ideal scope images help between this two 1.2s round diamonds

[qqkuna]

Hi everyone!
There are two diamonds that I am comparing, I am also attaching the idealscope. Could anyone give me some feedback? Thanks!!!

1st one is 1.23 J color VS2 GIA 3X. http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-dia...-j-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-174406

Measurements 6.85 - 6.85 x 4.25 mm
Carat Weight 1.23 carat
Color Grade J
Clarity Grade VS2
Cut Grade Excellent

Depth 62.0 %
Table 57 %
Crown Angle 35.5°
Crown Height 15.5%
Pavilion Angle 40.8°
Pavilion Depth 43.0%
Star Length 50%
Lower Half 80%
Girdle Medium to Slightly Thick, 3.5%

Polish Excellent
Symmetry Excellent

Fluorescence None

Clarity Characteristics Crystal, Feather, Needle, Cloud
COMMENTS

Pinpoints are not shown.

INSCRIPTION(S)

H&A




Second one is a 1.27 J color vs2 GIA Ex cut http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-dia...-j-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-310529

Measurements 6.96 - 7.00 x 4.30 mm
Carat Weight 1.27 carat
Color Grade J
Clarity Grade VS2
Cut Grade Excellent
PROPORTIONS

Depth 61.6 %
Table 55 %
Crown Angle 34.5°
Crown Height 15.5%
Pavilion Angle 41.0°
Pavilion Depth 43.0%
Star Length 50%
Lower Half 80%
Girdle Medium, Faceted, 3.0%
Culet None
FINISH

Polish Very Good
Symmetry Excellent
FLUORESCENCE

Fluorescence None
CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS

Clarity Characteristics Feather
COMMENTS

Twinning wisps are not shown.
Surface graining is not shown.

 

[MarionC]

Re: ideal scope images help between this two 1.2s round diam

Hi, qqkuna

The second one may well have better light performance. Plug the numbers into the HCA tool and you will get more information.
Personally I would go to a G [or a J with less color] and something less "busy" in terms of inclusions. There are VS2s that are cleaner. [Just my 2 cents and I'm sure not everyone will agree!]

What is your budget and what is your main criteria for the perfect stone?

 

[qqkuna]

Re: ideal scope images help between this two 1.2s round diam

Thanks for your feedback! James Allen did tell me that the first diamond is a higher color J(whiter than J).

My budget is around 6500 for the stone. I am not color sensitive so the most important thing to me is the size and the sparkle

 

[qqkuna]

Re: ideal scope images help between this two 1.2s round diam

If anyone else has any input would be great! I have to decide very soon about this two...

 

[teobdl]

Re: ideal scope images help between this two 1.2s round diam

What did the gemologist say?

 

[proto]

Re: ideal scope images help between this two 1.2s round diam

The first stone has the better idealscope image in my opinion. Less leakage and crisper contrast.

I am not convinced that i would consider this my version of eyeclean however, although the second would should be fine.

If not colour sensitive (and you dont mind fluorescence), consider the linked diamond, although its slightly smaller

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.150-k-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104063639025

Its going to outsparkle any precision cut from JA, in my opinion.

 

[proto]

Re: ideal scope images help between this two 1.2s round diam

I would consider these two as well

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/?CaratFrom=1.15&CaratTo=10.00&Color=J,I,H,G,F,E,D&Clarity=SI1,VS2,VS1,VVS2,VVS1,IF&Cut=Ideal,Excellent,TrueHearts&PriceFrom=200&PriceTo=6500&Sort=Carat desc ,DefaultOrder&TabSelected=3&advancedParameter=Flour&showAdvanced=show&ps=15&DiamondID=315232,289260&Polish=EX,ID,VG&Symmetry=EX,ID,VG&Lab=GIA,AGS&Flour=Faint,None,Negligible&DepthFrom=45.0&DepthTo=80.0&TableFrom=50.0&TableTo=83.0

Just make sure to post the entire link

Havent done the HCA calc, but the numbers look about right to me

 

[Lorelei]

Re: ideal scope images help between this two 1.2s round diam

Hi qqkuna and welcome!

