Help choose one

[markboots]

Round Briliant - IGI Antwerp certificate
1.62
E color
VS1
Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish and Symmetry: Very Good
Measurements: 7.47 - 7.51 x 4.66 mm
Table 57%
Crown Height - Angle 15% - 35 degrees
Pavilion Depth - Angle 43% - 40.7 degrees
Girdle thickness - Medium to SL. Thick (Faceted)
Culet: Pointed
Fluorescence - Very Slight

OR

Round Briliant - GIA certificate
1.57
F color
VS1
Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Excellent
Measurements: 7.43 - 7.46 x 4.55 mm
Table 59%
Crown Height - Angle 14.5% - 35 degrees
Pavilion Depth - Angle 43% - 40.8 degrees
Girdle thickness - Medium to SL. Thick (Faceted)
Culet: None
Fluorescence - Nil

Price is not a factor since they are almost the same.

 

[belle]

not much to choose between, they are basically the same on paper.
have you seen them in person?

 

[markboots]

I have not seen them yet. The first stone had a excellent rating on the HCA where the second had Very good.

 

[Ellen]

I would prefer the first for the smaller table.

 

[belle]

Date: 7/9/2007 10:39:30 AM
Author: markboots
I have not seen them yet. The first stone had a excellent rating on the HCA where the second had Very good.

yeah, that table on the second one is kinda big.

 

[Regular Guy]

But...oh...note that certificate.

One is IGI. One is GIA. I am getting an education in this recently.

I think I prefer the GIA. Is that OK?

 

[Ellen]

Date: 7/9/2007 10:53:11 AM
Author: Regular Guy
But...oh...note that certificate.

One is IGI. One is GIA. I am getting an education in this recently.

I think I prefer the GIA. Is that OK?

No.

I actually did notice the cert....

And, if given the chance, I would pick an AGS0 or GIA Ex with lower color and clarity.


But, that wasn''t the question.

 

[markboots]

I had posted the first stone before and in the Certificate for the IGI it says it is an "ideal cut round brilliant". I though it was odd but thought it means it is the best cut that they will provide. I figured that would at least equal the excellent cut from the GIA and the slighlty higher color grade would at least equal the GIA if they had less strict grades for color. I thought IGI from Antwerp was okay it was the IGL from America that was suspect.

 

[belle]

Date: 7/9/2007 11:05:55 AM
Author: markboots

I had posted the first stone before and in the Certificate for the IGI it says it is an ''ideal cut round brilliant''. I though it was odd but thought it means it is the best cut that they will provide.

just because it is the ''best cut they will provide'' does not mean it in anyway equals the best cut there is.

if you are serious about cut, you need to use all of the tools and infromation available to make an informed choice. don''t soley rely upon what is written on paper.

I figured that would at least equal the excellent cut from the GIA

as you can see by the hca score, ''excellent'' from gia doesn''t mean that it is ''the best'' out there.

don''t just rely on one piece of information, look at everything.

I figured that would at least equal the excellent cut from the GIA and the slighlty higher color grade would at least equal the GIA if they had less strict grades for color.

i think that is a fair assumption for color grading. don''t forget to factor in clarity too!

really, any lab can be off. grading is subjective.

 

[Regular Guy]

Date: 7/9/2007 11:05:55 AM
Author: markboots
I had posted the first stone before and in the Certificate for the IGI it says it is an ''ideal cut round brilliant''. I though it was odd but thought it means it is the best cut that they will provide. I figured that would at least equal the excellent cut from the GIA and the slighlty higher color grade would at least equal the GIA if they had less strict grades for color. I thought IGI from Antwerp was okay it was the IGL from America that was suspect.

Boots,

I studied this actually too casually to have justified comment...and I don''t know near enough about variability here...you may be quite right.

Can I withdraw my opinion? I also didn''t see a depth, don''t know if it can be abstracted from what you have, and could advise a check of the HCA could help always (why not).

Not sure, sorry.

Warm regards,

 

[belle]

Date: 7/9/2007 11:24:57 AM
Author: Regular Guy

I also didn't see a depth, don't know if it can be abstracted from what you have,

Measurements: 7.47 - 7.51 x 4.66 mm

7.47+7.51/2 = 7.49
4.66/7.49 = 62.2


he already used hca

Date: 7/9/2007 10:39:30 AM
Author: markboots
I have not seen them yet. The first stone had a excellent rating on the HCA where the second had Very good.

and i left your grandma out of it!

