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nomed_deeps

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Hi,

i've been lurking around here for quite some time reading and learning.

It is also time for me to purchase a ring for the lovely young lady.

I am not wealthy and have saved to be able to afford between 2500-3000$.

this is the diamond I have looked at.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/0.61-carat-g-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-199911

this is the setting.
http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/platinum-2mm-comfort-fit-solitaire-engagement-ring-item-1981

I would appreciate any insight from some more knowledgeable folk if they would be a nice set-up or if you could recommend something similar solitaire.

as well would a 6 prong be bteer then a 4.....would it be wise to save money and go with 14k white gold?

As well, any experience shipping to canada, quebec in particular.

Thank you to anyone who can spare some time for this young lad.
 
Looks like a nice stone. I think you did your search well.
 
1) sorry, don't like that diamond. you can do better. Something like this would be stunning. http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.718-h-si1-princess-diamond-ags-bl-104062901008
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/0.70-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-sku-204025
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/0.74-carat-e-color-vs2-clarity-sku-204029

2) princesses get 4 prongs. You might want to spend less on the setting by going with white gold, which will allow you to put more towards the center. Also you might consider lowering the color and clarity in order to get something bigger.
 
If you're willing to go down to a j-k range I bet you could get around a .8 ct. Also I would go with gold. Unless she's allergic I wouldn't spend the money on platinum.
 
nomed_deeps|1371094516|3464732 said:
Hi,

i've been lurking around here for quite some time reading and learning.

It is also time for me to purchase a ring for the lovely young lady.

I am not wealthy and have saved to be able to afford between 2500-3000$.

this is the diamond I have looked at.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/0.61-carat-g-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-199911

this is the setting.
http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/platinum-2mm-comfort-fit-solitaire-engagement-ring-item-1981

I would appreciate any insight from some more knowledgeable folk if they would be a nice set-up or if you could recommend something similar solitaire.

as well would a 6 prong be bteer then a 4.....would it be wise to save money and go with 14k white gold?

As well, any experience shipping to canada, quebec in particular.

Thank you to anyone who can spare some time for this young lad.
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Personally, I like platinum better. It's all down to personal preference. I wanted a metal that I didn't have to worry about replating.
 
I agree I like the suggestions that Julie N made. also with princess the stones generally look alot smaller when set so if you are going with a .61 it might look on her finger up to half the size. You can find the larger stone that is G or H Si1 eye clean so that you get the most bang for your buck.
 
I agree I like the suggestions that Julie N made. also with princess the stones generally look alot smaller when set so if you are going with a .61 it might look on her finger up to half the size. You can find the larger stone that is G or H Si1 eye clean so that you get the most bang for your buck.
 
Personally, I like platinum better. It's all down to personal preference. I wanted a metal that I didn't have to worry about replating.
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you dont have to plate white gold. It is naturally white, especially 14k, the metals in it stay white enough that if you dont want to plate it you really dont have to. I wear an unplated WG ring, a few others here do too, plus im sure do lots of people in the real world that dont go get their ring plated after a few years.

PS ignore me about the J-K range... i was thinking it was a round sorry. but i do think you could go down to an I. sorry :?

does it have to be JA? there a nice ritani one that could be nice

http://www.ritani.com/diamonds/princess-diamond-0-79-Carat-I-color-GIA-certified/D-GJF7Y0


with a setting like this those delicate princess corners would be protected
http://www.ritani.com/engagement-rings/solitaire-diamond-tulip-cathedral-engagement-ring-in-14kt-white-gold/5348
 
Hi, no it doesn't have to be JA I just really have enjoyed their customer service thus far and appreciate that.

Secondly, I am not dead set on the princess cut I personally like it. Do you folks think, based on my budget i would be wiser to get a round cut?

Something perhaps like this...
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.73-carat-j-color-si1-clarity-sku-224069

Thank you for all your suggestions, I especially like the Ritani setting.


Thanks
 
Niel|1371125681|3464886 said:
Personally, I like platinum better. It's all down to personal preference. I wanted a metal that I didn't have to worry about replating.
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you dont have to plate white gold. It is naturally white, especially 14k, the metals in it stay white enough that if you dont want to plate it you really dont have to. I wear an unplated WG ring, a few others here do too, plus im sure do lots of people in the real world that dont go get their ring plated after a few years.
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Sorry, I'm in the UK where most white gold rings do require replating with rhodium. White gold here seems to be yellow gold alloyed with silver or palladium and then plated with rhodium. It's obviously not going to be as yellow as brass when the rhodium wears but it is going to have a yellow tinge. If I wanted a yellow ring, I'd have chosen yellow gold. (I like yellow gold but all of my other jewellery, my watches, etc. are silver-coloured so I opted against it.)

I'd never heard of 14k white gold alloys until I joined PS. 9k or 18k are the most popular here. If I had a white gold engagement ring, I would need to get it replated every 12 months or so. It sounds like it is different in the USA and maybe JA use alloys that don't require rhodium plating; I've not looked into it enough to be able to comment.

I've got white gold earrings and I've had them for a while now but as I don't wear them very often, I don't think they will need replating often, if ever.
 
nomed_deeps|1371136531|3464986 said:
Hi, no it doesn't have to be JA I just really have enjoyed their customer service thus far and appreciate that.

Secondly, I am not dead set on the princess cut I personally like it. Do you folks think, based on my budget i would be wiser to get a round cut?

Something perhaps like this...
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.73-carat-j-color-si1-clarity-sku-224069

Thank you for all your suggestions, I especially like the Ritani setting.


Thanks
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Do you have an idea of what you GF would like? A lot of people that like rounds dont care for princess cuts and vice versa.
Can you ask her family what she would prefer?
 
