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In love with this heart shaped ruby necklace

Discussion in 'Colored Stones' started by princessre, Dec 16, 2011.

  1. princessre
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    by princessre » Dec 16, 2011
    Hi All,

    So I am in love with this heart-shaped ruby necklace. It is supposed to be a 5 carat pigeon's blood ruby.....Do you like it?

    I just bought a big diamond ring, so am not feeling like I want to pony up huge $$. I was wondering if you think it would be possible to achieve this look with a red red spinel? Would spinel be just as nice as a ruby in this setting?

    I posted before, and looked all over the suggested websites. The only possibility was like $35k or around that range....How else can I approach the search? Do I have to email each vendor individually to see if they have a piece of rough they can cut into such a stone? Or perhaps they do not list all their inventory?

    Thanks for any help!!

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  2. pregcurious
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    by pregcurious » Dec 16, 2011
    Very pretty!

    There's a 5.91 ct red-pink Mahenge spinel on AJS' website for $38,500. I know it does not solve your budget issue, but you may prefer it to the ruby if you want a sparkly neon red-pink stone.. It will be extremely difficult to find a true red spinel in a heart shape at 5 carats, and it may cost the same in a true red and the same quality as the AJS spinel. I normally prefer less pink in red spinels (and realize there is color shift in any spinel), but for a sweet necklace with a heart, I would be over the moon with the Mahenge:

    http://www.ajsgem.com/gemstones/spinel/spinel-5.91-carats.html

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  3. Treenbean
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    by Treenbean » Dec 16, 2011
    I think it's really pretty. I love the DBTY on the chain too.
    Yes you could reproduce it for less than $35,000 if you don't use a ruby.
    Tan from odysseygem on ebay, usually has some heart shaped stones, and yes there are cutters out there who can cut you a heart. But it's the material you have to choose from. I am not sure of the types of rough you would have to choose from to make it. Garnet may be a good option for you in this project.

    Eidelprecious on easy set a heart shaped Mahenge for Crasru (I know she changed her name I just can't remember what it is now) that is really, really awesome. It has a fleur de lis edge around the heart, similar to the necklace. Maybe they could be a potential vendor for you.
     
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  5. LD
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    by LD » Dec 16, 2011
    You're highly unlikely to find a red spinel. These are rare. Factor in the size you're looking for and IF you find one, it'll be big bucks. The spinel posted above is lovely but it'll look more pink than red.

    Natural, unheated rubies of that size will be a fortune. However, if you're happy with treatments then you could possibly find one for much less. Heart cuts are typically less expensive.

    Unfortunately red in any gemstone turns the heat up on the price! How about another colour? It would be much easier to find and within budget. Tan has some lovely purple spinels in heart shapes that may be suitable.
     
  6. stargurl78
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    by stargurl78 » Dec 16, 2011
    So this isn't 5 carats and its fracture-filled, which I know isn't looked upon very favorably around here, but just thought I would post it anyways:

    http://www.gemselect.com/ruby/ruby-281909.php#

    I have purchased a few stones from this site and its hit or miss, depending on what you're looking for, but at least they're pretty inexpensive.
     
  7. princessre
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    by princessre » Dec 16, 2011
    Thank you so much for your help. Is garnet suitable for a necklace? How is the performance different from a spinel or ruby?

    Of the garnets I have seen, they seem less sparkly or duller than spinel and ruby. Is that a fair characterization?
     
  8. princessre
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    by princessre » Dec 16, 2011
    Thank you so much! I have my heart set on a red red color. I really do not like the pinky red color. Plus it is so expensive!
     
  9. princessre
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    How would you go about doing a removable pendant? I've never seen it. Thanks!
     
  10. princessre
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    by princessre » Dec 16, 2011
    Gosh, okay that is good to know. I have my heart set on a red red though......
     
  11. princessre
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    by princessre » Dec 16, 2011
    Thank you! I really want a red one.
     
  12. princessre
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    by princessre » Dec 16, 2011
    Can I ask a general dumb question? How is it that there are so many red spinels that are 1-2 carats available on Ebay for like $0.99 plus like $8 shipping???? Are those real spinel? Are they synthetic? Is there something wrong with them? I just don't get it!! Please explain to me, I'm a total novice! Thanks!
     
  13. Treenbean
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    by Treenbean » Dec 16, 2011
    Some are real, some are fake. Most are not top color or have undesirable modifying colors. The cut could be wonky and the list goes on and on.
    It takes a long time to learn how to choose a gem from photos and video, and I have to say it's something I haven't truly mastered yet. I also have issues with color memory. I can spot a top colored stone when I see it but if I've been looking at pages of gems on a website it gets harder for me.

    Garnet would be a nice choice, it is durable enough for a necklace and tanga garnets are a gorgeous color.
     
  14. princessre
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    by princessre » Dec 16, 2011
    Thanks! How about this one? Is it too dark??

    It's more than 15 carats SPESSARTITE ?

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  15. Treenbean
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    by Treenbean » Dec 16, 2011
    It's going to be very dark in real life.
     
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    by princessre » Dec 17, 2011
    Thank you-- see, I would never know that.....

    Hmmm....Maybe $2k-$3k?

