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Because they do not allow you to select your stones, no information is given on individual stone, you just pick the 4C and they send you the a stone. Probably a piece of frozen spit for all you know.
 
If you read carefully, it appears they are importers of enhanced stones. They are most likely selling fracture filled, but very obviously trying not to state that fact too clearly. There is no such thing as a GIA appraisal, as they state on their home page they provide, that should be the first sign that something is not kosher, I''m sure there is some law against stating that. It''s scary what some people get away with, IMO.
 
To: JVCLegal.org

Hi JoAnne,

It’s been awhile since we’ve spoken, but I ran across this web site on a public diamond forum this morning and thought you might find the statements made on their web site interesting: http://www.freddydiamonds.com/ specifically the part about being wholesale to the public at the bottom of the main page:

Cheap Engagement rings from Freddy Diamonds. We carry affordable engagement rings that are all at inexpensive, wholesale prices to the public. Our wholesale jewelry provides the lowest priced discount diamond engagement rings available. Our every day pricing is lower than any competitors diamond ring pricing Guaranteed. As diamond importers specializing in affordable diamond jewelry, we supply Jewelers who buy and supply you right over the phone too! Give us a call now in the NYC Diamond District 212-265-1915

From this page: http://www.freddydiamonds.com/learn.html

Real 100% Diamonds
Real Diamonds, Hand Cut and enhanced. Real Diamonds From Planet Earth that have simply been cleaned up with a laser or pressurized with 4000 lbs of pressure per Square Inch to inject optical properties into the diamond to minimize any natural occuring imperfections. Lasers are used on human eye surgery, dermotology procedures and now real diamonds. This is our secret to our providing you real diamonds at an affordable price.

All diamonds guaranteed and include an independant gia appraisal (replacement value two - four times cost).


1. When did the GIA start issuing lab reports on diamonds which have been enhanced?
2. When did the GIA begin to issue "appraisals" ?!?!
3. I do not believe that the statement pertaining to “enhanced” diamonds provides proper disclosure of laser drilled / fracture filled / clarity enhanced to the public in accordance with FTC Guidelines.
4. Please investigate.

 Todd Gray, President
 Nice Ice, Inc.
 
Nice Todd, thanks for taking the initiative...
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Date: 10/14/2009 12:17:04 PM
Author: Todd Gray
To: JVCLegal.org

Hi JoAnne,

It’s been awhile since we’ve spoken, but I ran across this web site on a public diamond forum this morning and thought you might find the statements made on their web site interesting: http://www.freddydiamonds.com/ specifically the part about being wholesale to the public at the bottom of the main page:

Cheap Engagement rings from Freddy Diamonds. We carry affordable engagement rings that are all at inexpensive, wholesale prices to the public. Our wholesale jewelry provides the lowest priced discount diamond engagement rings available. Our every day pricing is lower than any competitors diamond ring pricing Guaranteed. As diamond importers specializing in affordable diamond jewelry, we supply Jewelers who buy and supply you right over the phone too! Give us a call now in the NYC Diamond District 212-265-1915

From this page: http://www.freddydiamonds.com/learn.html

Real 100% Diamonds
Real Diamonds, Hand Cut and enhanced. Real Diamonds From Planet Earth that have simply been cleaned up with a laser or pressurized with 4000 lbs of pressure per Square Inch to inject optical properties into the diamond to minimize any natural occuring imperfections. Lasers are used on human eye surgery, dermotology procedures and now real diamonds. This is our secret to our providing you real diamonds at an affordable price.

All diamonds guaranteed and include an independant gia appraisal (replacement value two - four times cost).


1. When did the GIA start issuing lab reports on diamonds which have been enhanced?
2. When did the GIA begin to issue ''appraisals'' ?!?!
3. I do not believe that the statement pertaining to “enhanced” diamonds provides proper disclosure of laser drilled / fracture filled / clarity enhanced to the public in accordance with FTC Guidelines.
4. Please investigate.

 Todd Gray, President
 Nice Ice, Inc.
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Date: 10/14/2009 9:32:36 AM
Author:diamond_king

why they are so cheap ?
Cheap as opposed to what?

They’re selling in-house graded clarity enhanced diamonds with no grading info beyond a unsupported range of clarities using an unknown non-GIA scale and an unknown color reference, also stated as a range (it’s possible that they’re using the GIA scale for color but the GIA clarity scale specifically does NOT apply to fracture filled goods). Their claim that they are less expensive than the asking prices at the most expensive stores in the mall selling completely different merchandise doesn’t persuade me even though I’m willing to accept that it’s probably true and the fact that they devote a significant amount of their advertising space to making such a comparison while ignoring their actual competition strikes me as a very bad sign.

