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  1. BMx33
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    by BMx33 » Oct 17, 2018
    Hello everyone,

    Im new here and I just want to say that this site has been such a great help so far! Although this process is overwhelming (as I'm sure most of you feel or have felt) I have a lot of difficulty when it comes to assessing Idealscope/ASET/Hearts&Arrows images. Any guidance and help would be much appreciated.

    Details about the Diamond: 1.72ct / VVS2 / H / 3EX / HCA score 1.4

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    I tried to look at some imaging guides but they were kind of confusing.
    Thanks in advance!
     
    


    


  2. jp201845
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    by jp201845 » Oct 17, 2018
    What are the proportions numbers on the stone? Crown and Pavillion angle. And table percentage. Can you post your GIA number?

    The Aset and Idealscope images show white in the middle where the table is ...this indicates light leakage .
     
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  3. crbl999
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    by crbl999 » Oct 17, 2018
    Agreed. Light leakage under the table and not a H&A stone.
     
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  4. flyingpig
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    by flyingpig » Oct 17, 2018
    Actually, the diamond does not have significant light leakage.
    The ASET is poorly taken. The diamond is tilted, the ASET scope is held incorrectly, and the backlight is too bright and uneven. It absolutely puzzles me whenever a vendor provides such poor ASET image like this. They are potentially losing $15k business because of that.
     
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  5. BMx33
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    by BMx33 » Oct 17, 2018
    Hey all! Thanks for your reply, very interesting variety of comments haha. Here is some more info, sorry i didnt include it initially.

    Table: 56 / Depth: 62.6 / Crown: 35.5/ Pav: 40.6
    GIA LINK
     
  6. Kaycee2018
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    by Kaycee2018 » Oct 17, 2018
    Are you sure this is the correct GIA report ? Your initial posts described the diamond as 1.72 ct and this report is for a 1.7 ct diamond.
     
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  7. BMx33
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    by BMx33 » Oct 17, 2018
    Hi, yes! Im sorry about the original. I made this massive spreadsheet of potential diamonds I liked and i simply just misread that column. The diamond is 1.70, my original post is incorrect. Sorry about that. But everything else i mentioned is correct!
     
  8. Karl_K
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    by Karl_K » Oct 17, 2018
    I would say potentially does not have, until shown otherwise.
    Your correct about the image itself being poor.
    The heart image is poorly taken also.
     
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  9. BMx33
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    by BMx33 » Oct 18, 2018
    @flyingpig @Karl_K
    Thanks for the input from both of you. So final thoughts/comments on what you think? Should i keep looking? Potentially keep this on my list? Im looking for similar characteristics in terms of the diamond, also thinking about if its worth going from H to G. Any recommendations would be appreciated as well. Thanks for your help!
     
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    by flyingpig » Oct 18, 2018
    Keep it on your list.
    At the worst, it may have minor leakages, but nothing detrimental.
     
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  11. BMx33
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    by BMx33 » Oct 18, 2018
    @flyingpig @Karl_K Hey guys! heres an updated ASET. Let me know if your thoughts change at all. Much appreciated! =) This is pretty high on my list now.
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  12. flyingpig
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    by flyingpig » Oct 18, 2018
    Sigh...
    The new ASET is equally poorly taken.
    While I still think whatever leakage you see in the ASET is due to the incorrect use of the scope and a bit exaggerated. But nothing can be confirmed based on these two ASET with certainty. The face up photo looks promising, and the hearts and arrow images do not show detrimental leakage; any obvious leakage normally appears black.
     
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  13. Karl_K
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    by Karl_K » Oct 18, 2018
    Well said.
    Using h&a images to say anything solid about leakage with any degree of accuracy would not be a good idea.
     
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  14. BMx33
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    by BMx33 » Oct 18, 2018
    @flyingpig @Karl_K thank you so much, i really appreciate your help so much. I mean for me as long as its a decent diamond, good price and its eye clean then im ok with some leakage. From everything you guys have shared im leaning toward the side of its a good diamond. I could probably search all day and night and not find the perfect diamond but as long as its clean and looks good and there isnt something very alarming about it... i think I would be satisfied.
     
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    by flyingpig » Oct 18, 2018
    It is more than decent. Actually, it is top quality in the world of GIA XXX. Is it good enough for PS members? Again, it is hard to say based on these photos.

    As long as the vendor has a good return policy and the price is right, it is not a bad idea to order the stone. See it for yourself. You may want to buy an ASET scope or make one for yourself. Click my ID to see my threads. It should say "DIY IS/ASET". There are two threads on IS/ASET.
     
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  16. sledge
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    by sledge » Oct 19, 2018
    One element not yet discussed is the price of the stone. What is the vendor asking? Not that the price improves or changes the ASET's and light return performance but it can tell us if the price being asked is fair for a stone of that size, cut, clarity, etc.

    It may be possible we can find another stone of comparable money that doesn't have the uncertainty/risk associated with it that this stone does because of poorly taken images.
     
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  17. BMx33
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    by BMx33 » Oct 19, 2018
    @sledge good point, thanks. So the price as per online is $13,437 // BW $13,034

    I would greatly appreciate any recommendations and love to take a look at similar stones that has much more certainty as you mentioned. Thanks again for your input.
     
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    by tyty333 » Aug 13, 2019
    Old thread. I've asked @Pankil to open a new thread instead of bringing up old threads.
     

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