Help with radiant info

[happyscrapper40]

Hi,

I am working with someone local who is looking for the diamonds for me. (not a B&M but someone who is working from home and has been in the business for 20yrs.) This person will be custom making my ring also. A 3 stone, radiant center with trap sides and some hand engraving on the shank 14kt wg. My budget is to stay under $18,000 for this custom ring.

I have read here to stay under 70% on depth and table, also crown should be around 10% or more.

Well!!! this radiant does not fall under that info.
What do you think about the info on this cut corner rectangular Mod. brilliant Radiant
I DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE INFO ON THIS STONE, need help with the information provided.



EGL/USA
2.06 ct
8.11 x 6.43 x 4.80
Depth 74.7%
Table 77%
Girdle Thin to SL. thk polished
Culet None
Crown 7.8%
Pav. 63.9%
Polish GOOD Symm GOOD
SI1
H
Faint blue Flor.

Traps are 5.5 x 3.4 ea. (.33ea.)

I viewed the stones and they look very nice together. The color looks whiter than an H.
I just wanted to know how worried should I be about the depth, table and the crown?

I have been searching alot of info and have come to the conclusion that I can not afford the perfect radiant (not that one exists) I am exhausted with all the do''s & don''ts.

I want "bling",

not worried about all the "reports",

and will not be upgrading in the future; but want to know if you think I am getting a fair deal for $17,000 - $18,000 for a custom 3 stone ring in 14kt wg basket setting with some hand engraving? Radiant is 2.06ct and total ct wt for trapezoids are .66. Total ct wt for ring is 2.72
Or can you find a better deal?
Thanks!

 

[MonkeyDog]

I wish I could answer some of your questions but I''m just another radiant-seeker. I''m looking for around a 2 carat stone as well, maybe smaller, and am seriously thinking of traps on each side also. (You have great taste!!) Like probably everyone will tell you it''s tough to judge a radiant on the numbers alone. When I search based on the "guideline" numbers there is not much to pick from as you have probably found.

Can the person you are working with get in more stones, maybe a branded one, and compare? Sometimes a stone looks good until you see a really *great* version. But, if you love it and it looks great to you, then who''s to say it''s not great? Price sounds a *touch* high to me but IDK what kind of work you''re having done on the ring itself. Are you getting just a total price from this person, or are you having the price broken down per stone, setting, etc.? That might be a better way to compare based on the stone prices you can find here on PS.

 

[SuzyQZ]

Hi Happy!
Welcome to PS

First, my disclaimer: "I am an radiant lover/owner, NOT a professional diamond expert".

Now onto my post.

If you've checked out at the radiant cut grading charts and gone to the Henry Grossbard original radiant cut website, you know what the ideal radiant paramiters are and you know where your diamond fits in (according to those numbers).

Now, that being said, I'll be the first to tell you that the numbers don't tell the whole story by any means. That's just the starting point. There are many, many beautiful radiants that aren't "ideal" if compared to just the "numbers".

So, if you've educated yourself, looked at more than just a few radiants (including Grossbard's Original Radiant) so you have a point of comparison and THIS is the stone you picked because it is so beautiful to your eyes. Well, there you go! You've found the perfect radiant for you! CONGRATULATIONS!

Post pictures of your diamonds and your ring, it sounds really lovely!
You seem really excited and I look forward to seeing your beautiful ring!

Don't get too caught up in the radiant "ideal" numbers, use them more as a "weeding out" tool for separating the "wheat from the chaffe" so to speak.

Be confident that what you see with your eyes is what is the most important. If it is beautiful and this radiant has the "look" you want, well then it is "ideal"... to you!

Looking forward to some pictures.

ETA: I can't help you too much with the price you are paying for the ring. Maybe if you break out the price of each diamond you could do a search on PS and see how the price compares to those found online with similar specs. As far as the custom work on the ring, the price for that could vary greatly depending on the work involved.

