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Help with stone for engagement ring

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I'm looking to buy a diamond for an engagement ring that will eventually be placed in an engraved solitaire yellow gold setting. I was thinking a 2 to 2.5 ct round that would be nearly colorless and eye clean. I found this possibility in my price range. Could anyone with more experience than me give me any advice about these? Should I have any concerns? Any advice in general? Thanks in advance.

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It won't let me edit the original post, so I'll add this.....

I have a budget of around 15-20k and my SO likes a round diamond in a simple engraved solitaire yellow gold setting. I was thinking a 2 to 2.5 ct round that would be nearly colorless and eye clean. I found this possibility in my price range (14k for this stone). Could anyone with more experience than me give me any advice about this? Should I have any concerns? Any advice in general? Are there any others that might be a better choice? Thanks in advance.
 
Its an EGL stone, so look at the ratings assuming the real diamond would be rated by GIA 2+ colors and 2+ clarity ratings lower. The stone is deeper than recommended for ideal stone and the certification does not list the crown and pavilion angles to run it through the HCA Tool to evaluate how complimentary the angles are (https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca), but maybe another PS member can use software to determine those angles.

You have a great budget. Stick with GIA, HRD or AGS certified stones. I'm sure others will chime in...

Super-Ideals

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PRELOVED
This preloved ring might tick all the boxes, just need to get it engraved.
 
Will the yellow gold setting make any diamond I chose, look more yellow?
 
No. There is a lot of debate about if the prongs should be white or yellow. But, the majority would say keep the prongs white. What does the profile look like?
 
By the numbers, the Zoara stone is worth pursuing. But, I don't believe the will provide IdealScope (IS) and ASET images. It also bothers me that they don't have a real photo. So, that would be a no unless another vendor (like IDJewelery) and pull the stone and tell you if it is eyeclean. I'm doubtful that it is given that the inclusions are black. For a stone this size, it is really important to look at the inclusions as they are readily visible at 1.5 carat and up.

I prefer these.
JA Options (not as clean as the WF above; after your narrow down, you can request up to 3 IS and ASET)

WF Settings {just ask about adding engraving}
 
By the numbers, the Zoara stone is worth pursuing. But, I don't believe the will provide IdealScope (IS) and ASET images. It also bothers me that they don't have a real photo. So, that would be a no unless another vendor (like IDJewelery) and pull the stone and tell you if it is eyeclean. I'm doubtful that it is given that the inclusions are black. For a stone this size, it is really important to look at the inclusions as they are readily visible at 1.5 carat and up.

I prefer these.
JA Options (not as clean as the WF above; after your narrow down, you can request up to 3 IS and ASET)

WF Settings {just ask about adding engraving}
Thanks for the reply, it is very helpful. What do you think about this one?

http://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD8977

It's smaller, but also near the bottom of my budget :)
 
I love HPD, I'd ask them to compare by eye the stone you selected to this one http://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD7636

See which is cleaner by eye. I know this is more expensive, but the inclusions on this one are around the perimeter versus within the main part of the table. Wink won't try to upsell you, so I'd trust his opinion.

For the setting, if you go with HPD, just have them make the ring. I would not let a brick&mortor touch this stone....A couple of thoughts about the setting.
1) You DO NOT want the prong tips to be little balls. You want delicate claw prongs. Really. Look at the last picture below. Much better with sharp prongs.
2) Has she specifically requested the band to have engraving/designs? If not, I would not do so. I would present the solitaire plain and give her the option on choosing the design. Engraving is really a love/hate thing.
3) Here is the side-profile. The head (white gold) make no contact with the shoulders. Too much space from the side. Not good. The ring I posted is the Vatche U-113 and below that the Scroll Solitaire. These are much better constructed and flowing rings. Wink's bench can make a setting inspired by either of these (and may be able to get the Vatche).

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VATCHE U-113
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SCROLL SOLITAIRE - JOSEPH SCHUBACH
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I love HPD, I'd ask them to compare by eye the stone you selected to this one http://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD7636

See which is cleaner by eye. I know this is more expensive, but the inclusions on this one are around the perimeter versus within the main part of the table. Wink won't try to upsell you, so I'd trust his opinion.

For the setting, if you go with HPD, just have them make the ring. I would not let a brick&mortor touch this stone....A couple of thoughts about the setting.
1) You DO NOT want the prong tips to be little balls. You want delicate claw prongs. Really. Look at the last picture below. Much better with sharp prongs.
2) Has she specifically requested the band to have engraving/designs? If not, I would not do so. I would present the solitaire plain and give her the option on choosing the design. Engraving is really a love/hate thing.
3) Here is the side-profile. The head (white gold) make no contact with the shoulders. Too much space from the side. Not good. The ring I posted is the Vatche U-113 and below that the Scroll Solitaire. These are much better constructed and flowing rings. Wink's bench can make a setting inspired by either of these (and may be able to get the Vatche).

setting_template_profile

VATCHE U-113
_33050-jpg.441809



SCROLL SOLITAIRE - JOSEPH SCHUBACH
Scroll%20Solitaire-soc_REG.jpg

Scroll%20Solitaire-soc_2_REG.jpg


Hey, thanks for the tips. I've asked him to pull that other stone as well.

