr. Bannon’s wife, Mary Louise Piccard, claimed that he had attacked her at their home.

He was charged in February 1996 with domestic violence, battery and attempting to dissuade a victim from reporting a crime, but the case was dropped when Ms. Piccard did not show up in court. In court records, Ms. Piccard later claimed that Mr. Bannon instructed her to leave town to avoid testifying.

Mr. Bannon, she said, told her that 'if I went to court he and his attorney would make sure that I would be the one who was guilty.'

Mr. Bannon’s lawyer, she said, 'threatened me,' telling her that if Mr. Bannon went to jail, she 'would have no money and no way to support the children.'

Ms. Piccard said that she complied, fleeing with the two children she shares with Mr. Bannon until his 'attorney phoned me and told me I could come back.'

Mr. Bannon, who pleaded not guilty, declined to be interviewed. Asked whether Ms. Piccard’s description of the attack and the threat were true, his spokeswoman, Alexandra Preate, declined to respond, adding that Mr. Bannon has 'a great relationship' with his ex-wife and their daughters. The case was first reported by The New York Post.

Mr. Bannon’s lawyer, Steven Mandell, said in an interview that he called Ms. Piccard while she was out of town to inform her the case had been dismissed, but denied pressuring her not to testify. 'It’s possible that Steve Bannon said that to her, but I did not,' Mr. Mandell said.

Ms. Piccard did not respond to messages left with her lawyer and a relative.

As chairman of the Breitbart News website, Mr. Bannon has been viewed as a conservative provocateur, making incendiary comments on a range of topics. He called Gretchen Carlson’s sexual harassment case against former Fox News chairman Roger Ailes a 'total dud,' and claimed the existence of a 'militant-feminist legal wrecking crew.'

According to the police report, it was New Year’s Day in 1996 when Ms. Piccard called 911 from the Santa Monica home she shared with Mr. Bannon and their infant twin daughters.

Police arrived to find Ms. Piccard visibly upset, with red marks on her neck and wrist, the report said. She told police that Mr. Bannon had spent the previous night sleeping on the sofa. The next morning, she said, the noise she made feeding their daughters and his refusal to provide a credit card for grocery shopping started a fight that spilled onto the driveway.

When Mr. Bannon attempted to leave in his car, Ms. Piccard spat at him. That’s when Mr. Bannon became aggressive, she told police. He grabbed her wrist and then her neck, she said.

'He pulled her down as if he was trying to pull her into the car, over the door,' the report said. She said she struck back until she was able to break free and run into the house with Mr. Bannon in pursuit.

When Ms. Piccard picked up the phone and dialed police, Mr. Bannon grabbed it from her hands and threw it across the room, shattering it into pieces, she said.

When the police arrived, Mr. Bannon was gone. Ms. Piccard told police she and Mr. Bannon had a turbulent six-and-a-half year relationship. Early on, there were three or four 'arguments that became physical' and they had been going to counseling. She said the arguing had continued, but that the violence had stopped — until that day.

Police photographed the marks on her neck and wrist, and noted that the phone was in pieces, the report said.

The Santa Monica city attorney brought charges against Mr. Bannon, and he was served with a domestic violence protective order, court records show. But that August, when the case came to trial, prosecutors were forced to dismiss the charges because the victim, their main witness, was 'unable to be located,' according to the records."
 

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AGBF|1472262230|4070427 said:
Mrs. Clinton’s remarks coincide with a conspicuous shift in strategy from Mr. Trump, who has spoken with more compassion about people in the country illegally and expressed a desire to win African-American support. He has even suggested he might revisit his call to deport 11 million immigrants in the United States illegally, a pivot seen as an attempt to draw in moderate voters turned off by his views.

AGBF
He is wasting his time courting the black votes.
 

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Dancing Fire|1472264255|4070433 said:
AGBF|1472262230|4070427 said:
Mrs. Clinton’s remarks coincide with a conspicuous shift in strategy from Mr. Trump, who has spoken with more compassion about people in the country illegally and expressed a desire to win African-American support. He has even suggested he might revisit his call to deport 11 million immigrants in the United States illegally, a pivot seen as an attempt to draw in moderate voters turned off by his views.

AGBF
He is wasting his time courting the black votes.
Redwood found two who like him.
 