 

[canuk-gal]

HI:

Have you seen this? If you are interested you can match your available data and see where the stone you are interested in falls, in terms of cut (old cut charts).

http://www.gemappraisers.com/oldcutgraderules.asp

Also I did a search on the PS database, but couldn''t really find a data match well enough to make a correlation (apples to apples) about pricing. Sorry.

On a personal note, I own a radiant with side traps and I love my ring. The main stone is an H color, and it shows warmth in certain lighting; but this is not surprising as radiants have a propensity to show body color compared to some other fancy cuts. It is no problemmo for me.

BTW, my stone/ring was independently appraised, and honestly I would recommend the same for you. EGL has a tendency to be softer in their color grading, and you will want an accurate value for insurance purposes. Your $$ input into this ring, is worth a second look (at the main stone) before you buy/have it set.

Good luck with your ring building. It can be fun and stressful at the same time! Are you able to show us some pictures of the stone you have your eye on?

cheers--Sharon

 

[happyscrapper40]

Date: 9/25/2007 7:43:08 PM
Author: MonkeyDog
I wish I could answer some of your questions but I''m just another radiant-seeker. I''m looking for around a 2 carat stone as well, maybe smaller, and am seriously thinking of traps on each side also. (You have great taste!!) Like probably everyone will tell you it''s tough to judge a radiant on the numbers alone. When I search based on the ''guideline'' numbers there is not much to pick from as you have probably found.

Can the person you are working with get in more stones, maybe a branded one, and compare? Sometimes a stone looks good until you see a really *great* version. But, if you love it and it looks great to you, then who''s to say it''s not great? Price sounds a *touch* high to me but IDK what kind of work you''re having done on the ring itself. Are you getting just a total price from this person, or are you having the price broken down per stone, setting, etc.? That might be a better way to compare based on the stone prices you can find here on PS.

Thanks MonkeyDog, sounds like we are in good company with great taste. There are some beautiful radiant rings here on PS.
He can get in more stones for me, but it seems to be a slow process and he says he is having a hard time finding 2ct stones. I have given him some specs on what I am looking for.
He did give me prices on stones (which seemed high compared to internet prices), and he gave me a figure of $17,000 on the radiant and traps with the cost to custom makethe ring included.

 

[happyscrapper40]

Date: 9/25/2007 8:08:23 PM
Author: SuzyQZ
Hi Happy!
Welcome to PS

First, my disclaimer: ''I am an radiant lover/owner, NOT a professional diamond expert''.

Now onto my post.

If you''ve checked out at the radiant cut grading charts and gone to the Henry Grossbard original radiant cut website, you know what the ideal radiant paramiters are and you know where your diamond fits in (according to those numbers).

Now, that being said, I''ll be the first to tell you that the numbers don''t tell the whole story by any means. That''s just the starting point. There are many, many beautiful radiants that aren''t ''ideal'' if compared to just the ''numbers''.

So, if you''ve educated yourself, looked at more than just a few radiants (including Grossbard''s Original Radiant) so you have a point of comparison and THIS is the stone you picked because it is so beautiful to your eyes. Well, there you go! You''ve found the perfect radiant for you! CONGRATULATIONS!

Post pictures of your diamonds and your ring, it sounds really lovely!
You seem really excited and I look forward to seeing your beautiful ring!

Don''t get too caught up in the radiant ''ideal'' numbers, use them more as a ''weeding out'' tool for separating the ''wheat from the chaffe'' so to speak.

Be confident that what you see with your eyes is what is the most important. If it is beautiful and this radiant has the ''look'' you want, well then it is ''ideal''... to you!

Looking forward to some pictures.

ETA: I can''t help you too much with the price you are paying for the ring. Maybe if you break out the price of each diamond you could do a search on PS and see how the price compares to those found online with similar specs. As far as the custom work on the ring, the price for that could vary greatly depending on the work involved.

Hi SuzyQZ, thanks for the welcome!

