HELP!!!! J COLOR DIAMOND

[Alexandro]

Hello all! I'm about to get engaged and my budget is really like really reduced. So I was looking at a J color round stone I1. The jeweler told me that it's clean to the naked eye. I'm worried it will look yellow because the cut grade is GOOD and it has no fluorescence. Polish and symmetry are graded as good as well. The diamond is GIA certified.

Any opinions??!

 

[Pandabear90]

Hello all! I'm about to get engaged and my budget is really like really reduced. So I was looking at a J color round stone I1. The jeweler told me that it's clean to the naked eye. I'm worried it will look yellow because the cut grade is GOOD and it has no fluorescence. Polish and symmetry are graded as good as well. The diamond is GIA certified.

Any opinions??!

supply us with GIA certificate + ask for idealscope image...

what is your budget...

help us help you...you gave us pretty much a book with no pages inside lol.

 

[Alexandro]

Sorry!!

Here are the specs:

Shape: Round Brilliant
Carat Weight: 1.40
Color: J
Clarity: I1
Cut Grade: Good
Table %: 55.00
Depth %: 64.50
Girdle: Slightly Thick to Thick
Polish: Good
Symmetry: Good
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 6.94-6.99x4.49

My budget is $3500

 

[Alexandro]

 

[Pandabear90]

That's not an idealscope image, ask him/her for one...also you need to get the GIA certificate...the jeweler should have it or the GIA number you can look up.

Table
Depth
Crown
Pavillion


Base on what you've shown me, looks like you can do better. You may want to sacrifice the carat size for better quality of a diamond... for that price range...

Check out Whiteflash.com


you can probably find a .70tcw +- thats worth your budget.

 

[Wednesday]

The reason the above poster was asking for the GIA report number was so they could look at angles to assess performance.

However, based on what you posted, it sounds like this is not well-cut. A well-cut 1.4 carat round brilliant diamond should face up larger than 6.9mm.

Usually you would want to consider only Excellent cut diamonds. "Good" is not very good if you are looking for optimal light return.

Here is an example of a chart that shows what a well-cut round should measure: http://pics.bluenile.com/assets/chrome/pdf/diamond_carat_size_0810.pdf

I am not much of a shopper but if you wanted help finding stones in your price range, there are many people here that could help you! If so: Do you have a particular size in mind? It sounds like you want a stone with not much tint that is eye-clean - is that right? And is your budget of $3,500 for only the stone or for the stone and setting?

 

[Gypsy]

That is a terrible diamond. It is so deep it is an iceberg. The J color is the least of your worries. The cut on that thing is terrible. I don't even NEED the rest of the specs to tell you that. The "good" cut grade coupled with that depth disqualifies it as anything other than a doorstop.

Here's what you need to know:
The entire purpose of faceting a diamond is to reflect light.
How well or how poorly a diamond does this determines how beautiful it is.
How well a diamond performs is determined by the angles and cutting. This is why we say cut is king.
No other factor: not color, not clarity has as much of an impact on the appearance of a diamond as its cut. An ideal H will out white a poorly cut F. And GIA Ex is not enough. And you must stick to GIA and AGS only. EGL is a bad option: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/[/URL]
So how to we ensure that we have the right angles and cutting to get the light performance we want?
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut
Well one method is to start with a GIA Ex, and then apply the HCA to it. YOU DO NOT USE HCA for AGS0 stones.
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/holloway-cut-advisor
The HCA is a rejection tool. Not a selection tool. It uses 4 data points to make a rudimentary call on how the diamond may perform.
If the diamond passes then you know that you are in the right zone in terms of angles for light performance. Under 2 is a pass. Under 2.5-2.1 is a maybe. 2.6 and over is a no. No score 2 and under is better than any other.
Is that enough? Not really.
So what you need is a way to check actual light performance of your actual stone.
That's what an idealscope image does. https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/firescope-idealscope
It shows you how and wear your diamond is reflecting light, how well it is going at it, and where you are losing light return. That is why you won't see us recommending Blue Nile, as they do not provide idealscope images for their diamonds. BGD, James Allen, GOG, HPD, ERD and WF do.

The Idealscope is the 'selection tool'. Not the HCA.
So yes, with a GIA stone you need the idealscope images. Or you can buy an idealscope yourself and take it in to the jeweler you are working with to check the stones yourself. Or if you have a good return policy (full refund minimum 7 days) then you can buy the idealscope, buy the stone, and do it at home.


Now if you want to skip all that... stick to AGS0 stones and then all you have to do is pick color and clarity and you know you have a great performing diamond. Because AGS has already done the checking for you. That's why they trade at a premium.

 

[Gypsy]

Your diamond is the one on the far right below.

 

[Gypsy]

This is what your budget can buy:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3237360.htm?source=pricescope
In this setting: http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/diamond-settings/legato-sleek-line-pave-diamond-engagement-ring-422.htm
Or in this setting if you can stretch the budget: http://www.ritani.com/engagement-rings/french-set-halo-diamond-band-engagement-ring-in-palladium/4775 (Whiteflash is a ritani dealer)

The stone has a full upgrade policy. So you can upgrade it up to your dream size.

This is a quality set that any woman will be proud to own.