 

[JohnQuixote]

Divide the diamond's depth by average girdle diameter, multiply by 100 and round to the nearest tenth to get depth % Ira.

Edited: Writing as Belle posted... Ladies first.

 

[markboots]

Yes Ira you can withdraw your first comment. Only this once

When I did the HCA the first diamond scored a 1.4 - Excellent! and the second stone scored a 2.0 Very good (unless I did something wrong). I thought that was another factor leading towards the first stone. The second stone is supposed to be hearts and arrows. I wanted triple excellent but from a previous post pricescope members told me there would be no visual difference to very good. I wanted the best cut diamond I could find and figured number one was it. I know a lot of you would say VS1 is overkill but I think it is safer (and more expensive

) but wanted a Tiffany quality ring without the price tag)

 

[markboots]

What other information would you ask for? I figured it was better to research now as once I am in the store I am "shall we say" not the expert in determining value for money.

Sorry bella, I don''t get the grandma comment

I am relying on the vendor to provide feedback on brilliance and fire of which I will review when I am there but I don''t exactly know what to look for. I have to put a deposit down to guarantee the stone and I could inspect it the best I coulds when I get there. I just want to make sure I have an EXCELLENT stone and if I simply show up in a few weeks there is no guarantee what selection I would have.

 

[belle]

Date: 7/9/2007 12:14:24 PM
Author: markboots
What other information would you ask for? I figured it was better to research now as once I am in the store I am ''shall we say'' not the expert in determining value for money.

if you are going to be looking at stones in person, i would suggest getting an idealscope
for price comparison, use the ''pricescope your diamond'' search

Sorry bella, I don''t get the grandma comment

it was for ira (regular guy) as a side comment from another thread. since i was replying to him in that post, i thought it was appropriate(ish)

I am relying on the vendor to provide feedback on brilliance and fire of which I will review when I am there but I don''t exactly know what to look for.

look for dancing sparkles that look alive throughout the stone. it should just glitter with sparkles as it moves.

 

[markboots]

one more to compare:

Round Briliant - IGI Antwerp certificate
1.51
D color
VS2
Cut Grade: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good
Polish: Exclellent
Measurements: 7.23 - 7.27 x 4.56 mm
Table 55%
Crown Height - Angle 16.5% - 36 degrees
Pavilion Depth - Angle 42.5% - 40.3 degrees
Girdle thickness - Medium to SL. Thick (Faceted)
Culet: Pointed
Fluorescence - Very Slight

I can get this $1,800 cheaper than the first stone. It is smaller than the other 2 but the D color would be nice and it scored 1.0 on the HCA

 

[Lorelei]

'I am relying on the vendor to provide feedback on brilliance and fire of which I will review when I am there but I don't exactly know what to look for.'look for dancing sparkles that look alive throughout the stone. it should just glitter with sparkles as it moves. - Belle!

Belle is right. A well cut diamond should show it's personality, sing to you, strut it's stuff, make you want to look at it again and again, then once again! Even when a diamond is in ' rest mode' such as in dull light and it is 'sleeping', it should still look attractive, even if not particulary sparkly, you know that the minute more light pops, the diamond will too. A well cut diamond should display a mix of fire, brilliance, dispersion and scintillation, not in every light, as some lightings are more suited to brilliance than fire, but in many. Also some lights make diamonds look very different such as strong sunlight which can make them look dark, this is normal.

A good vendor should be familiar with how well cut diamonds should react and advise you accordingly.

 

[Harleigh]

I think you definitely need to see these stones in person since their stats are so similar. Go with the one that says, "Me, me, me!"

Harleigh

 

[Ellen]

Date: 7/9/2007 1:17:12 PM
Author: Lorelei

Belle is right. A well cut diamond should show it''s personality, sing to you, strut it''s stuff, make you want to look at it again and again, then once again! Even when a diamond is in '' rest mode'' such as in dull light and it is ''sleeping'', it should still look attractive, even if not particulary sparkly, you know that the minute more light pops, the diamond will too. A well cut diamond should display a mix of fire, brilliance, dispersion and scintillation, not in every light, as some lightings are more suited to brilliance than fire, but in many. Also some lights make diamonds look very different such as strong sunlight which can make them look dark, this is normal.