My husband and I will be celebrating our 25th wedding anniversary in January. He is my high school sweetheart. I am very excited about getting a new ring. He is not interested in the details, but would greatly appreciate me staying in budget.

I thought I was getting a head start, but this is taking longer than I thought. I did not know 25 yrs ago what I am learning now about diamonds. I thought NOW would be a great time to find diamonds, BEFORE the rush of the holidays and Valentines day. A 2 ct radiant seems to be hard to find for some reason.
I do not have pictures, I could kick myself, I forgot to bring my camera.

Thank you for your words of wisdom. I will try to not focus so much on all the numbers, but use my eyes for the final judgement.

BTW! Your ring is gorgeous!!!

 

[happyscrapper40]

Date: 9/25/2007 8:46:24 PM
Author: canuk-gal
HI:

Have you seen this? If you are interested you can match your available data and see where the stone you are interested in falls, in terms of cut (old cut charts).

http://www.gemappraisers.com/oldcutgraderules.asp

Also I did a search on the PS database, but couldn''t really find a data match well enough to make a correlation (apples to apples) about pricing. Sorry.

On a personal note, I own a radiant with side traps and I love my ring. The main stone is an H color, and it shows warmth in certain lighting; but this is not surprising as radiants have a propensity to show body color compared to some other fancy cuts. It is no problemmo for me.

BTW, my stone/ring was independently appraised, and honestly I would recommend the same for you. EGL has a tendency to be softer in their color grading, and you will want an accurate value for insurance purposes. Your $$ input into this ring, is worth a second look (at the main stone) before you buy/have it set.

Good luck with your ring building. It can be fun and stressful at the same time! Are you able to show us some pictures of the stone you have your eye on?

cheers--Sharon

Hi Sharon!

I would love to see a pic of your ring.
Thanks for the advice on getting the stones appraised. Hopefully, after seeing a few more stones I can pick a winner and take the next step.
It has been very stressful, but I know the end results will be worth it.
I forgot to bring my camera, so I do not have any pics.

I will post pics as soon as I get them.
Thanks!

 

[Freakazoid]

here''s my question for you. how much is he asking for the diamond itself. I don''t know how much that setting is costing, but even with a custom ring with all of that I honestly can''t see it going over 6k at ALL which gives you 11k for the diamond. For 11k you can easily get a diamond that looks like that 2 carat in size that''s RCDC original radiant cut diamond. Which for all intensive purposes is usually pretty close to ideal.

Imo as well, that depth is way too big period, you''re wasting alot of possible spread, plus that''s too much for a radiant to begin with as well as that table being pretty freaking large as well haha. You find a 1.75 carat diamond with a much lower depth you can have a diamond that literally looks just as big and will most likely look a LOT better.

my 2 cents is to hold out for a better center stone haha

 

[canuk-gal]

Date: 9/25/2007 10:05:57 PM
Author: happyscrapper40

Date: 9/25/2007 8:46:24 PM
Author: canuk-gal
HI:

Have you seen this? If you are interested you can match your available data and see where the stone you are interested in falls, in terms of cut (old cut charts).

http://www.gemappraisers.com/oldcutgraderules.asp

Also I did a search on the PS database, but couldn''t really find a data match well enough to make a correlation (apples to apples) about pricing. Sorry.

On a personal note, I own a radiant with side traps and I love my ring. The main stone is an H color, and it shows warmth in certain lighting; but this is not surprising as radiants have a propensity to show body color compared to some other fancy cuts. It is no problemmo for me.

BTW, my stone/ring was independently appraised, and honestly I would recommend the same for you. EGL has a tendency to be softer in their color grading, and you will want an accurate value for insurance purposes. Your $$ input into this ring, is worth a second look (at the main stone) before you buy/have it set.

Good luck with your ring building. It can be fun and stressful at the same time! Are you able to show us some pictures of the stone you have your eye on?

cheers--Sharon

Hi Sharon!