That I clarity stone 1.4 stone with I clarity: if it doesn't have visible crystals that means it probably has twinning wisps or clouds that set the clarity grade. Which means the stone will likely be hazy. On top of being WAY too deep and poorly cut... like I said: paperweight.

 

[Alexandro]

Thank you very much Gypsy!! Never thought it was this bad.

Thanks again!

 

[Pandabear90]

Thank you very much Gypsy!! Never thought it was this bad.

Thanks again!

Yea quality over quantity, better to have something nice and smaller then a big pebble LOL

 

[Alexandro]

Based on what you have told me, and taking into consideration depth and table; what do you think of this one: http://idjewelryonline.com/diamond_details1.php?id=54753746&shape=B&pricefrom=1&priceto=3500&caratfrom=1.00&caratto=10.00&colorfrom=D&colorto=J&clarfrom=IF&clarto=I1&polish=ANY&cert=GIA&symmetry=ANY&depthfrom=58&depthto=62&tablefrom=53&tableto=62&cut=Array&item_id=

 

[Gypsy]

Based on what you have told me, and taking into consideration depth and table; what do you think of this one: http://idjewelryonline.com/diamond_details1.php?id=54753746&shape=B&pricefrom=1&priceto=3500&caratfrom=1.00&caratto=10.00&colorfrom=D&colorto=J&clarfrom=IF&clarto=I1&polish=ANY&cert=GIA&symmetry=ANY&depthfrom=58&depthto=62&tablefrom=53&tableto=62&cut=Array&item_id=

I need the GIA report number. It's not listed. I need the angles. GIA doesn't have an "ideal" cut so the ideal on the listing is meaningless.

But there is a reason I clarity stones are I clarity. Next to none of them are going to be eyeclean WITHOUT any impact to brilliance and light return AND safe to wear.

Do you HAVE to have a carat?

Stretching to K color can get you an SI at 90 points.

 

[Gypsy]

Here's a cheat sheet for rounds:
"
depth - 60 - 62% - although my personal preference is to allow up to 62.4%
table - 54- 57%
crown angle - 34- 35 degrees
pavilion angle - 40.6- 41 degrees
girdle - avoid extremes, look for thin to slightly thick, thin to medium etc
polish and symmetry - very good and above

note - with crown and pavilion angles at the shallower ends ( CA 34- PA 40.6) and steeper ( CA 35- PA 41) check to make sure these angles complement in that particular diamond - eyeballs, Idealscope, trusted vendor input - check as appropriate!

As the above implies, configurations depend on each other. A little give here can still work with a little take there.

With that said, here''s a "Cliff''s Notes" for staying near Tolkowsky/ideal angles with GIA reports (their numbers are rounded): A crown angle of 34.0, 34.5 or 35.0 is usually safe with a 40.8 pavilion angle. If pavilion angle = 40.6 lean toward a 34.5-35.0 crown. If pavilion angle = 41 lean toward a 34.0-34.5 crown.

GIA "EX" in cut is great at its heart, but it ranges a bit wider than some people prefer, particularly in deep combinations (pavilion > 41 with crown > 35)."


From Lorelei and John Pollard

 

[Gypsy]

Does it have to be a round?

We can get you a one carat stone in another shape for the money and stay at SI1.

 

[nukezero]

Here is my review of my J color diamond with tons of pictures for you:

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/review-and-pictures-of-my-gog-1-8ct-ideal-round-brilliant.207036/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/review-and-pictures-of-my-gog-1-8ct-ideal-round-brilliant.207036/[/URL]


My advice is, as long as the cut is great, the J color will face up real white in most lighting conditions. Today I went to Tiffany's and checked out their D, F, G, H diamonds and to be honest, I thought all of them seemed a little yellow possibly due to the yellow spot lighting they use. So remember, color is subjective. Just get the cut down.

 

[Gypsy]

How about this one: http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-6250315-1.01-carat-Round-diamond-K-color-VS2-Clarity.aspx?sku=6250315&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com


Over a carat. Eyeclean. Beautiful. Great numbers.

I would recommend this one. A lot of our members happily have K's. I can tell you I would rather have a K VS2 than a J I1. HANDSDOWN.

 

[Alexandro]

I love this one. I'm seriously thinking on buying this specific stone!!

Thank you!!! You have been of great help!

 

[nukezero]

How about this one: http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-6250315-1.01-carat-Round-diamond-K-color-VS2-Clarity.aspx?sku=6250315&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com


Over a carat. Eyeclean. Beautiful. Great numbers.

I would recommend this one. A lot of our members happily have K's. I can tell you I would rather have a K VS2 than a J I1. HANDSDOWN.

I wouldn't buy a I1 diamond. It will look real bad with the inclusion. I second Gypsy. If it's between J I1 or K VS2, hands down the K VS2 as long as the K has proper cut proportions. Even if the J had good proportions, the I1 would screw it up.

If you want to see I1, you can go to the mall and check out chain places like Kay Jewelers or Zales. They'll sell exactly those.

 

[Gypsy]

Good. Considerably better than the original stone you were considering.

There will be tint visible at times in a K.

If you want higher color you'll have to go down in size to 80 points.

 

[chrono]

I would rather spring for the K VS2 rather than J I1. Keeping it slightly below the 1 carat mark also keeps it from a fairly large $/ct price jump.