Help! Local jeweller said this diamond would be rejected by him because of depth and contrast. Thoughts?

[tam thi]

I’ve been doing a lot of research and finally narrowed down to these two. Wanted a custom setting from this jeweller and when I showed him these diamonds he said it would be rejected from him because table is 58 and contrast and also depth.

https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/22371816

Holloway cut score of 0.9.


This is the other diamond I am debating.

https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/22793297

Would love thoughts and insight thanks!

 

[TXwidow]

I would contact one of the several custom jewelers folks have used, such as David Klass. I suspect your guy wants to sell you a stone he/she can provide.

 

[freddyboston]

well #1 is a bit of a pancake
nothing wrong with #2 - maybe a touch deep so faces up slight small (VG spread)

 

[tam thi]

well #1 is a bit of a pancake
nothing wrong with #2 - maybe a touch deep so faces up slight small (VG spread)

Hi Freddyboston. Do you mean #1 is no good because it’s wide and flat at the top? Between the two # 2 is the better option in your opinion?

Thanks!

 

[NY_Resonant]

well #1 is a bit of a pancake
nothing wrong with #2 - maybe a touch deep so faces up slight small (VG spread)

Do you really think a 14% crown counts as a pancake? That’s really not that small…

I mean, here is a Whiteflash A Cut Above — nobody should object to it, I imagine —- with a 58% table and 14.5% crown:

Diamond | 0.92 ct G VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 3520057

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.92 carat G color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 3520057

www.whiteflash.com

 

[tam thi]

Do you really think a 14% crown counts as a pancake? That’s really not that small…

I mean, here is a Whiteflash A Cut Above — nobody should object to it, I imagine —- with a 58% table and 14.5% crown:

Diamond | 0.92 ct G VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 3520057

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.92 carat G color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 3520057

www.whiteflash.com

Would you be able to give insight on which of the two would be better?

 

[NY_Resonant]

Would you be able to give insight on which of the two would be better?

I’ll let others opine about the cut precision etc from the pictures.

#1 is a diamond whose proportions lean a bit more towards brightness (and less fire) while #2 is a very firey stone. It depends on what type of flavor of diamond you prefer.

Note that #1 is .22mm larger, you would definitely be able to tell it is larger compared to #2 visually.

 

[yssie]

Your jeweller's right.

Look at how much black paddling is happening at slight tilt on #1. For 20k I would reject this too, for contrast problems, which are caused partly by the combo of slightly larger table and other proportions, partly by the slight-but-visible-face-up painting that was almost definitely done to keep the thing over 2ct, and mostly by the fact that GIA rounding means the numbers are obfuscating just how shallow it is overall.

Step one is doing your homework to choose your jeweller. Step two is actually trusting your choice. I promise, there are many good jewellers outside of the PS bubble, and none of them need tools and charts and light performance images and grades - they just the stone (or photos/video of it).

 

[freddyboston]

if you're wanting custom setting and you like your jewelers work you might be better off getting the diamond through him... If you can find a Blue Nile setting then they are fine as a one stop shop. For a loose stone, BN is bit on higher side cost wise vs other online stores... most diamonds these days come from the same worldwide diamond inventory so they all have access to same stones....

 

[yssie]

Agree. You aren't looking for a specialty stone, so best to have your jeweller source (with your input and veto of course). Might even be a wash price-wise but it's definitely preferable from a liability standpoint - if something goes wrong during mounting and you've shopped the whole thing through your jeweller, it's very clear who's on the hook to make you whole.

 

[caf]

Below are some ideal cut diamonds. I have NO connection to any of these vendors. My ideal cut diamonds came from another vendor. But I think what people are telling you is that there are some better cut similar diamonds for around your $20k. PS’ers are a lot about cut so that’s why I’m referring to the ones below.

Round Cut Diamonds: Discover Our Brilliant Selection

View our wide selection of Round Cut Diamonds. Choose your ideal diamond combining quality, price, 4cs and more.

www.whiteflash.com

1.72 G VS2 Black by Brian Gavin Round

Brian Gavin Diamonds

www.briangavindiamonds.com

Brian Gavin has 15% off now I think

Victor Canera

www.victorcanera.com

Just giving you some others to look at in your price range. I’m sure there are others that are out there.

 

[lovedogs]

I'm not a huge fan of #1. I prefer the other one between the two

 

[caf]

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Thread '(Another) D vers F colour thread / Opinions on my purchase welcome (F - IF)'

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Hello everyone

I've been on a mission to select a ring without my partner's input (challenging, but she will love the surprise element). So I've been reading a lot here and appreciate all the advice I've picked up.

Today I made a choice that was contrary to some of the advice I've read - hence the post now for second opinions.

2 shortlisted rings were both 0.72 Carat, a round solitaire (cut/polish/symmetry all Excellent for both). Both close enough in price for price not to be a factor and I'm completely settled on the carat size being what she will want. To the other factors...

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• Forum: RockyTalky (Diamond Discussion)

Look at this thread and look at the you tube video by Jann Paul. It illustrates an ideal cut vs. an excellent cut. The thread (and many others) also explain why a GIA “excellent cut” may mean a wide range of cuts. Some ideal, some not so.

 

[Karl_K]

Your jeweller's right.

Look at how much black paddling is happening at slight tilt on #1. For 20k I would reject this too, for contrast problems, which are caused partly by the combo of slightly larger table and other proportions, partly by the slight-but-visible-face-up painting that was almost definitely done to keep the thing over 2ct, and mostly by the fact that GIA rounding means the numbers are obfuscating just how shallow it is overall.

Step one is doing your homework to choose your jeweller. Step two is actually trusting your choice. I promise, there are many good jewellers outside of the PS bubble, and none of them need tools and charts and light performance images and grades - they just the stone (or photos/video of it).

Nailed it!
Its not the average angles or the % that the issue, its how wonky it was executed.

 

[MissGotRocks]

Do you really think a 14% crown counts as a pancake? That’s really not that small…

I mean, here is a Whiteflash A Cut Above — nobody should object to it, I imagine —- with a 58% table and 14.5% crown:

Diamond | 0.92 ct G VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 3520057

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.92 carat G color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 3520057

www.whiteflash.com

The WF diamond has a 34.5 crown as opposed to a 34 crown on his first one. You are also able to see from the sparkle video how much fire you get from the diamond. As with all things, you can’t just take one measurement and make a determination. All angles have to be complimentary to work well together. A vendor like WF has also done light performance testing above and beyond the GIA assessment. Their criteria for their ACA line is quite stringent so you can be assured of great light performance. I wouldn’t have thought these things would have made that much of a difference either - until I owned one! I am sure you see the cut precision in the diamonds you just got for your wife’s beautiful wedding band - gorgeous!