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I think for people that buys D-FL kind of stone...
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As it happens, I play video games for a hobby (hooray for "City of Heroes!") and sometimes visit other video-game-related b-boards. On those boards, this type of post is called a "flame" and the sort of person who would make such a post is called a "troll."
I agree that this sort of post is both inappropriate and inflammatory. I hope that the board moderators (is this board moderated? I don't even know) will be by soon to lock and/or remove it.
Don't feed the troll!
Jen
I agree that this sort of post is both inappropriate and inflammatory. I hope that the board moderators (is this board moderated? I don't even know) will be by soon to lock and/or remove it.
Don't feed the troll!
Jen
Fight trolls with logic...
I'm in the processing of getting an e-ring. My center stone is an emerald, and I chose two pear-shaped diamonds for side stones. I got two D color VS2 for a very good price. Why? Because the "rarity" of the emerald (in terms of quality) would be an E IF if it were a diamond. I wanted side stones that "matched" this as good as I could without breaking the bank.
So no, it's not about ego. Some people simply place a different value on quality than others.
I'm in the processing of getting an e-ring. My center stone is an emerald, and I chose two pear-shaped diamonds for side stones. I got two D color VS2 for a very good price. Why? Because the "rarity" of the emerald (in terms of quality) would be an E IF if it were a diamond. I wanted side stones that "matched" this as good as I could without breaking the bank.
So no, it's not about ego. Some people simply place a different value on quality than others.
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hmmm....VTigger- maybe rephrase.... I think what you mean is that people who like to buy D IF are not buying to satisfy their eyes, but their minds also...like you told me...that is very true. For example, my sister, is married to a surgeon, and she sports the same D IF 1 carat that she's had for the past 10 years. Even when they didn't have money, she was the type of person who took pride in wearing "the best" even if no one else knew. I'm a little more flashy than her, so I'm the type to go for an F or G vs2 or Si1 (eye clean si1 lol)... It's just a preference...EGO is too strong of a word...but I do understnad what you are trying to say...
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I don't think vtigger is a troll. He's made over 100 posts in the past couple months. He's just trying to generate conversation, maybe in a more controversial way than most do! And seriously, who around here has a flawless stone? I thought that grading was hardly ever handed out. IF is much more common.
I think that after a person has spent a lot of time learning about diamonds and what makes a diamond pleasing to the eye, they can make an educated decision as to what their personal preferences are. I think you're right that the eyes and ego weigh in here. But also consider that maybe a person is looking for a diamond with certain cut or weight specs, and the first one to come along is a D/FL. I mean, you have to admit that is a very special diamond. A superidealcut D FL???? I'd get one if I could, just to have such a rarity in my possession. I would just be in awe of this near perfect rock on my finger!
But I agree that it can be overdoing it. When a person says they want an IF or FL, I kind of wonder if they know that those grades are only accurate to a certain magnification. And personally, I don't see the importance of having a super-clean stone- somewhere closer to eyeclean is more reasonable to me! But I have found while reading posts here that a clarity preference is really personal and is usually a waste to spend time arguing about. People have their comfort levels, and that's absolutely fine and understandable to me!
I think that after a person has spent a lot of time learning about diamonds and what makes a diamond pleasing to the eye, they can make an educated decision as to what their personal preferences are. I think you're right that the eyes and ego weigh in here. But also consider that maybe a person is looking for a diamond with certain cut or weight specs, and the first one to come along is a D/FL. I mean, you have to admit that is a very special diamond. A superidealcut D FL???? I'd get one if I could, just to have such a rarity in my possession. I would just be in awe of this near perfect rock on my finger!
But I agree that it can be overdoing it. When a person says they want an IF or FL, I kind of wonder if they know that those grades are only accurate to a certain magnification. And personally, I don't see the importance of having a super-clean stone- somewhere closer to eyeclean is more reasonable to me! But I have found while reading posts here that a clarity preference is really personal and is usually a waste to spend time arguing about. People have their comfort levels, and that's absolutely fine and understandable to me!
Vtigger is not a troll as mentioned. The statement is not inflamatory in it's purist sense.
Satisfy own ego - basically buying the specs on paper to know (for whatever reason) that the diamond is rare & perfect. It's psychological & not physoilogical - as your eye is not going to notice perfect clarity and probably none to little in terms of color perception between a D & an E. So, yep - you're buying the paper that says it.
One could say that my choice is equally ego. I'm kinda Zen. The thought of something perfect irks me. Hence, the reason I don't mind seeing something. Sort of fun to me.
That said, Ces't le vie. The only time I wince at the choice is when a guy is so hung up on it - to the detriment of finding out what the gal may like. But, I beleive in buying a gift for the *other* person's enjoyment - not something I'm gonna enjoy.
