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Is this a transitional? Or OEC? Or?

Discussion in 'RockyTalky' started by Stll3, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. Stll3
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    by Stll3 » Nov 8, 2018
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    Hi folks, I’ve posted on here before about an Art Deco ring we bought at auction. I have now had this set in a solitaire and can’t seem to keep myself from trying to figure out what kind of stone it is. I’ve tried to take some close up pics with my phone (not ideal I know, I can also now see it needs a clean!) and thought you clever lot might have some insight? It’s super sparkly and continues to amaze me. I received no cert and the auctioneer estimated it as a J but the Jeweler that set it says it’s more than likely a G so that was a nice little surprise. The culet is really small and almost impossible to see in certain lights. I would say the crown is quite small too.

    Thank you!
     
  2. the_mother_thing
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    by the_mother_thing » Nov 8, 2018
    It’s kind of hard to make out the facet pattern. Can you give it a cleaning, blow it dry maybe with a hair dryer (to prevent lint on the diamond), and take a couple more pictures straight on (no tilt or angle) with natural lighting (preferably behind the diamond), and repost those? That might make it easier for folks to give you their opinions.
     
  3. Stll3
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    by Stll3 » Nov 8, 2018
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  4. Stll3
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    by Stll3 » Nov 8, 2018
    Aha ok I’ll try that! Thanks!
     
  5. Stll3
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    by Stll3 » Nov 9, 2018
    Not sure D8B56A77-93C7-4FE4-B345-E270E5334506.jpeg these
    are an F77BDEFC-2530-4174-B609-ABC4247E20F1.jpeg y better? 80DC6692-D323-4662-A8FA-5203436DC16C.jpeg This is hard!
     
  6. Stll3
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    by Stll3 » Nov 9, 2018
    Wow! This isn’t going very well, what happened to my words? :)
     
  7. flyingpig
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    by flyingpig » Nov 9, 2018
    I would classify it as a tranny.
     
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  8. Stll3
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    by Stll3 » Nov 9, 2018
    That’s what I was thinking but I’m a novice. How very cool!
     
  9. the_mother_thing
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    by the_mother_thing » Nov 9, 2018
    It could be in between an OEC to a Transitional. Here is one diamond from JbG that David Atlas assessed as a OEC-Transitional.
    https://www.jewelsbygrace.com/vinta...t-art-deco-transitional-cut-diamond-solitaire

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    And here’s another from JbG of what she describes as a ‘textbook example of a transitional’:
    https://www.jewelsbygrace.com/2-25ct-transitional-cut-diamond-gia-j-vs1

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    It seems (and I could be wrong) that most ‘true’ trannies exhibit some form of arrows. Some diamonds were cut in between the various eras (e.g., old mine, OEC, tranny, MRB, etc.) so they may exhibit some features of both. Of course, others will chime in with their thoughts as well. Enjoy your beautiful ring! :wavey:
     
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  10. oldminer
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    by oldminer » Nov 9, 2018
    Your diamond has a rather small table which indicates an older cut, an OEC,, rather than transitional to modern cut. The transitional to modern cut stones have larger table diameters. Some are really very wide beyond 65% occasionally. Possibly the diamond you have was an OEC that had been somewhat recut and improved within the modern era to bring the proportions and sparkle more into line with modern cuts yet leaving the table small. The girdle looks like it ranges from ext thin to somewhat thick with several naturals or extra facets. Maybe there were some chips repaired in the process and the diamond was rounded up a bit to clean it all up.

    Looks like a very nice OEC the way it is right now. Cut looks like it is working to make the sparkle very good.
     
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  11. twang07
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    by twang07 » Nov 9, 2018
    Looks like an OEC to me! Beautiful stone great find!
     
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  12. Stll3
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    by Stll3 » Nov 9, 2018
    That’s super, thank you! I wish I knew it’s story...
     
  13. ringo865
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    by ringo865 » Nov 9, 2018
    What a mighty beautiful auction find. And yes it appears pretty white too. I’d agree with PP that it is a late OEC or early transitional, or was an older OEC with some tweaks. Because it still has a smallish table, not a super tall crown, but smaller culet.

    It is very lovely. I love the setting you picked. How was it set when you found it?
     
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  14. Stll3
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    by Stll3 » Nov 9, 2018
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    That’s very interesting. Thank you for that insight. It was set in an Art Deco ring (pic attached) but I have no info on it’s history so it’s interesting to hear people’s views. The jeweller that set it into its new home said it was beautifully cut and sparkled more than a lot of modern diamonds. I can’t stop staring at it!
     
  15. Stll3
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    by Stll3 » Nov 9, 2018
    Thank you. I was worried when we bought it (my dad found it and we hadn’t actually seen the ring before he brought it home) that it didn’t look like a great stone in its original setting. It came to life when we took it out. I just posted a pic of it’s previous setting. It’s lovely so we kept the original and set a lovely yellowish green chrysoberyl in it.
     
  16. ringo865
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    by ringo865 » Nov 9, 2018
    Wow pretty setting. Glad you could reuse it.

    I agree that the diamond looks more alive in its new setting. Great find!!
     
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  17. the_mother_thing
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    by the_mother_thing » Nov 9, 2018
    What a beautiful ring setting (even if you didn’t like it for the diamond). What have you decided to do with it? If you opt to sell it, I’d be interested, as I have several loose colored stones that might look great in it! :whistle:
     
  18. Stll3
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    We have actually set a chrysoberyl in it as it was too pretty not to make use of. Thanks though :)
     
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