There’s quite a few sellers of these things out there although they aren’t being sold by the dealers here and it's a forum violation to be discussing them (although I think it's ok to be discussing a dealer, just not the products). Ebay is chock full of competitors for example. They have a whole product category for this. I wouldn’t venture to guess who is cheapest because there’s basically no information about what's actually being sold but similar claims abound and most seem to quote lower prices.

By the way, is the origin on planet Earth supposed to be a feature? Personally I would be tickled to buy a diamond that they could convince me came from somewhere else. Now THAT would be something rare and unusual.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
 
Date: 10/14/2009 1:02:35 PM
Author: denverappraiser

There’s quite a few sellers of these things out there although they aren’t being sold by the dealers here and it''s a forum violation to be discussing them (although I think it''s ok to be discussing a dealer, just not the products). Ebay is chock full of competitors for example. They have a whole product category for this. I wouldn’t venture to guess who is cheapest because there’s basically no information about what''s actually being sold but similar claims abound and most seem to quote lower prices.

By the way, is the origin on planet Earth supposed to be a feature? Personally I would be tickled to buy a diamond that they could convince me came from somewhere else. Now THAT would be something rare and unusual.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver

Actually I have my suspicions that this post is an attempt to promote this web site and I''m guessing that it backfired... The people here on PS are not likely to fall for this type of blatant spamming of their forum, nor absurd marketing statements.

There have been theories about whether diamonds came to earth from outer space, but apparently I have forgotten to secure a few "Diamonds from Space" versus "Diamonds from Earth" domains. Silly me
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You know, my buddy Wink over at HPD is a marketing genius, I''ll bet he has a few
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Date: 10/14/2009 12:17:04 PM
Author: Todd Gray
To: JVCLegal.org
4. Please investigate.
 Todd Gray, President

 Nice Ice, Inc.
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Date: 10/14/2009 1:23:34 PM
Author: haagen_dazs

Date: 10/14/2009 12:17:04 PM
Author: Todd Gray
To: JVCLegal.org
4. Please investigate.
 Todd Gray, President

 Nice Ice, Inc.
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haagen_dazs.

I applaud your applause, but sincerely, I feel it deserves a 5 applause rating! Or as we say in poker, I see your applause and I raise you one...

Wink

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Date: 10/14/2009 1:17:17 PM
Author: Todd Gray

Date: 10/14/2009 1:02:35 PM
Author: denverappraiser

There’s quite a few sellers of these things out there although they aren’t being sold by the dealers here and it''s a forum violation to be discussing them (although I think it''s ok to be discussing a dealer, just not the products). Ebay is chock full of competitors for example. They have a whole product category for this. I wouldn’t venture to guess who is cheapest because there’s basically no information about what''s actually being sold but similar claims abound and most seem to quote lower prices.

By the way, is the origin on planet Earth supposed to be a feature? Personally I would be tickled to buy a diamond that they could convince me came from somewhere else. Now THAT would be something rare and unusual.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver

Actually I have my suspicions that this post is an attempt to promote this web site and I''m guessing that it backfired... The people here on PS are not likely to fall for this type of blatant spamming of their forum, nor absurd marketing statements.

There have been theories about whether diamonds came to earth from outer space, but apparently I have forgotten to secure a few ''Diamonds from Space'' versus ''Diamonds from Earth'' domains. Silly me
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You know, my buddy Wink over at HPD is a marketing genius, I''ll bet he has a few
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LOL!!! Why yes, please visit my latest domain, ww.HPdiamondsFromEarth.com. Oh and don''t forget my older siite, ww.WinkJonesFromEarth.com, I hear that they both have killer 404 pages.
 
Date: 10/14/2009 1:43:51 PM
Author: Wink
LOL!!! Why yes, please visit my latest domain, ww.HPdiamondsFromEarth.com. Oh and don''t forget my older siite, ww.WinkJonesFromEarth.com, I hear that they both have killer 404 pages.

Um, you''s gonna get banned from PS for self-promotion of your NEW 404 Pages
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I swear to God that I just goobed up my keyboard with the coffee that I just blew all over it
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Only a seasoned PS guru could bring us "Killer 404 Pages from Space!"
 
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Date: 10/14/2009 1:38:47 PM
Author: Wink
Date: 10/14/2009 1:23:34 PM

Author: haagen_dazs


Date: 10/14/2009 12:17:04 PM

Author: Todd Gray

To: JVCLegal.org

4. Please investigate.

 Todd Gray, President


 Nice Ice, Inc.

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haagen_dazs.


I applaud your applause, but sincerely, I feel it deserves a 5 applause rating! Or as we say in poker, I see your applause and I raise you one...


Wink


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Date: 10/14/2009 2:40:14 PM
Author: geckodani
"I think this is going to be one of those days where my husband pats me on the head and deposits me on the couch for safekeeping."

Do you have any idea how funny that statement really is?
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I get in trouble for this all the time... And there really are good intentions behind the action.
 
