hey Garry H ...are they cutting more FIC these days?

[Dancing Fire]

any pictures and specs ?

 

[strmrdr]

not that are showing up on PS vendors lists.

 

[Dancing Fire]

i know Karl but i think Garry said he''s asking the factories to cut more FIC.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

I know of one company doing a few more - but they are not recieving good acceptance in the market because too many people find something wrong with them.

For example most are going to be over 53% depth and so will not even show up with default pricescope settings.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 12/16/2008 6:08:12 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
I know of one company doing a few more - but they are not recieving good acceptance in the market because too many people find something wrong with them.


For example most are going to be over 53% depth and so will not even show up with default pricescope settings.

Hmmm there is a market there if someone were to pick them up and feature them with an explanation.

edit: I assume you mean 63% depth.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 12/16/2008 6:17:23 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 12/16/2008 6:08:12 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
I know of one company doing a few more - but they are not recieving good acceptance in the market because too many people find something wrong with them.


For example most are going to be over 53% depth and so will not even show up with default pricescope settings.

Hmmm there is a market there if someone were to pick them up and feature them with an explanation.

edit: I assume you mean 63% depth.

silly me - yes - 63%
This little number would sing like crazy - but none of you would buy it because it is 6% under spread by diameter, but built not unlike Pamela Anderson side on.

 

[strmrdr]

I bet I could sell it :}
Sell it by diameter at the same price of an AGS0 of similar diameter.

 

[Paul-Antwerp]

Have you made a profit in this sale?

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 12/16/2008 8:21:48 AM
Author: Paul-Antwerp
Have you made a profit in this sale?

This is purely theory of course because I don''t sell diamonds but...

Yes I think a nice profit could be made for all involved.
Would require careful planning and rough selection.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

You will buy dodecahedra type rough called makeables - they are like little balls - and use thickish girdles because you have plenty of depth to play with.
You usually only get one stone per rough Storm. Yields are low - generally very nasty maul stones come from this rough - but they go after deep pavilions too.
You can also buy these stones and recut them by simply lowering pavilion angles as long as they have very small tables.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 12/16/2008 3:20:58 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
You will buy dodecahedra type rough called makeables - they are like little balls - and use thickish girdles because you have plenty of depth to play with.

You usually only get one stone per rough Storm. Yields are low - generally very nasty maul stones come from this rough - but they go after deep pavilions too.

You can also buy these stones and recut them by simply lowering pavilion angles as long as they have very small tables.

or design a cut for the tops of regular rough with lowish crowns and deepish pavilions to up total yield.
If I was going to do it the bottom would be an OEC rather than a FIC but could cut both.
Then cut TICs and specialty cuts from the tops.

 

[strmrdr]

Something like my low obstruction OEC cut that has huge mains but keeps obstruction darkness to a reasonable level for the bottom.

 

[stone-cold11]

Is it possible to cut a BIC from the top of the rough and FIC from the rest? Or is the resulting rough too small for that?

 

[strmrdr]

for the tops...

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 12/16/2008 4:40:30 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
Is it possible to cut a BIC from the top of the rough and FIC from the rest? Or is the resulting rough too small for that?

sure you can.. but the classic BIC has a shallow pavilion so your not getting added yield.
A bright BICish type stone with a deeper pavilion would get the yield up.

 

[Paul-Antwerp]

Date: 12/16/2008 4:40:30 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
Is it possible to cut a BIC from the top of the rough and FIC from the rest? Or is the resulting rough too small for that?

Cutting something specific is not a problem, at least not in theory.

The first problem is obtaining the rough, which is a equilibrium-act between offering high enough so that you can buy a parcel and offering low enough so that you can make sufficient profit.

Garry kind of depicted it as if one can walk into the rough-diamond-cornerstore, and buy a specific piece. That is not the case, and depending on your market and capital-strength, one can obtain better assorted parcels. In any case, one always has to accept less nice rough stones that are pushed into an assortment. And Garry made a technical mistake in mentioning dodecahedra as being makeables. Makeables is a totally different animal.

Then comes the problem of marketing. It is entirely possible to produce various looks of stones out of all the rough stones available. But do you have the sales organisation to sell all these different looks? And what is the extra cost, risk and delay of setting up such a sales organisation? All these uncertainties again have an effect on the ability to buy rough. When you factor the uncertainties in, it will reduce the price that you are willing to pay for a parcel of rough. In that case, what is the chance of someone outbidding you, and you not having any rough to start production with?

So, in theory, possibilities are unlimited, in practice however, this may never materialize.

Live long,

 

[strmrdr]

Paul you know I admire your product and the work you do so don''t take this the wrong way.
I think you may be working so hard to carve a niche for yourself in the "ideal" cut market to see the scope of the vision of the market that Garry, Serg, DiaGem and myself see.
I can not speak for them but I see it as a resurgence of the Golden Age of jewelery design with not only custom metal but custom diamonds that are made to fill the dreams of the designer and his/her customers.
Take that vision and apply it up and down the market and that is what I see.
On top of that is a huge shift in the type of lighting in homes of the future that is just starting now but set to explode both by legislation and the reality of infrastructure and energy costs.

 

[Paul-Antwerp]

No offense, Karl.

But I do think that you take my points the wrong way.

I was just pointing out the obstacles, which make the difference between theory and practice. There is no use in having a vision if one does not want to accept the obstacles that need to be overcome when executing the vision. In that way, my remarks, based upon being present in every aspect of this business, are extremely useful.

I personally wish you the best of luck in this venture, but as a friend, I need to warn you about the pitfalls.

Live long,

 

[strmrdr]

Thanks for the clarification Paul.
I think that once one or 2 people show that it can be done and make money at it then the gates will open and it will become part of the trade.
Those first few do face heavy obstacles.