Satisfy own ego - basically buying the specs on paper to know (for whatever reason) that the diamond is rare & perfect. It's psychological & not physoilogical - as your eye is not going to notice perfect clarity and probably none to little in terms of color perception between a D & an E. So, yep - you're buying the paper that says it.
One could say that my choice is equally ego. I'm kinda Zen. The thought of something perfect irks me. Hence, the reason I don't mind seeing something. Sort of fun to me.
That said, Ces't le vie. The only time I wince at the choice is when a guy is so hung up on it - to the detriment of finding out what the gal may like. But, I beleive in buying a gift for the *other* person's enjoyment - not something I'm gonna enjoy.
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Interesting thread:
While the original question could be in some ways answered yes specially considering that there is no such thing as a truly internally flawless diamond they are all flawed if you crank up the magnification high enough its not that simple.
One of the neat things about diamonds is that there is such a huge variation among them and you will find different large groups that value one property over another and defend that stance against everyone then you look some more and you find another group that totally disagrees. Guess what it comes down to a personal decision there isn’t a right or wrong answer.
Around here its cut that is prized with pretty much everything else being secondary with some compromises being made to get the cut level most prize.
Another group its all about cost and the attitude is that a diamond is a diamond is a diamond.
Another group it’s all about color and the farther it’s from D the better they like it.
The bottom line is that there isn’t a right or wrong answer if the person makes an informed decision and is happy with the diamond.
While the original question could be in some ways answered yes specially considering that there is no such thing as a truly internally flawless diamond they are all flawed if you crank up the magnification high enough its not that simple.
One of the neat things about diamonds is that there is such a huge variation among them and you will find different large groups that value one property over another and defend that stance against everyone then you look some more and you find another group that totally disagrees. Guess what it comes down to a personal decision there isn’t a right or wrong answer.
Around here its cut that is prized with pretty much everything else being secondary with some compromises being made to get the cut level most prize.
Another group its all about cost and the attitude is that a diamond is a diamond is a diamond.
Another group it’s all about color and the farther it’s from D the better they like it.
The bottom line is that there isn’t a right or wrong answer if the person makes an informed decision and is happy with the diamond.
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Vtigger, I don't know if it's always ego. Sometimes I think DeBeers has a lot to answer for. LOL I know I can't count the times that I have heard that D is the "best" choice and the most flawless are the most rare and therefore prized for that. (not here, but other places) I think that I can remember quite a few new searchers here saying they must have a D fl until the members get a chance to educate them. If your only knowledge of what is the "best" is a DeBeers ad, that might indeed be your perception of what you need to purchase. When I was searching, I had a choice between a .61 E and a .76 I. They were only a $100 difference in price. Because I had found this board, I realized that nobody would be able to tell by looking what color my diamond was because of its extraordinary cut. So, I bought the bigger one. If I had just gone by what I was conditioned to believe, I would have gone with the E thinking that everyone would know I was wearing a lower color if I chose the larger one.
Thanks for the question, Vtig, it really made me think.
Shay
Edited for spelling.
Thanks for the question, Vtig, it really made me think.
Shay
Edited for spelling.
I would say that this is up to the person wearing the rock what he/she would prefer. Really I've talked to people who would not wear anything that wasn't D-E-F or basically colorless, and then I've seen a very fine cut diamond, 8*, that sparkled like crazy and seemed pretty clear at a J color. Some people want flawless or IF diamonds and some don't care as long as it's an eye clean SI1. I really think it's the person who wears it who will care the most. Then I talked to a diamond vendor once who said that he wouldn't give his wife anything less than a D color diamond, but he wouldn't be so bent up on clarity as long as it was eye clean. Once again, it's really up to the person who wears it I think. I went to a jewelry store once and the guy was saying that F and G were hard to figure out so he gave me two diamonds, one of F and G color. He didn't think I would figure either diamond out correctly. And I have to say it was hard except that I asked for a clean white sheet of paper. I figured it out correctly, but it was hard. I don't think people would carrry around a white sheet of paper to determine what color diamond one would be wearing. Anyway, I think perhaps it's psychological that some of us want the rarest color and/or clarity of diamond. Maybe it is a status symbol for us to know that we can afford such a rare and beautiful diamond. However, for the most part I think most of us just don't want one that's too yellow (except if it's a fancy yellow) and one that is eye clean and sparkles. Different strokes for different folks.