Date: 10/14/2009 3:38:08 PM
Author: Todd Gray



Date: 10/14/2009 2:40:14 PM
Author: geckodani
'I think this is going to be one of those days where my husband pats me on the head and deposits me on the couch for safekeeping.'

Do you have any idea how funny that statement really is?
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I get in trouble for this all the time... And there really are good intentions behind the action.
Why thank you. It's even funnier because it's true and a regular occurance!
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I'm a HUGE klutz, and frequently have days along the lines of: I burned my hand at breakfast, spilled my coffee in my car, slammed my hand in a door at work, caught my sweater in my chair, etc etc etc... And I will occasionally get home, have another klutz out, be hugged, pat on the head, scooped up and deposited on the couch. Apparantly it's safer there.

Although, the one side is broken at the moment, so we may need to relocate my safe place.
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You shouldn't get in trouble for it, IMO. At least not as long as it's warranted! LOL!
 
Date: 10/14/2009 4:18:27 PM
Author: geckodani
Why thank you. It''s even funnier because it''s true and a regular occurrence!
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I''m a HUGE klutz, and frequently have days along the lines of: I burned my hand at breakfast, spilled my coffee in my car, slammed my hand in a door at work, caught my sweater in my chair, etc etc etc... And I will occasionally get home, have another klutz out, be hugged, pat on the head, scooped up and deposited on the couch. Apparently it''s safer there.

You shouldn''t get in trouble for it, IMO. At least not as long as it''s warranted! LOL!

So you and my fiance Valerie should be friends
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She''s not permitted to handle knives in the kitchen! This is for my protection as well as hers... She likes to walk into door jams, I''m trying to teach her to walk through the middle of the door! And she''s given herself two concussions during the time we''ve been together, the first one while doing laundry... yea, she bent down to pick up a sock that fell on the floor and came up underneath the door handle to the garage with enough force for me to hear the crash from across the house... And the next from coming up beneath a cabinet door that she had opened. Of course, my hidden talent is that I''m prone to falling UP the stairs?!?!
 
Date: 10/14/2009 5:03:01 PM
Author: Todd Gray

So you and my fiance Valerie should be friends
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She''s not permitted to handle knives in the kitchen! This is for my protection as well as hers... She likes to walk into door jams, I''m trying to teach her to walk through the middle of the door! And she''s given herself two concussions during the time we''ve been together, the first one while doing laundry... yea, she bent down to pick up a sock that fell on the floor and came up underneath the door handle to the garage with enough force for me to hear the crash from across the house... And the next from coming up beneath a cabinet door that she had opened. Of course, my hidden talent is that I''m prone to falling UP the stairs?!?!
Ah yes, falling upstairs. I''m familiar.
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It''s a finely honed skill.

I too walk into door jambs. They move inexplicably, I swear they do!!! Walls do the same thing!!! According to the hubs, I have different varieties of yelp. There''s, "I just dorked out," "I just hurt myself but am mostly pissed about it," (that one comes with a lot of swearing) and then the more dire, "I''m actually hurt." Sad when your husband has categorized your yelping.
 
Date: 10/14/2009 5:44:53 PM
Author: geckodani
Ah yes, falling upstairs. I''m familiar.
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It''s a finely honed skill.

I too walk into door jambs. They move inexplicably, I swear they do!!! Walls do the same thing!!! According to the hubs, I have different varieties of yelp. There''s, ''I just dorked out,'' ''I just hurt myself but am mostly pissed about it,'' (that one comes with a lot of swearing) and then the more dire, ''I''m actually hurt.'' Sad when your husband has categorized your yelping.

Too funny, I also categorize my level of response depending on the degree of the yelp that Valerie makes when she klutzes up. Of course I walked through the front door last night to "Hey thanks buddy for outing me on PS... You''re just lucky that you were chatting with somebody who is as much of a klutz as I am."

Thankfully she has become somewhat accustomed to the realization that parts of our relationship are ''public'' in much the same way that a radio DJ is likely to talk about his relationship ''on air'' as ours might be discussed ''online'' but I still get called out for it - probably because she''s afraid of where I might go if I''m left unchecked
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Yes Dancing Fire, it seems that your Uncle Freddy has left the car business for a career in the diamond business, cheesy video and all! Clearly he couldn''t make it in cars and he''s probably not going to make it in diamonds. Coming Soon! www.UncleFreddysWorldOfVacuumCleaners.com Doh! I think I might have just insulted the Vacuum Cleaner industry... My bad.
 
Date: 10/15/2009 11:55:52 AM
Author: Todd Gray

Too funny, I also categorize my level of response depending on the degree of the yelp that Valerie makes when she klutzes up. Of course I walked through the front door last night to ''Hey thanks buddy for outing me on PS... You''re just lucky that you were chatting with somebody who is as much of a klutz as I am.''

