Helppp!!! with my Diamond e-Ring

[Rocco]

After looking for the past two months online and in B&M''s, I went to a small local jeweler that appears reputable.
Ladies and Gentlemen:

I am interested in your opinions regarding the following loose round diamond:

EGL-Israel Certification:
1.50 carats
"Tolkowski ideal Cut"
Measurements: 7.32mm x 7.28mm x 4.54mm
Depth: 62.2%
Table: 58%
Crown: 15%
Pavillion: 43%
Girdle: Slightly Thick, Faceted
Culet: None
Polish: Good to Very Good
Symmetry: Very Good
Color: H
Clarity: SI1
Fluor: None

The stone looks great to my eyes and is "eye clean" with a lot of life and sparkle.

The jeweler honestly told me it would end up being an SI2 if graded by GIA but he felt the H color was a correct designation no matter which lab.

He is looking for $7,400 for the ring (which would include setting and mounting it in a 4-prong platinum solitaire setting).

Would I be paying too much? If so, what would you offer?

Any further suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Happy (American-style) Thanksgiving to all of you.

Jeff

 

[kevinraja]

Lets say we take your dealer for his word that the stone''s clarity is SI2. From the link below you can look for yourself that EGL labs are one grade lenient when compared to GIA or AGSL labs. That brings the color your interested stone from H to I. For a I color SI2 stone, $7400 is way too high. I would pass the stone and shop more.

http://grading.pricescope.com/color-clarity.aspx

 

[sluke]

The table is too big; the girdle is too thick; the polish & symmetry is too low for a "Tolkowski ideal Cut".

 

[Rocco]

Thank you for your help. I am aware of the considerable variability/softer grading of EGL diamonds.

A bit of clarification regarding the diamond I am referring to:

- The setting, an X-prong, is quite nice and retails for just under $600.

- The price of the loose stone would then be $6800.

- As for the quality of the stone, the HCA gives it a 2.2 or "very good" which would put it just outside the top 5% in terms of cut grade.

I am no expert but I have seen a fair number of G, H, I, and J stones (I begin to see the yellow tinge in "J" diamonds) these last few months and it would appear that the diamond I am refering to could indeed pass for an "H" or a would be a high "I" when compared to GIA stones.

I do appreciate your advice and any further input you might share.

 

[RockDoc]

Tolkowsky vs. Ideal



The standard (AGS) for an ideal cut this stone wouldn''t qualify most likely.


THe tolkowsy "standard" doesn''t have ranges of what the "numbers" should be. It has a 53% Table and a razor thin girdle - so EGL''s Tolkowsky could be a mis-statement.


Get it checked...

Rockdoc

 

[rosy]

Let your eyes be the final judge. It sounds like it is pleasing to your eyes. Check to see what the store has in the way of a return or exchange policy just in case.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

1. the survey was of EGL-USa. They were stricter on 1/3rd of clarity and softer on 2/3rds of color than GIA.
2. Anecdotal and my own experiance support the myth that EGL Israle is softer than EGL USA
3. Tolkowsky''s calculations did not support 53% when a table is added - and the formulas do support a range of proportions. Bill / RD have you read this http://www.folds.net/diamond/software_help.html and used the calculators?

 

[valeria101]

Ideal or no ideal, those proportions sound promissing and the price does as well... so why not !

It would be very nice to see an Ideal Scope picture, just because numbers are not that precise. Assuming you are happy with how the clarity looks (are there any glaring inclusions visible without agnification?), there isn''t much left for debate.

 

[valeria101]

Date: 11/25/2004 4:12:34 PM
Author: kevinraja
For a I color SI2 stone, $7400 is way too high. I would pass the stone and shop more.

Hm... yeah... but looking for anything with cut stats in place, taht would be AGS graded (or still EGL) and then the price just about fits (I/SI2 1.5cts come above $6500). And there is no saying that those actually graded SI2 would not be worse in clarity than this borderliner.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 11/26/2004 12:19:52 PM
Author: Quality Diamonds

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[pricescope]

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[Jennifer5973]

Date: 11/26/2004 2:46:42 PM
Author: leonid
yep

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