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I dont think its ego either..i would have to think that its preference..peace of mind maybe. When i first started my search for my ering, i was all about the D color, and VVS-something or other. However i was on a budget and i wanted a larger enough stone..so after educating myself here and other places, i found that even though i love the best of the best..going down in color and clarity but getting the "best" cut, still satisfied my need for the superior quality. Looking back on it now, i could have even gone lower in clarity...i love my stone, so much that i get nervous whenever anyone has my ring for maintanence, what have you..and having a stone with a "beauty" mark would make it easier to tell its still my baby! my darn inclusion is sooo hard to find! go figure! hahaha... JMHO...
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I Think also for some it may be misinformation on what to buy. We see so many people come in here with misconceptions of how a diamond can look beautiful ( D VVVS required anyone?), wherever they get the information beforehand, be it a jewelry store or a magazine or whatever...usually once they get some additional info, they realize that they can get a bigger stone or better cut quality if they drop color or clarity or both etc.
But then there are the selective few who take that D VVS mental requirement and turn it into D IF or D FL and then just run with it. Or those who are convinced D is the absolute only thing that looks good. Or that FL or IF is what they require, even if it takes I color to get it. Nothing will dissuade them.
But then there are the selective few who take that D VVS mental requirement and turn it into D IF or D FL and then just run with it. Or those who are convinced D is the absolute only thing that looks good. Or that FL or IF is what they require, even if it takes I color to get it. Nothing will dissuade them.
There are other factors to be considered besides color and clarity. Diamonds, as a rule, are not a good investment.
However, D flawless stones of high quality can be a good investment and are more likely to retain value because of rarity.
I bought on Pricescope because I wanted to get the best stone I could for the price. If I am looking to invest my money, I have other options. I am very pleased with my ring but I am well aware that it is not perfect and is not investment quality. The last thing I would have looked for was a D flawless stone.
But if you look at the Magnificent Jewelry sales at the auction houses, exceptional D flawless stones fetch very high prices because of their rarity. In many cases, they are a good investment
There is a market for every consumer and Pricescope serves those of us who are looking for the best value for the money.
However, D flawless stones of high quality can be a good investment and are more likely to retain value because of rarity.
I bought on Pricescope because I wanted to get the best stone I could for the price. If I am looking to invest my money, I have other options. I am very pleased with my ring but I am well aware that it is not perfect and is not investment quality. The last thing I would have looked for was a D flawless stone.
But if you look at the Magnificent Jewelry sales at the auction houses, exceptional D flawless stones fetch very high prices because of their rarity. In many cases, they are a good investment
There is a market for every consumer and Pricescope serves those of us who are looking for the best value for the money.
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Let's rephrase his question a little. You have two stones placed in front of you and are told the price is the same. You have a loupe and nothing else but your naked eye.
The dimensions of the two stones are:
5.3x5.3x3.27
8.19x8.24x4.95
Behind the scenes we know stone 1 is a .53 carat D/IF 1A cut round and stone 2 is a 2.02 carat H/SI1 1A cut round. How many are going to pick stone A over stone B just by looking? (prices are the same on pricescope)
Now the certs are brought out and you can see the specs for each stone. How many would change their mind?
The dimensions of the two stones are:
5.3x5.3x3.27
8.19x8.24x4.95
Behind the scenes we know stone 1 is a .53 carat D/IF 1A cut round and stone 2 is a 2.02 carat H/SI1 1A cut round. How many are going to pick stone A over stone B just by looking? (prices are the same on pricescope)
Now the certs are brought out and you can see the specs for each stone. How many would change their mind?
I love this. But, I would also throw in the mix a G VS stone. Without knowing anything about any of the stones- except for a visual of each side by side - what would one choose?
I'd love to see the same test done w/ the small stone from Tiffany's & an equal quality larger stone *not from Tiffany's. Hey, it is Friday!
That said, Solange, I think it's when you get into the larger stones that there could be investment purposes of a D/IF stone. I've always heard they are the slower moving stones in general. So, a quicker sell may be in the G/VS range. But, I agree that any diamond is not a good investment. It's a pretty good place to park some cash & enjoy it if you are in it for the long haul. And, one hundred years of track record is still in place.
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I agree....I wouldn't pick either...but throw in a G and I'm sold!
It's funny though, now that I have an F (which I think I have to return for better clarity)...I have F envy...I totally understand how it's mental...I'm actually bummed I have to go to a G....POOR me. Please. But I can understand the mental aspect.
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LOL Yes, I think we both have a case of "open mouth, insert foot," ha ha ha!
Jen
PS. By the way, when I eventually get my diamond (will not be any time in the remotely near future) I do not want a "D" ish color at all... I want to go for a pretty yellow, like a nice u-z somewhere (looks nice in a yellow gold bezel, but not as expensive as a "fancy" GIA color, which I doubt I could ever afford.) And flourescence if I possibly can! I want to turn on a blacklight and have it go, POW!!!!!
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