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AGBF|1472264504|4070437 said:
Dancing Fire|1472264255|4070433 said:
AGBF|1472262230|4070427 said:
Mrs. Clinton’s remarks coincide with a conspicuous shift in strategy from Mr. Trump, who has spoken with more compassion about people in the country illegally and expressed a desire to win African-American support. He has even suggested he might revisit his call to deport 11 million immigrants in the United States illegally, a pivot seen as an attempt to draw in moderate voters turned off by his views.

AGBF
He is wasting his time courting the black votes.
Redwood found two who like him.
Yes, Ben Carson and Herman Cain. :think: I can't come up with the third AA person who would vote for Trump..
 

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AGBF|1472250486|4070370 said:
I listened to a fairly lengthy interview conducted by Jared Rizzi, the White House correspondent of the radio station POTUS, with Jared Taylor today. I have heard Jared Taylor's view of race from people, perhaps I should say I have read it, before. I must say that I thought he was very articulate and well-spoken, although his viewpoint and mine could not be farther apart. He contends that although he believes that ethnic groups should remain separate, that he is the truest believer in diversity because he wishes to keep each ethnic group that exists continuing, which it would not not if it were mixed with others. He also believes that he is not a racist because he thinks that there is no immorality in stating, as he does, the truth: e.g. that black people are not as intelligent as white people and that North Asians are very intelligent. he states that these are proven facts. He also says that although he supports Donald trump, that Donald Trump does not support him and that there is no reason to suppose that Donald Trump supports everything that his program does.

Although his viewpoint repelled me, I found it consistent and I found him intelligent.

Link...https://soundcloud.com/siriusxm-news-issues/jared-taylor-wjared-rizzi-clintons-speech-re-alt-right

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AG, that was an excellent summery. Wish I had not bothered to listen. :shock:
 

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Dancing Fire|1472264996|4070440 said:
AGBF|1472264504|4070437 said:
Dancing Fire|1472264255|4070433 said:
AGBF|1472262230|4070427 said:
Mrs. Clinton’s remarks coincide with a conspicuous shift in strategy from Mr. Trump, who has spoken with more compassion about people in the country illegally and expressed a desire to win African-American support. He has even suggested he might revisit his call to deport 11 million immigrants in the United States illegally, a pivot seen as an attempt to draw in moderate voters turned off by his views.

AGBF
He is wasting his time courting the black votes.
Redwood found two who like him.
Yes, Ben Carson and Herman Cain. :think: I can't come up with the third AA person who would vote for Trump..

I know of one who MAY be voting for him. I haven't asked (I just don't have the relationship with them to ask). But they are lifelong Republicans and are very wealthy. And from what I have observed in the past, they tend to vote their wallet. THAT said, they are one of the touchiest people I know on the race issue (minefield) so if I found out they were not voting for Trump, I also wouldn't be surprised. And frankly, it would make me respect them more.

Still, I haven't asked. I may ask him wife though.
 

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My right wing cousin is racist. He calls Obama a black panther and posts clearly photoshopped photos of him and says "makes you wonder who's side he's on lol" (typo his) and when I say it's photoshopped he won't believe me.

When he met my fiancé (who is black) he immediately asked his ethnicity and called him a mutt, Heinz 57 sauce. "But it's ok because we are wops!"

It's insufferable.


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I dispute the statement that liberals are better at marketing.

Why? Because on social issues like these liberals are just more progressive. And that's human nature: to progress. Liberals aren't better at marketing. They are just on the right side of history on these issues. While many Republicans (as opposed to conservatives who are libertarian, for example) are vehemently opposed to social change period; clinging to "tradition" or whatever excuse it is they use to justify their refusal of change.

That's not propaganda. That's just evolution. A dirty word with Republicans.
 

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AnnaH|1472329466|4070661 said:
AGBF|1472250486|4070370 said:
I listened to a fairly lengthy interview conducted by Jared Rizzi, the White House correspondent of the radio station POTUS, with Jared Taylor today. I have heard Jared Taylor's view of race from people, perhaps I should say I have read it, before. I must say that I thought he was very articulate and well-spoken, although his viewpoint and mine could not be farther apart. He contends that although he believes that ethnic groups should remain separate, that he is the truest believer in diversity because he wishes to keep each ethnic group that exists continuing, which it would not not if it were mixed with others. He also believes that he is not a racist because he thinks that there is no immorality in stating, as he does, the truth: e.g. that black people are not as intelligent as white people and that North Asians are very intelligent. he states that these are proven facts. He also says that although he supports Donald trump, that Donald Trump does not support him and that there is no reason to suppose that Donald Trump supports everything that his program does.