As far as the mounting goes, she sent me this picture after she went to a few local jewelry stores and said she liked this design with the engraved band:
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I think this was just an example of what she likes, but not the exact one she wants.

If I get a mounting similar to this one, do I need to get a wedding band to match? Should I do 18 kt or 14 kt?

Thanks for the advice on the pointy prongs. That does look much better.

How would you decide between the WF ACA stones you suggested and the HPD ones?

Thanks!
 
WF and HPD stone are all super-ideals. So, the difference really comes down to the 'look' of the diamonds and what appeals to you. There are very very small differences in the appearance of the diamonds. Some here will vote for WF, some HPD. I personally vote for HPD. Both have generous upgrade policy (if she every wants a bigger or 'higher' clarity stone) and offer exceptional customer service. Both have excellent benches that will make a great ring that you will love and be made to last.

Also, for a stone of this size, I would recommend 6 prongs over 4. It keeps the stone looking round and protects the girdle of the stone. Also, specify that you want a ring that allows a flush band (that is what she showed you).

1) Don't buy her wedding band. Let her do that or at least be directly involved. She'll make that design decision after she's worn and gotten to know her ering a bit better. She may want something matching, but may also want something sparkly. Let her choose.

2) For engraving, you generally want a harder alloy. So, that means stick with 14k over 18k.

3) Buying a pre-made, pre-engraved ring will likely be the least expensive route. Either WF or HPD can help you find a good ring.

But, if you find a ring and will have it custom engraved, have them only design about 3/4 around on each side of the shank. If she ever needs the ring re-sized, they have to cut the band somewhere and in the middle of a complex pattern is a bummer. If the ring comes engraved, so be it.

Here's are some examples of engraving genres. Most of the pre-made rings will be like the yellow-gold one below. If you end up having it custom engraved, and she has a favorite flower, you might mention that to the engraver. They may be able to incorporate it (without being too literal). Adding engraving like this is usually not terribly expensive. A good engraver, like these below, create a depth and 3-d effect by the work. Often pre-made rings are less dimensional.

Video of HPD ring in the making: https://www.pricescope.com/blog/video-creation-custom-engagement-ring-high-performance-diamonds {great shank and engraving on this ring, but for your girl's inspiration, I'd stick with a more simple basket/head that allows a flush band...see last picture in this never-ending comment :P}

The white gold ring below has a floral look, while the yellow gold band has more feather-inspiration (the top two happen to be by David Klass). The yellow gold one here is more like her inspiration and I'd love to see the incorporation of the Scroll Solitaire type basket if you go this way.

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WF and HPD stone are all super-ideals. So, the difference really comes down to the 'look' of the diamonds and what appeals to you. There are very very small differences in the appearance of the diamonds. Some here will vote for WF, some HPD. I personally vote for HPD. Both have generous upgrade policy (if she every wants a bigger or 'higher' clarity stone) and offer exceptional customer service. Both have excellent benches that will make a great ring that you will love and be made to last.

Also, for a stone of this size, I would recommend 6 prongs over 4. It keeps the stone looking round and protects the girdle of the stone. Also, specify that you want a ring that allows a flush band (that is what she showed you).

1) Don't buy her wedding band. Let her do that or at least be directly involved. She'll make that design decision after she's worn and gotten to know her ering a bit better. She may want something matching, but may also want something sparkly. Let her choose.

2) For engraving, you generally want a harder alloy. So, that means stick with 14k over 18k.

3) Buying a pre-made, pre-engraved ring will likely be the least expensive route. Either WF or HPD can help you find a good ring.

But, if you find a ring and will have it custom engraved, have them only design about 3/4 around on each side of the shank. If she ever needs the ring re-sized, they have to cut the band somewhere and in the middle of a complex pattern is a bummer. If the ring comes engraved, so be it.

Here's are some examples of engraving genres. Most of the pre-made rings will be like the yellow-gold one below. If you end up having it custom engraved, and she has a favorite flower, you might mention that to the engraver. They may be able to incorporate it (without being too literal). Adding engraving like this is usually not terribly expensive. A good engraver, like these below, create a depth and 3-d effect by the work. Often pre-made rings are less dimensional.

Video of HPD ring in the making: https://www.pricescope.com/blog/video-creation-custom-engagement-ring-high-performance-diamonds {great shank and engraving on this ring, but for your girl's inspiration, I'd stick with a more simple basket/head that allows a flush band...see last picture in this never-ending comment :P}

The white gold ring below has a floral look, while the yellow gold band has more feather-inspiration (the top two happen to be by David Klass). The yellow gold one here is more like her inspiration and I'd love to see the incorporation of the Scroll Solitaire type basket if you go this way.

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2911780.jpg
Thanks! That info helps a lot!
 
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