I would love to see a pic of your ring.
Thanks for the advice on getting the stones appraised. Hopefully, after seeing a few more stones I can pick a winner and take the next step.
It has been very stressful, but I know the end results will be worth it.
I forgot to bring my camera, so I do not have any pics.

I will post pics as soon as I get them.
Thanks!

HI:

Here are two links to pictures taken of my ring.

http://com.pricescope.com/photos/stones/category1003/picture1827.aspx

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/the-fire-thread.51563/

And of SuzyQ''s----hope she doesn''t mind.....

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/the-fire-thread.51563/

P.S. I just wanted to mention that the shopping and choosing of the diamonds can be stressful--I know I endured ther same while shopping for my 20th anni. upgrade. Take your time.

cheers--Sharon

 

[MonkeyDog]

canuk-gal - Your ring is just beautiful. Do you have the specs posted somewhere? I am going kind of crazy looking to match up depth and table numbers to stones that I like.

 

[canuk-gal]

Date: 9/26/2007 12:33:54 PM
Author: MonkeyDog
canuk-gal - Your ring is just beautiful. Do you have the specs posted somewhere? I am going kind of crazy looking to match up depth and table numbers to stones that I like.

HI:

How kind--thank you

! And no, I never did post the lab cert. And I believe that document is in a SDB at the bank. All I recall are the basic specs, like carat weight, clarity and color (5.01, VS1, H). But what I can say is that it is a mad sparkler, blinded my DH when he first saw it, and that fancy cuts beg being seen (vs. relying on numerical data) to judge their nuances. Personally, I like the more rectangular stones (which mine is) as it suits my size 6.25 longish finger.

Have you been out and about trying on stones with different dimensions?

cheers--Sharon

 

[happyscrapper40]

Date: 9/26/2007 12:53:57 AM
Author: Freakazoid
here''s my question for you. how much is he asking for the diamond itself. I don''t know how much that setting is costing, but even with a custom ring with all of that I honestly can''t see it going over 6k at ALL which gives you 11k for the diamond. For 11k you can easily get a diamond that looks like that 2 carat in size that''s RCDC original radiant cut diamond. Which for all intensive purposes is usually pretty close to ideal.

Imo as well, that depth is way too big period, you''re wasting alot of possible spread, plus that''s too much for a radiant to begin with as well as that table being pretty freaking large as well haha. You find a 1.75 carat diamond with a much lower depth you can have a diamond that literally looks just as big and will most likely look a LOT better.

my 2 cents is to hold out for a better center stone haha

Hi Freakazoid!
Thank you for your input. Did you calculate the two trapezoid (.66cttw) stones?
My first try at attaching. Hope it works.
Here is a pic of the hand engraving I am talking about, with a 3 stone basket setting.
I have asked him to look for a rectangular size close to 2ct and to stay UNDER 70% for the table and the depth.
Thank you for your encouragement!

 

[happyscrapper40]

Sharon,
WOW! I am in love with your ring! How do you get anything done???
I would be starring at that ring all day! That''s what I call "bling"!
Thanks for posting your gorgeous ring. I know others will love it too!
BTW, love the fruit picture. I recently took some pics of my current ring of 25years.
After seeing all the pics of here on PS, I decided to do a photo shoot of my ring.
I tried to post a pic, but the file is too big.

I''ll see if I can post it later.

 

[canuk-gal]

HI HS40:

Thank you for the compliment--I am enjoying it!

Now that you are looking for other stones, here is a sample of what the PS database yielded when entering a range of parameters......(VS1-S12, F-I, 2.01-2.25ctw, all labs)

http://www.pricescope.com/panning.aspx

BTW, have you had a chance to check Grossbards site? They don't give prices, but show dimensions of stones that could give you an idea for what specs they cut to.

http://168.100.248.31/Results.aspx

BTW, the design on/of the ring you showed is wonderful!!

cheers--Sharon

ETA: Looks like my links didn't work!

But you can go to Grossbard's site and search the database here as well and see for yourself!