Although his viewpoint repelled me, I found it consistent and I found him intelligent.

Link...https://soundcloud.com/siriusxm-news-issues/jared-taylor-wjared-rizzi-clintons-speech-re-alt-right
AG, that was an excellent summery. Wish I had not bothered to listen. :shock:
Thanks and I feel for you, Anna. Hearing him is a bit of a jolt. <smile>
 

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G, progressive and conservative are just labels. When you call an idea progressive, I may or may not agree. I might just see it as different. And I agree that some conservative ideals are just tradition, with little or no real value.
 

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Gypsy|1472342335|4070716 said:
I dispute the statement that liberals are better at marketing.

Why? Because on social issues like these liberals are just more progressive. And that's human nature: to progress. Liberals aren't better at marketing. They are just on the right side of history on these issues. While many Republicans (as opposed to conservatives who are libertarian, for example) are vehemently opposed to social change period; clinging to "tradition" or whatever excuse it is they use to justify their refusal of change.

That's not propaganda. That's just evolution. A dirty word with Republicans.
Yes they are... Obama marketed himself very well with the young college kids.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
 

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Dancing Fire|1472514623|4071293 said:
Gypsy|1472342335|4070716 said:
I dispute the statement that liberals are better at marketing.

Why? Because on social issues like these liberals are just more progressive. And that's human nature: to progress. Liberals aren't better at marketing. They are just on the right side of history on these issues. While many Republicans (as opposed to conservatives who are libertarian, for example) are vehemently opposed to social change period; clinging to "tradition" or whatever excuse it is they use to justify their refusal of change.

That's not propaganda. That's just evolution. A dirty word with Republicans.
Yes they are... Obama marketed himself very well with the young college kids.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

And Trump is courting misogynists, bigots, and evangelicals everywhere. And doing a FABULOUS job of it! That's just the pot calling the kettle black DF.
 

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Gypsy|1472520431|4071318 said:
Dancing Fire|1472514623|4071293 said:
Gypsy|1472342335|4070716 said:
I dispute the statement that liberals are better at marketing.

Why? Because on social issues like these liberals are just more progressive. And that's human nature: to progress. Liberals aren't better at marketing. They are just on the right side of history on these issues. While many Republicans (as opposed to conservatives who are libertarian, for example) are vehemently opposed to social change period; clinging to "tradition" or whatever excuse it is they use to justify their refusal of change.

That's not propaganda. That's just evolution. A dirty word with Republicans.
Yes they are... Obama marketed himself very well with the young college kids.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

And Trump is courting misogynists, bigots, and evangelicals everywhere. And doing a FABULOUS job of it! That's just the pot calling the kettle black DF.
But he still can't beat HC unless he hires me to become his campaign manager ... :bigsmile:
 

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I don't think he'd have any issue hiring you in theory. To date I have seen no evidence that he has any standards at all for his campaign managers. In fact, I'd say you are probably just as inept as the rest of them. That said, you aren't WHITE. Which seems to be his primary criteria. So maybe he wouldn't hire you.

Even if he did hire you'd have to be willing to work for free. Seeing has he doesn't pay the people he hires. :snore:
 

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AnnaH|1472241149|4070325 said:
So the only disenfranchised group is the KKK? Libs like to bring them up as if conservatives have a different view of the KKK than they do. You can drop the pretense; you know no one is supporting the KKK.
The discussion of race would be better focused on why so many people of color live in poverty and dangerous neighborhoods with failing schools
. The Democrats have been in charge of those inner cities for decades and have not helped. Why is that?
People are more alike than different. I think it's poverty rather than skin color that harms those of color. Too many black men are in jail, not because of color, but because of poverty.
lack of jobs.
 

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Gypsy|1472530887|4071357 said:
I don't think he'd have any issue hiring you in theory. To date I have seen no evidence that he has any standards at all for his campaign managers. In fact, I'd say you are probably just as inept as the rest of them. That said, you aren't WHITE. Which seems to be his primary criteria. So maybe he wouldn't hire you.

Even if he did hire you'd have to be willing to work for free. Seeing has he doesn't pay the people he hires. :snore:
I have turn white according to my brother. He's a radical liberal... :wacko:
 

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T, surely you don't think Media Matters is a balanced publication?
 
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