Interesting Firescope Images

[Superidealist]

I ran across these the other day and thought Pricescope readers might be interested.

 

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[Rhino]

Source?

 

[Superidealist]

Confidential.

 

[verticalhorizon]

Wow... what would NO black mean in these images?

Are these digitally altered?

 

[pricescope]

are they for the same or different stones?

 

[Rank Amateur]

Different stones, I'm sure (look at how far off the culet is on the one) but how were they taken? I presume no black means no lens reflection.

 

[Superidealist]

To the best of my knowledge, the photos are unaltered. They are of different diamonds and all are of excellent make.

 

[valeria101]

How is that done?

At first I thought these would not be RBC! but unusually flat crown (less than 30 degrees) would do the trick after all for the first version and the ones with white margins might also have shallower pavilions (at around 40 degrees pav angle) and smaller tables with large kyte facets (based on a werid sapphire with the same look I happened upon). The last two pics are tilted, so it could be the same darn thing after all... Actually, the last two could well be of "ideal proportions" but with quite unusual minor facets.

Or, well, and these could all be 8 Star cuts with the pictures taken in some unusual conditions - but that is not something I could attempt guessing. definitely intriguing

 

[hoorray]

So what is the scoop about these stones? What makes them look so different?

 

[scotch]

Hmm... it's really hard to make out, as the pictures are so blurred. The first pic looks like an Eightstar around the girdle and under the crown facets, but the star facets seem to be too long. Could it be a Whiteflash "A Cut Above"? No idea about the other two, the second one is definitely tilted, with eightstar-like short star facets, but what's going on under the crown facets?

Superidealist, stop teasing already, will you solve the puzzle at some point, or don't you know what these are yourself?

Scotch

 

[Superidealist]

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On 5/17/2004 12:56:09 PM scotch wrote:

Superidealist, stop teasing already, will you solve the puzzle at some point, or don't you know what these are yourself?
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So rare are the chances I get to stump the experts that I'm sure you'll forgive me for dragging it out. I was hoping to hear what those in the know at Pricescope have to say about these.

 

[verticalhorizon]

I agree... let's wait to hear some theories first before letting the cat out of the bag.

 

[Rhino]

Images without a tutorial to understand how to interpret them are meaningless. I can post a Gilbertson scope picture but if I do not teach you how to interpret it is akin to me going to China and trying to communicate with them in their language.

 

[verticalhorizon]

I think I get what Rhino is saying... without indication on what kind of images these are, then it's impossible to make any clear conclusions about them.

I have to say, I was assuming that the images were along the lines of LightScope, IdealScope, or FireScope like images.

We'll have to see what SuperId says.

 

[scotch]

OK, Superideal, but you have to give us some clues. Any hints on how the pics have been produced? Have the stones been properly placed into a fscope like device (except for the tilting)?

Scotch

 

[Superidealist]

Here are "heart" views of each diamond in order.

 

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[scotch]

I don't think any of those is an eightstar. I wasn't so sure about #1 or #2 (had no idea how the leakage in #2 would have been produced though), but the hearts don't seem to match anything I have seen in eightstars. Also, #1 couldn't be an "A Cut Above", the hearts are too narrow for those as well. I wonder about the leakage around the girdle in #2, could that be a "cheated girdle"? Man, I have no clue. Can I buy a vowel, or ask the audience or something?

Scotch

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Thes images have been not been taken with a Firescope.


The FS has about a 30 degree head shadow - and these have maybe 1 degree pin hole for the camera to peep through.


Also by raising the red away from the stone it is possible to reduce the pink light that comes from the upper girdle facets of stones other than the first stone (which looks like an 8* type).




Maybe if 8* are going to release a simple photo that "prooves" they have the fireyest diamonds - they want to have the simplest light-return-scope. It sonds simple but is foolish - more foolish that the BS

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

I think the 2nd 2 might be off center.


Like what I see through mu binocular ideal-scope when I close alternate eyes

 

[Superidealist]

Here's what I know for certain. The first diamond is an Apollon Eight while the other two are so called "triple excellent" diamonds. From what I understand, the Apollon Eight diamond is the first of the Japanese "heart and cupid" diamonds (known here as hearts and arrows). The company was founded by Tsuyoshi Shigetomi, inventor of the Firescope and the images shown are definitely not Firescope images (as Garry correctly points out). The actual Firescope image of an Apollon Eight, to me, looks very much like that of an EightStar.

It is interesting to note the "butterfly pattern" in the hearts image of the Apollon Eight since, I believe, this is graded against by the labs in Japan.

 

[Superidealist]

Not a Firescope image but still interesting.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

AGS Gilbertsonscope

 

[Superidealist]

In keeping with the topic, here's another that's not really a Firescope image.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Eighternity Jonathonscope?

 

[Rhino]

 

[mdx]

Something Different ?

Johan