Jubilant Crown

[espodog]

Hello there rock-heads!

This is my first time in the forum and I was hoping I could get a little insight from some of the more experienced people here.

I am in the process of buying an engagement ring for my live in girl friend and have been in and out of jewelers for the past three months. Out of all of them I found one who carries the "jubilant crown" cut. It is a brilliant round with an extra 16 facets on the crown. The price was a little higher than the standard round he had, but it seemed to have a bit more brilliance. He even set it next to an E-SI1, ideal, and you could tell a difference - so this brings me to my first question - is this cut just a fad, or do you think that because it has the same shape as a round, it wound fade out like so many other fancy cuts before it.

Secondly, because the crown is taller to accomodate the extra facets, how does one grade the cut? And third, I am paying 3,100 for it - its a G-VS2, .794 carats, with vg polish and vg symetry (via GIA report). Good buy? Bad buy? What do you guys think?

Thanks a lot for any input on my stone or the "jubilant" in general - there is just so little information on the cut online, besides all of the marketing ( or propaganda?).

thanks

 

[alexah]

Honestly, I don't know much about the JC but I have heard of it before.

Obviously you both really like the cut... and the price does not seem unreasonable for a branded cut...

Tho I wonder who labeled the E he put it next to "ideal"? ...and I wonder, if the G were up against this true ideal cut .79 G SI1 $3145 diamond, how it would fare then...?

 

[alexah]

This cut was mentioned once here previously - in THIS post

 

[espodog]

It was an AGS E....and that stone you linked me was beautifull. But the price keeps going up and up and up and up........I started looking at 2500 range, and over the course of the three month research I've been doing, its grown to this.

By the way it will be a total surprise, so she hasn't seen it yet...I am sure she'll love anything at this point (we've been dating almost 4 years) but I want the most bang (or fire) for my buck.

 

[Superidealist]

I think you need not worry about it going out of style since, in terms of shape, it is not noticably different from a round brilliant. The brand may or may not last but most people will mistake it for a round brilliant anyway. The same can be said of diamonds like the Leo and a raft of others.

My concern had been that the modified facet pattern was just a way to add extra weight, but I've seen the dimensions on a few of these and what I've seen is roughly comparable to round brilliants in terms of spread.

 

[espodog]

the spread is 5.89 - 5.95.....on 79 points thats about right, huh?

 

[alexah]

Yeah

unfortunately the prices do keep going up...

Just curious, was the JC more fiery or brilliant in your opin than a traditional RB? Seems it'd be hard-pressed to beat the fire/brilliance of that SC stone, as you can tell from the bscope/idealscope...

Just givin ya something to think about...

 

[Superidealist]

It's a bit low. I would expect an ideal-cut 0.79ct round brilliant to measure about 6.01mm.

 

[espodog]

yeah..there was a definate difference in the brilliance between the two. Infact, and I don't know if this is a sales pitch or what, but he said there was a machine that actually measures brilliance, and that the JC almost always registered higher than the SC. Fact or fiction?

 

[alexah]

Are you talking about the Brilliance Scope? Click on the SC link I posted above... the report links are on the bottom left, including the BS

 

[espodog]

no....not a brilliance scope, but an actual machine, kind of like the ones they use to measure color.

 

[alexah]

the BS is an actual machine luv - check it out HERE

 

[espodog]

ohh...as you can tell, i'm kind new at this. thanks hon....good info! Gonna read for a second.

 

[alexah]

take your time... hang out on GOG's site & read a bit - you'll learn a lot - it's really well-done

 

[valeria101]

Congratulations for the decision to go for the ring. Four years IS a long time, believe me

Extra facets and good overall light return sounds... good to me. Some may judge the different look of such a diamond as "not different enough" from the traditional round cut (taking both models at their best). But for you the difference matters, so why not, actually.

The Bscope is good refference, but no tool is ever going to measure what you like, hopefully

You ask if the high crown makes for a lower cut grade... This is not a traditional RBC - so why grade this cut by RBC standards anyway. Based on size and brilliance you could compare diamons of different shapes, IMO. And this one passes the comparison. The extra 0.1mm is not something I would care much about, and the stone compared favorably with an ideal round. What more could one want

What is the setting going to be?

 

[espodog]

do you think I should check it out under a firescope? or would it matter because it is not a traditional round?

 

[espodog]

ohh...and one other thing, if you are a member of the smarter gender, which I am assuming, what is your favorite setting (channel set, pauvet(sp?), etc), and what should I look for in heads? Four prong over six? and why?

Jeremy

 

[valeria101]

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On 9/17/2004 4:32:24 PM espodog wrote:

ohh...and one other thing, what is your favorite setting (channel set, pave(sp?), etc), and what should I look for in heads? Four prong over six? and why?

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What's the "smarter gender" ? Haven't seen that yet!

Any test of brilliance works to compare different shapes... the Firescope (Ideal Scope or the same rose by any other name)? Surely so! I would compare what I see with the look of a FIC (fiery ideal cut) that does admit a tiny bit of light loss, as you can see here (LINK). The pitfall about using these tools is that none actually measures "fire" (= dispersion, the color play you liked about the respective stone) - something explained HERE.

They say:
"The name of this instrument is poorly chosen because it does not measure Fire (dispersion). " - well, indeed.




As for setting, I would not tell you what my taste is - that's irrelevant. Each girl has her own.

Why not get one of those "disposable" $100 white gold settings and let your fiancée decide? It should be safe

As a rule of thumb, any complication (pave, accent stones, what not) is much, much better done one ring at a time than for a batch of hundreds to be distributed via catalog. I would not gladly talk about ring "heads" - jewelry spare parts to me. So... whatever the style, my choice will definitely be for a custom made ring - from scratch, closely fit to the stone and owner's taste. But that's me, after getting badly jaded about jewelry off the rack.

Besides, you may end up with a great deal going custom too.