Thankfully she has become somewhat accustomed to the realization that parts of our relationship are ''public'' in much the same way that a radio DJ is likely to talk about his relationship ''on air'' as ours might be discussed ''online'' but I still get called out for it - probably because she''s afraid of where I might go if I''m left unchecked
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Yes Dancing Fire, it seems that your Uncle Freddy has left the car business for a career in the diamond business, cheesy video and all! Clearly he couldn''t make it in cars and he''s probably not going to make it in diamonds. Coming Soon! www.UncleFreddysWorldOfVacuumCleaners.com Doh! I think I might have just insulted the Vacuum Cleaner industry... My bad.
Heh. Well, if it makes her feel any better, I may be more of a klutz than she. Adam (DH) has had to take me to the hospital for a slew of random things. I''ve been in there for stepping on nails, dropping cabinets on my feet, spraining ankles just walking around, spraining ankles walking around, spraining ankles walking around (sensing a pattern here?) etc. I once tripped over a tree root and injured my foot so badly I still have nerve damage.
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Which doesn''t help with the already present lack of balance! Hah!

I tripped over a shoe this morning coming out of the closet, made a cartoonish yipe, swirled the arms in the air for balance and ended up sprawled on the floor laughing. Adam was shaving, and just kind of looked out of the bathroom, shook his head, cracked up and went back to shaving.
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So Valerie is in good company.
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And yes, sometimes it is odd how much of our lives end up on the internet!

Dancing Fire! Reign in that uncle of yours.
 
Date: 10/15/2009 12:38:56 PM
Author: geckodani
Date: 10/15/2009 11:55:52 AM

Author: Todd Gray

Too funny, I also categorize my level of response depending on the degree of the yelp that Valerie makes when she klutzes up. Of course I walked through the front door last night to ''Hey thanks buddy for outing me on PS... You''re just lucky that you were chatting with somebody who is as much of a klutz as I am.''

Thankfully she has become somewhat accustomed to the realization that parts of our relationship are ''public'' in much the same way that a radio DJ is likely to talk about his relationship ''on air'' as ours might be discussed ''online'' but I still get called out for it - probably because she''s afraid of where I might go if I''m left unchecked
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Yes Dancing Fire, it seems that your Uncle Freddy has left the car business for a career in the diamond business, cheesy video and all! Clearly he couldn''t make it in cars and he''s probably not going to make it in diamonds. Coming Soon! www.UncleFreddysWorldOfVacuumCleaners.com Doh! I think I might have just insulted the Vacuum Cleaner industry... My bad.

Heh. Well, if it makes her feel any better, I may be more of a klutz than she. Adam (DH) has had to take me to the hospital for a slew of random things. I''ve been in there for stepping on nails, dropping cabinets on my feet, spraining ankles just walking around, spraining ankles walking around, spraining ankles walking around (sensing a pattern here?) etc. I once tripped over a tree root and injured my foot so badly I still have nerve damage.
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Which doesn''t help with the already present lack of balance! Hah!

I tripped over a shoe this morning coming out of the closet, made a cartoonish yipe, swirled the arms in the air for balance and ended up sprawled on the floor laughing. Adam was shaving, and just kind of looked out of the bathroom, shook his head, cracked up and went back to shaving.
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So Valerie is in good company.
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And yes, sometimes it is odd how much of our lives end up on the internet!

Dancing Fire! Reign in that uncle of yours.

Wait... How many points do we get for the trip to the hospital to remove the fish bone that she swallowed right after I said "watch out for the bones..."?

You girls and those shoes... They''re like little land mines strewn about all over the house! Do "you" (the collective group known as the female species) realize that you would need fewer shoes if you actually stored them in one place? (This from a self-proclaimed Male Shoe Wh--e) Wait... I think I can answer my own question based on years of relational experience "but I don''t have enough room to store all my shoes in one place" and I know this because this past weekend I overheard Valerie asking one of her friends "Wouldn''t this cute little room make a great closet? I think I''ll ask Todd to convert it into one." (it''s supposed to be an office or sewing room or something)
 
Date: 10/15/2009 12:52:38 PM
Author: Todd Gray

Wait... How many points do we get for the trip to the hospital to remove the fish bone that she swallowed right after I said ''watch out for the bones...''?

You girls and those shoes... They''re like little land mines strewn about all over the house! Do ''you'' (the collective group known as the female species) realize that you would need fewer shoes if you actually stored them in one place? (This from a self-proclaimed Male Shoe Wh--e) Wait... I think I can answer my own question based on years of relational experience ''but I don''t have enough room to store all my shoes in one place'' and I know this because this past weekend I overheard Valerie asking one of her friends ''Wouldn''t this cute little room make a great closet? I think I''ll ask Todd to convert it into one.'' (it''s supposed to be an office or sewing room or something)
Only one problem - it was the husband''s shoe.
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