I agree figure out what she likes. But if you don't know safest bet is a round.

And in that case I go back and say AGAIN drop down to a j-k range. That way you can get around. 8.... large enough to look big but a nice enough size that the color doesn't really show. My avatar is a .84 k.... there's a thread about it now over in the show me the bling side. Show you different colors it shows if you want to see. I set it in unplated 14k WG.

Other than the fact rounds are the safe route the face up larger and also allow you to drop lower in color to get a bigger stone. I'll look for you I thought I saw a nice k listed this morning back when I thought you were shopping for rounds :lol:
 
Niel|1371141257|3465039 said:
This one is the one I was thinking of. Amazing clarity, nice size, paired with a 14k gold 6 prong its a show stopper and right around 2500 with the PS wire discount (the 14 version is like 180)


Could be done in white yellow or ROSE! super pretty.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.86-carat-k-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-198317
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Hi, Niel this is wonderful, thank you.

I would love to go look at the thread. unfortunally, as with the rest of my search, I am limited by the fact that I am color blind. I cannot distinguish the differences in color thus I went for something in the higher spectrum.

This particular stone, would the color be noticeable or not very obvious?

And maybe this is a dumb question, but what is the PS wire discount?

and were you speaking of the 14K white gold knife edge setting?

Thank you very much, you are very helpful to me.
 
At James Allen, if you say you are a price scope member and pay by wire transfer you get between a 1-5% discount.
And yeah I was talking about the setting you posted but in 14 k gold instead. That way you can put all your money into your stone.


What I find about Ks in that range is from a distance they looks super white. Stick your nose up to it it has a softer bone color, but again at the size your looking at a k is fine for the casual diamond individual. Most stones in malls are in that range. Just graded with loose certs.

Plus put the ring in a 6 prong those white prongs will help it look white.
 
would you say it would be beneficial to sacrifice some size to move to a J or I, or would the idifference be negligible.
 
I'll put in my 2 cents and say that I went with white gold (unplated) for my ering because of the price difference, but I now wish I had gone with platinum. It feels heavier, and it is truly white. Even my 14k white gold rings look yellowish after a few months of wear.

I have a few diamonds in the near colorless range (my engagement stone is H, I have a larger I, and a J in one of my studs). In the smaller stones, the color seems less noticeable to me, but I can tell the I is warmer for sure. I personally wouldn't go lower than an I-J in color and probably not lower than I--if you can swing it $-wise.
 
nomed_deeps|1371149874|3465169 said:
would you say it would be beneficial to sacrifice some size to move to a J or I, or would the idifference be negligible.
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I think if you can find a nice .75+ i-j then for the "mind clean aspect it gives you that's not a bad idea. And I'm not saying you can't see a difference when you compare a g to a k, what I'm saying is the difference is not unattractive. Its like looking at a notebook piece of paper over a printer sheet. Both white yes? But put one on top of the other and you see a difference. Doesn't mean on its own that notebook paper isn't sufficiently colorless.


And I have a vintage Cartier in 18k that long lost its rhodium and I find the metal very appealing. The overall slight warmth is fitting with the slight warmth of the stones.


Get what you feel most comfortable I'm not trying to steer you one way or the other but the average non diamond enthusist that gets one stone in there life, usually wears colors in that range, and that's with stores that are not nearly as well cut.

So of size is important that. K is great and would really stretch your budget.

And yes size does effect the face up color of a stone.
 
nomed_deeps|1371148511|3465138 said:
Niel|1371141257|3465039 said:
This one is the one I was thinking of. Amazing clarity, nice size, paired with a 14k gold 6 prong its a show stopper and right around 2500 with the PS wire discount (the 14 version is like 180)


Could be done in white yellow or ROSE! super pretty.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.86-carat-k-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-198317
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Hi, Niel this is wonderful, thank you.

I would love to go look at the thread. unfortunally, as with the rest of my search, I am limited by the fact that I am color blind. I cannot distinguish the differences in color thus I went for something in the higher spectrum.

This particular stone, would the color be noticeable or not very obvious?

And maybe this is a dumb question, but what is the PS wire discount?

and were you speaking of the 14K white gold knife edge setting?

Thank you very much, you are very helpful to me.
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Don't sell yourself short for being color blind. My hubby is nearly completely color blind (only sees yellow and some red) and he can tell the difference in tone between an E and an F (though he couldn't tell you exactly what color he is seeing, only that there is a difference). Upshot is, most people can't see the difference between a E and G unless they are side by side and most people start to notice tint in a stone around I so G/H is a "safe zone" for a lot of people with rounds (and sometimes I, especially if it has some fluorescence to boost it a little). It all comes down to personal preference. Some are quite happy to sacrifice some color or clarity to obtain a larger stone, others not so much. You just have to figure out what y'alls tolerance is.
 
I'm glad you said tolerance. Because sensitive and tolerance in regards to color I consider an important distinction. Being able to see the difference doesn't mean one is necessarily better than the other.
 
Niel|1371157141|3465296 said:
I'm glad you said tolerance. Because sensitive and tolerance in regards to color I consider an important distinction. Being able to see the difference doesn't mean one is necessarily better than the other.
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Couldn't agree more!

I am quite colour-"sensitive" - to diamond colours, metal colours... but I actively "prefer" the J/K/L range for diamonds, and my "tolerance" for differences in metal colours on pieces that are supposed to match is rock bottom...
 
First let's figure out how much you have to spend. $200 in this price range is 10%.

2500-3000 budget. On PS, most regular posters tend to take the upper limit as the starting point.

Try to finalize the setting, then you will know how much you have left over.
 
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