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oozze

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Hi all,
I am trying to buy my wife a ring, 3 stones diamond or 1 stone (bigger) diamond.
I tried the pricescope, and try to contact (via email) some of the vendors such as USCERTED (emailed and request few diamonds info - no reply until today), Good Old Gold (for setting quotation - no reply) and Abaziaz (asked for GIA cert for a specific diamond - receive a reply but no Cert, still waiting - over 1 week now).

So, I thought that I probably going back to blue nile and take a look at what they have. I never bought anything from blue nile but I heard so much about them.

I found this:
18k White Gold Three-Stone Trellis Setting (1.93 ct. tw.) $1050

Your Center Diamond:
Ideal cut, F color, VS2 clarity
1.09-Carat Round Diamond
Report: GIA
Price: $6,797

Carat weight: 1.09
Cut: Ideal
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Depth %: 61.7%
Table %: 58%
Symmetry: Excellent
Polish: Very good
Girdle: Medium to slightly thick
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Strong
Measurements: 6.58 x 6.62 x 4.07 mm


Your Sidestones:
Ideal cut, F color, SI1 clarity
Total Carat Weight: 0.84
Report: AGSL
Price: $1,616
Your Setting:
Size: 6.5
Price: $1,050

Total Price: $9,463


Is this a good buy for me? Or I can do better with these vendors from pricescope (USCERTED, GOG, and etc) better?
In addition, What strong Fluorescence do?

Thks!

OOZZE
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Hi Oozze,

Sorry you''re having trouble with e-mail. I actually used e-mail, with James Allen, with success. It can work.

But...if it didn''t, I would have picked up the phone.

I have two recommendations for you.

1) Use this db (after understanding what the HCA is...you can read below my signature, or above under knowldge).

2) Pick up the phone.

Why...BN, abazias, USA Certed...all have virtual options. OK, but at least try to have a plan A in comparison. That means a non-virtual stone. GOG can help you with a plan A. White Flash...are they the main guys these guys to help you with a plan A (bird in the hand) and plan B (bird in the bush). Maybe.

Regards,
 
Since he didn't give crown/PA angles, Here is the link to the diamond:
The above listed diamond

Hi, Strong Blue Fluorescence means that the diamond lights up blue under UV lights. In the real world that means when the diamond is in sunlight it will have a blue hue/color to it. Some people like it, some people don't, and some people don't really notice it.

I can not speak to the other names you mentioned, but I worked with James Allen and they were very good. I also spoke with White flash and they were very very good as well, they just didn't have the diamond I wanted.

Why didn't you get your email? for Abazias it looks like poor customer service. They wrote you back, so after 1 week someone should let you know what is happening, that would be a major problem for me.

Gold old Gold--you wrote them about a setting right? So the person who got it may have had to forward it to somebody else, who then had to do research, and maybe he needed more information. If they were very busy it is understandable that they might not get back to you quickly, or even at all in that situation--Especially if it were forwarded and the email was unclear.

USCerted--I sent them three emails and never got a response so they lost my business as well.

I also bought from Blue Nile, they were very good at what they do. However,they would not help me with light performance anymore than saying "look at the report". In the end I had to send the diamond they sent me back, and while they were good, my second purchase was with James Allen and it was about 500% better of an experience than with Blue nile. So is Blue Nile good--sure, they make things simple because they don't give you much information (but I want information) and they have the easiest to use website.

But, I would def. recommend going with a PS vendor--specifically either WF or James Allen, and maybe try harder with GOG?

Will their prices be any better? Maybe, maybe not. It just depends on what they have at the time.

Also, where are you located? some times it might be better to pick a vendor that is located near so you can see the diamonds yourself before buying.
 
Thks for the reply!
I am located in San Francisco, CA (Bay area).
 
Date: 7/31/2007 8:13:25 PM
Author: oozze
I use a lot of that DB for the last month..and thats how i come to contact the vendors....

