Is this diamond any good? pull trigger or not.

[Shazam33]

Hello Everyone,
I found this diamond and would like to know what you think.
I am seriously considering buying it since its pretty good priced when looking at Carat weight+color+clarity.

Shape Round
Carat 1.113
Color G
Clarity VS2
Cut Ideal

Light Performance Ideal
Polish Ideal
Symmetry Ideal

Depth % 62.0
Table % 56.6
Crown Angle 35.2
Star 50.0
Pavilion Angle 40.9
Crown % 15.4
Lower Girdle % 78.0
Measurements 6.61x6.66x4.12
Culet Pointed
Fluorescence Negligible
Girdle Thin to Medium Faceted

http://imageshack.us/f/341/diamondpic1.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/407/diamondpic2.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/96/diamondpic3.jpg/

I know that the HCA score is not ideal.
And it looks like it has a "ring of death" under the table.
But how bad can it be? Something still makes be think that this could be a great stone.

 

[Dancing Fire]

how much cheaper compared to online prices? is it an AGS stone?

 

[Shazam33]

Oh Sorry, forgott to add that this is a AGS0 stone.
AGS0, Cut Ideal, Sym Ideal, Polish Ideal, HCA 2.5-VG vg-vg-vg-vg
I would say that the price is about 2.5k-3k cheaper compared to a similar stone AGS0 but with a better HCA score.

 

[TitanCi]

I don't know why... but I remember reading somewhere that most ACA stones are in the low 2's. Why does this keep resonating in my mind??? Did I read that right or does someone need to correct me???

 

[Dancing Fire]

I don't know why... but I remember reading somewhere that most ACA stones are in the low 2's. Why does this keep resonating in my mind??? Did I read that right or does someone need to correct me???

most ACA are rated 1.2-1.5

 

[TitanCi]

^Thank you. I wonder where I got that number then???

 

[TitanCi]

I posted a thread up on what I "thought" was leakage from a stone I had, and the experts chimed in and said it only had partial leakage. I didn't have any reflector imaging done as I bought it off numbers and what my soon to be and I saw. It looked great. Until I kept reading and reading and reading and reading and reading on this site. Then it bugged me. Everyday I took pics to convince myself I saw that damn leakage. Some times it was tilt that made it look like it was leaking. Sometimes the pic didn't show anything, so I was ok with it, and then I kept thinking of the 3.6 HCA score... in the end it stressed me out so I got rid of it. TBH, when I pulled the stone further away from my face, I could see the dark under the table, GOG's "ring of death" if you will...

, here it shows at 4-6 ish,and 1030-1100... still not too bad...
, here at 3.

You decide; does the stone I HAD look bad to you? Cuz the live picture you have, I think, looks better than this. The pav on the stone you're considering is better than this one. The CA is 0.2 deg more, maybe it's nearing that steep/deep range? I think it'll do better than this stone I posted. Plus, if the price is right... why not? BTW, in real life, stereo vision, it's not that bad, but for me knowing the angle combo produced it, and Gemadvisor modeled to have it really bugged ME.

 

[Shazam33]

Thank you for the input and pictures TitanCi.
Was your diamond also a AGS0? Or did it at least have Ideal Light Performance?
I don't understand how this diamond could get ideal light performance if the leakage would be a problem.
And also what is making the HCA score above the 2 marker?

 

[TitanCi]

Shazam - mine was a GIA XXX - lines up with an AGS 3 or 4... something like that in terms of cut quality. Light performance - Not sure... I think what is making it a 2.2 or whatever is the combination of angles - nearing the slightly steep/deep side I'm sure you've read about. However, the pav angle is still below 41, which helps! I've seen AGS reports that are 0 for LP and have what looked like leakage under the table (like what you posted), so perhaps it's the way the photo was taken? Is the report recent? Over 2005? Going off what the experts say here, they say if an AGS stone is graded ideal then it trumps the HCA, so that becomes irrelevant at that point since it is graded for LP.

Many here would tell you to NOT discredit a stone with an HCA like that, but to investigate it further (which obviously you did). I'd be stuck btwn a rock and a hard place like you too: the IS image is there, but it seems to contradict the report

I uploaded your pix for you:

 

[Shazam33]

Thank you for posting the pics in the thread itself, I tried too but I couldn't get it too work
The stone has a Platinum Light Performance report from AGS, it was graded in april 2009.
I will be calling the vendor later tonight and checking what more information they can offer regarding this stone.

 

[TitanCi]

The pictures look like they're from WF, am I wrong? Is it an expert select? Premium select? If it's expert select I, myself, wouldn't worry. I almost went with one of their expert selects...

I am waiting for Gypsy or Christina or DS to chime in to see what they say...