    Thanks for the suggestion! I have my heart set on a true true red, though. Please let me know if you have any other suggestions!!
     
  18. LD
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    by LD » Dec 17, 2011
    The spess you've posted will not only be very dark but it looks orange/brown/red. Again, garnets in red are very difficult (almost impossible) to find. You could find a Rhodolite Garnet (perhaps not heart cut or 5ct) in a purple red but I don't think you would want that. You've said you want "red red" if you mean stoplight red then I'm afraid for a gem of the size you're looking for in a red you won't find it - unless it's a synthetic.

    On Ebay you'll see a ton of gems called "red" - in reality they won't be. Red Spinels, red Rubies etc are EXTREMELY sought after and trust me, you won't find one on Ebay for $0.99!

    If you want red I would urge you to look at either a pink/red or a purple/red. It will still look as phenomenal as the necklace you've posted but it won't be stoplight red. The closest to a red is the spinel from AJS - it will be on the pink side but it's very pretty (and will be a gemstone worth getting!

    You asked about a pendant that you could remove? If you have a bale put on the back or top of the pendant you can have one that is hinged so you can open and close it - this means you can remove it from a chain, put it on a different chain or on a piece of velvet or a bracelet etc etc.
     
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    by Enerchi » Dec 17, 2011
    what a STUNNING necklace, princess! That would be gorgeous! I like LD's suggestion of a removable pendant. Then you can source out a DBTY NECKLACE at a reasonable price/length for you and perhaps invest a bit more in the pendant, allowing you to take your time finding the right stone.

    Good things come to those who wait... but if you are a PSer, that better happen pretty quickly! :lol:
     
  20. LD
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    by LD » Dec 17, 2011
    Here are some hearts - mostly smaller than you want but they are real gemstones:-

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-17ct-Top-Notch-Heart-Natural-Cherry-Red-Color-Spinel-/250947916889?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6da95459 Quite an orangey - brick colour - red

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-28ct-Amazingly-RARE-Heart-Natural-Color-Change-Garnet-/370265025907?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item563583ed73 This is a good size and the bonus with this is that you get two different colourways! During the day it will be a brown colour and then at night will be a pinkish/red

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-16ct-CERTIFIED-Heart-Natural-Tanzania-Hot-Pink-SPINEL-/370565028149?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5647659935 This is about as close to red/red you'll get. This is a lovely gemstone but I suspect it won't be big enough for you.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-66ct-Beautiful-Heart-Natural-Bluish-Purple-Tanzanite-/350513577744?pt=Loose_Gemstones_1&hash=item519c3cbf10 I know it's not red but do you remember the film Titanic? This is the gemstone that was used for the Heart of the Ocean necklace.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-09ct-Certified-Heart-Natural-Red-Ruby-No-Beryllium-/350183639462?pt=Loose_Gemstones_1&hash=item51889249a6 A Ruby but it really isn't good quality. This will be very dark but at least it's a ruby!

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-61ct-Enchanting-Striking-Heart-Top-Orange-Red-Spinel-/250829157333?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a669533d5 Brown/orange spinel

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-21ct-Breathtaking-Heart-Concave-Cut-Rhodolite-Garnet-/250668967053?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5d08e48d Purple but this has a great cut (will really reflect like mad!) and it's the size you're looking for. It's also a great price.
     
  21. T L
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    by T L » Dec 17, 2011
    That's what you DON'T want. It's awful, and it will look like a black hole in person.
     
  22. princessre
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    by princessre » Dec 18, 2011
    Oh Gosh!!! Thank you thank you thank you!! I am so honored that you look the time to look for me!! That is amazingly generous of you!!

    You gave me some good options, and your comments helped me think about what to look for! Thanks so much!!

    :appl: I guess I will continue to look and see if the perfect one comes up for sale.......or maybe I need to contact some gem cutters to see if they have rough that they can cut for me......It seems like oval or cushion is more common a cut than heart!

    Thank you again!
     
  23. princessre
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    Thanks! So even though I want a deep true red, I need to look for more brightness online because they will look darker IRL?
     
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    by Pandora II » Dec 18, 2011
    If you want big (ie over 5cts) and a bright red, and you are interested in the look rather than the actual stones, then your best bet would be a lead-glass filled ruby. They aren't expensive and look very good (Macy's ruby jewellery is full of them). The issue would be that it is not a stone that will hold any value and you will need to be careful that your jeweller knows not to put a torch near them or to put them in any acids (even lemon juice can affect them).

    Otherwise, I think you will need to drop the size or the clarity a fair amount to stay in budget. In a smaller size, a Beryllium diffused sapphire might fit the bill and the budget.

    I wouldn't advise a garnet in a large size as they can black out so much, especially the redder ones.
     
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    by chrono » Dec 19, 2011
    A 5 ct red red anything is probably still going to be super expensive and elusive. The 99 cent stuff on eBay is probably synthetic or the picture has been tampered with, thus the buyer will receive a stone that doesn't look anything like the pictures. I am sorry but a true red with superb saturation aren't easy to find and when found, are very expensive.
     
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    Seriously, that stone looks like a black hole in the picture.
     

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