Both appear to be very fine stones, for me, the first has the edge looking at the Idealscope images and the overall proportions. That the gemologist mentioned that the first is a ' high' J is another point in its favour. It mentions this one is also h&a, we would need to see the hearts images in order to better judge the overall optical symmetry precision but I can see from the image that some of the arrows aren't quite as uniform as they could be for my preference, but it's certainly an excellent diamond as far as I can tell. The other is also a definite contender, it just depends on what you are looking for, nice choices both! Also VS2 in this size range * should* be eyeclean but it never hurts to check to be on the safe side.

 

[teobdl]

Re: ideal scope images help between this two 1.2s round diam

Of the two that you posted, I would choose the second diamond.

I disagree that the first idealscope is definitely better. It has some brillianteering on the girdle, which GIA has described as being less visually appealing after analyzing tens of thousands of diamonds. Further, the second diamond's IS does not show clear leakage. The white that you see is more likely function of the stone not being completely flush to the camera.

Lastly, I worry that the first diamond may not be completely eye clean. If it's for an engagement, the diamond will absolutely be ogled at on every last angle. The black inclusion is quite small, but possibly detectable. Did the gemologist say anything about this?

Just a general comment: I would not go below a J, and I would actually recommend staying at or above I color. If you can't see warmth in a J in diffuse light, then you need to have your eyes inspected. It's just a matter of preference whether you want to see that color or not. The images in the JA video show this quite well. You can also pull up images of set diamonds on the JA website and watch them spin to see the color contrast between white metal and the diamond. This gives a very accurate sense of diamond color. Even better, go to a store and look at it.

 

[teobdl]

Re: ideal scope images help between this two 1.2s round diam

Deleted post... a little misunderstanding.

 

[qqkuna]

Re: ideal scope images help between this two 1.2s round diam

Thank you guys! I am a bit overwhelmed to have so many experts helping me


Here is what James Allen gemologist wrote to me: (177406 is the first and 310529 is the second)


Thank you for your patience while waiting for the gemologist inspection of diamonds 174406, 310529. I'm happy to say that the gemologist has good things to say about both your diamond!

Diamond 174406 is their personal favorite! It has excellent fire, brilliance, and scintillation and performs the strongest of your selections. Its brightness balances throughout the diamond, and it offers a true "J" color. The average eye won't see this, but the gemologist's trained eye viewed as have a slightly higher/whiter "J" color. Again, this will be negligible to the average person. Lastly, as we'd expect, the diamond faces completely eye clean.

Diamond 310529 is exceptionally bright and lively as well and ranks a close second for light performance. It has a true "J" color and is also completely eye clean.

 

[Lorelei]

Re: ideal scope images help between this two 1.2s round diam

Thank you guys! I am a bit overwhelmed to have so many experts helping me


Here is what James Allen gemologist wrote to me: (177406 is the first and 310529 is the second)


Thank you for your patience while waiting for the gemologist inspection of diamonds 174406, 310529. I'm happy to say that the gemologist has good things to say about both your diamond!

Diamond 174406 is their personal favorite! It has excellent fire, brilliance, and scintillation and performs the strongest of your selections. Its brightness balances throughout the diamond, and it offers a true "J" color. The average eye won't see this, but the gemologist's trained eye viewed as have a slightly higher/whiter "J" color. Again, this will be negligible to the average person. Lastly, as we'd expect, the diamond faces completely eye clean.

Diamond 310529 is exceptionally bright and lively as well and ranks a close second for light performance. It has a true "J" color and is also completely eye clean.

Glad we were able to help, please don't be overwhelmed, we are a friendly group of amateur enthusiasts for the most part that enjoy helping others find great diamonds!

That sounds very promising, personally from the info we have, 174406 is my front runner, no concerns at all with any aspect of either of these diamonds, I have found James Allen's gemologists to be honest and describe the diamonds to the best of their ability over the years, so I think you have two very fine stones to pick from, should you decide to do so.

 

[proto]

Re: ideal scope images help between this two 1.2s round diam

I would specify what you mean by eyeclean and ask him to confirm before pulling any triggers though

 

[Lorelei]

Re: ideal scope images help between this two 1.2s round diam

I would specify what you mean by eyeclean and ask him to confirm before pulling any triggers though

There shouldn't ' usually' be any concerns with ' eye cleanliness' in VS2 clarities of that size, but it never hurts to clarify that such a stone is completely eye clean according to the buyer's personal expectations.