Phone isnot an option for me during day time, working situation doesnt permit it.


oozze


With spec:

excelent cut, F color, VS2, .95-1.05, it only come up 1 result:

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-860738.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
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That was actually the main reason why Blue Nile got my buisness at first as well. I called them all night long, maybe 200, 300 times during that shopping experience:) if only they offered images, IS, and were willing to actually pull in stones and look at them for you themselves, then they would have been excellent.

Some vendors are open later than others. It wasn't convenient to contact USCerted because of work either, and that was the other reason they lost my buisness. But James Allen is open until 9pm EST I think, it has been a little while since I had to call them late though. I will check some real quick and get back.

That w
 
What is the ideal crown angle?
on measurement, X * Y * Z, what is the ideal size to seek?
 
James Allen is open 9am-9pm EST, that means 6am-6pm your in your time zone. So maybe early morning? Maybe arrange for one early morning "breakfast" where you actually make some phone calls in order to get the emails rolling. I know that Jenniffer and Lynda over at James Allen will take care of you via email, for certain as I probably have about 30 emails in my email from the two of them right now.

I also know that Jamie over at whiteflash will get back to you, and you can ask for John Pollard and he will certainly help you work out a situation where you can do this.

Other than that i can't really vouch for anyone. I will give you some email address. But remember, you should still find a time to call first, because if you request one person, then that person might be on vacation or in some other situation where they can't write back or don't get your email. A call, talk to them, then start using email until the time of purchase. Also, if it is allowed to put in their email address somebody let me know. I was going to attach the above mentioned email addresses but I am not sure If I am supposed to.
 
Thks again for all your replies...much appreciated!

oozze
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Date: 7/31/2007 8:24:11 PM
Author: oozze
What is the ideal crown angle?

on measurement, X * Y * Z, what is the ideal size to seek?
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First, understand that this is all based on my own research, I am not a seller or in the diamond business, just a very obsessive consumer who has been reading alot. Thus when you hear what I have to say, you should probably check it and learn it for yourself, just treat it as a recap of my understanding, and something for you to verify/learn on your own.

It depends on many factors such as table size, etc. But the most important is going to be Pavilion angle. If you have a larger (within Ideal range) Pavilion angle like 41 degrees, you would probably want a slightly smaller crown angle to get maximum light return. Thus that 34/41 combo should have nothing wrong with it based on that alone. if you get a lower Pavilion angle like 40.7 it will work well with 34 also, but it will also work with 35 and even above that, where as 41 and 35 combos can start to introduce some notable light leakage if everything is not perfect.

For right or wrong one reason that so many people on PS insist on Ideal Scope images is because diamonds and diamond measurements are not perfect. the numbers you are seeing do not represent every individual facet of the diamond, and so if a number of them are larger than the average of 41 degrees then you may well be having some notable light leakage--but an Ideal Scope image or other report would help to demonstrate that this is not the case.
This is particularly important when dealing with GIA as they allow for a wider range of diamonds into their top grade (obviously as they have less overall grades they can not be as stringent on their top grade) Thus if you want an AGS0 light performance type diamond then that data may be important to help find it amongst GIA borderline AGS0 performance diamonds.

Thus if I were personally going to buy from Blue Nile--which I did and this is exactly what I did--I would aim for AGS 0 light performance diamonds. (here the problem arises though, because you could search for AGS1 and AGS2 where the only demerits are for Symmetry or Polish, but because of the new report layout you can not see it when searching which makes it difficult. I also met resistance form Blue Nile when I asked for that right hand tab information.
 
Oozze,

The option, if Working Hard correctly identified it, does have good proportions. You do see it also has big blue flor. Many shop for this, and if it''s not a problem, it may be a delight.

The option you found on JA ... it is an option, too.

Sounds like you''ve run the numbers...which is mostly why I was checking.

Maybe, though, use the info Working Hard got you re vendor hours, take a break, and use the phone.

Regards,
 
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