 

[Shazam33]

Hehe I guess it is obvious to the trained PSer that the images are indeed from WF.
Like everyone else here I am just a little scared that someone else will snatch the diamonds I am considering.
But I think there is no need to try and hide, people can always find the diamond your considering, specially from online vendors.

I am looking at 7 options @ WF that match my budget and preferred diamond specifications.
Max 10k, 1.1-1.2ct, D-H, VS1-SI1 Ideal Cut+Sym and Eye Clean
And this diamond will simple give me most for my buck it seems out of these 7 diamonds.
2 of them are ACA and 5 are Expert Selection.

Would it be too much if I asked your opinion on these options?

ACA H&A
1.121 ct E SI1 (This one has one of the better IS I think and I am really liking the E color, but you see the inclusion at 7'o clock arrow)
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2715448.htm
1.202 ct H SI1 (Same here good IS but u can see the inclusion at 11'o clock arrow)
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2777293.htm

Expert Selection
1.113 ct G VS2 (This is the one I have started the thread about)
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2104641.htm
1.17 ct G SI1 (I Also like this one since the IS looks good no leakage and G color)
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2721318.htm
1.207 ct H SI1 (The IS on this one I think also shows leakage "ring of death" but it does have the highest carat weight)
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2777306.htm
1.11 ct H VS2 (The IS on this one looks really good too and you have the VS2 but then it goes down in color)
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2696773.htm
1.128 ct H VS2 (Also H VS2 like above but I think the IS doesn't look as good as the above, leakage here too)
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2762641.htm

TitanCi I really appreciate the time your taking to give me your opinion and advice.
I really hope that Gypsy or Christina or DS have the time to give me their advice also.
I have been browsing PS for a few months now and I always enjoy reading your and their thoughts.

 

[TitanCi]

E: Wow, will be super icy, cool. I can't even see the inclusions too well on the live image. The one at 7 is not too bad at all, and I feel IRL you won't even see it. It'll be so small. I'd say that's a clean SI. I looked over the inclusion plot and I can't find most of those things and I scrutinize alot: I examine eyes for a living!

ACA H: slightly larger than the E: ~0.10mm more, and as Christina put it into perspective 0.10mm = the width of a sheet of paper, literally! I measured it. So for $200 more you can have a stone that is larger on paper (how much of you can see? I don't think you can), lower in color, performs as well as the E... Personally, I'd take the E simply cuz it's an E (rarer) bwtn the two. If the H was substantially larger, I'd say go for the H. The inclusions look the same/in the same spot... look identical, but the H has some at 2 oclock you can see too.

Experts:
G VS2 - I'll be honest, although WF and AGS say it's ideal in LP, a picture is worth a thousand words (err dollars in this case!). I would put this low on my list after seeing the ACAs. The constant wondering about the center would bug *me*. Unfortunately, I don't think none of the experts like Rhino or Mr Pollard will comment on that stone b/c of forum rules/other vendors inventory... so I really want to see what Gypsy/Christina/DS/DF/someone's mom has to say about that sketch IS. I want to say it's leakage straight up, but the IDEAL classification is throwing me off. I'd say pass on this one...I'm nowhere as seasoned as they are when it comes to stones, but I think I can weed out a bad IS if I see it...

G SI -that's an awesome looking stone - same price as the ACAs, slightly...SLIGHTLY larger spread than the E, great live pic. But for $10 more, I'd still go for the E... it's an E!!! If this G SI was like a few hundred less I'd say that's a great price for a great stone, but it's an AGS so you'll be paying the premium! This is a nice stone, dude! Super Effin clean live pic. BTW I bought a GIA G that was appraised independently to be a low F, really high G. The guy pulled out a number of G stones and the one I got from JA was way more colorless vs. the masterstones. Perhaps this is one? Maybe It's a really high G/Low F?! I DON'T SEE HOW THIS IS AN SI. THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT PLOT EITHER!

H SI -has a sketch center on IS too. At this price, I'd rather go with one of the ACA's or that G SI EX Sel. I'm not sure what to make of that table section. I want to know too!!!!!

H VS2- nice looking stone, great IS, Great ASET, cost as much as the others, nice spread. This stone has better reflector images than the above stone, so I'd choose this one over the H SI one above...between the two.

HVS2 - This one looks better than the H SI, but if I remember right, this one seems to be the most expensive, and not that much bigger than the other ones. The H VS2 above is larger than this one.


So For me, I'd go like this: E SI ACA, G SI Ex sel, H SI ACA, then H VS2 1.11 ex sel. To me, I value the higher colors, but you may not even notice the faint yellow in H's. I can in some, not all. That's how I would go with the stones you chose, and just forget about the sketch ones with the questionable IS (unless one of the experts chimes in on that AGS OOO you were asking about cuz it saves you $$$). You chose enough stones where there are clearly more winners than just ok ones. Good job!

Tell us what you decide! What are you leaning towards? Which looks best to you? What's your top three?