What a most excellent description!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/9/2007 4:32:46 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 7/9/2007 1:17:12 PM
Author: Lorelei


Belle is right. A well cut diamond should show it''s personality, sing to you, strut it''s stuff, make you want to look at it again and again, then once again! Even when a diamond is in '' rest mode'' such as in dull light and it is ''sleeping'', it should still look attractive, even if not particulary sparkly, you know that the minute more light pops, the diamond will too. A well cut diamond should display a mix of fire, brilliance, dispersion and scintillation, not in every light, as some lightings are more suited to brilliance than fire, but in many. Also some lights make diamonds look very different such as strong sunlight which can make them look dark, this is normal.

What a most excellent description!

* fluffing hair*

...tank you El !

 

[belle]

Date: 7/9/2007 4:38:41 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 7/9/2007 4:32:46 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 7/9/2007 1:17:12 PM
Author: Lorelei



Belle is right. A well cut diamond should show it''s personality, sing to you, strut it''s stuff, make you want to look at it again and again, then once again! Even when a diamond is in '' rest mode'' such as in dull light and it is ''sleeping'', it should still look attractive, even if not particulary sparkly, you know that the minute more light pops, the diamond will too. A well cut diamond should display a mix of fire, brilliance, dispersion and scintillation, not in every light, as some lightings are more suited to brilliance than fire, but in many. Also some lights make diamonds look very different such as strong sunlight which can make them look dark, this is normal.

What a most excellent description!

* fluffing hair*

...tank you El !

she meant the part about me being right, right?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/9/2007 4:40:53 PM
Author: belle

Date: 7/9/2007 4:38:41 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 7/9/2007 4:32:46 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 7/9/2007 1:17:12 PM
Author: Lorelei




Belle is right. A well cut diamond should show it''s personality, sing to you, strut it''s stuff, make you want to look at it again and again, then once again! Even when a diamond is in '' rest mode'' such as in dull light and it is ''sleeping'', it should still look attractive, even if not particulary sparkly, you know that the minute more light pops, the diamond will too. A well cut diamond should display a mix of fire, brilliance, dispersion and scintillation, not in every light, as some lightings are more suited to brilliance than fire, but in many. Also some lights make diamonds look very different such as strong sunlight which can make them look dark, this is normal.

What a most excellent description!

* fluffing hair*

...tank you El !

she meant the part about me being right, right?

Oopsie Belles, she might well have! Hehehe - you are ALWAYS right!

 

[Ellen]

Date: 7/9/2007 4:38:41 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 7/9/2007 4:32:46 PM
Author: Ellen

What a most excellent description!

* fluffing hair*

...tank you El !

LOL! You welcome.

lol Now belle, is your description in that quote??

 

[markboots]

What about the third diamond ladies and gents???

 

[Ellen]

Sorry Boots, I got carried away there and forgot to answer you on that! I''d pass, I am not loving those angles at all.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/9/2007 4:56:25 PM
Author: Ellen
Sorry Boots, I got carried away there and forgot to answer you on that! I''d pass, I am not loving those angles at all.

Ditto sorry Bootes, I would nix it too.

 

[belle]

Date: 7/9/2007 4:54:16 PM
Author: markboots
What about the third diamond ladies and gents???

$1800 LESS for a ''d'' color?

you don''t even have to look at the specs to know that something ain''t right there.

 

[belle]

Date: 7/9/2007 4:48:32 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 7/9/2007 4:38:41 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 7/9/2007 4:32:46 PM
Author: Ellen

What a most excellent description!

* fluffing hair*

...tank you El !

LOL! You welcome.

lol Now belle, is your description in that quote??

what are you saying ellen?

lorelei, where did you get that cute little guy with the (hat?) thing on his head? i don''t remember seeing him.

 

[Lorelei]

He is up in the smiley icon top right of the toolbar Miss Belle!

is below

 

[Ellen]

Date: 7/9/2007 5:03:08 PM
Author: belle

Date: 7/9/2007 4:48:32 PM
Author: Ellen

LOL! You welcome.

lol Now belle, is your description in that quote??

what are you saying ellen?

Nothing, just that I''d taken your part out so Miss Lorelei would know I meant her.

Yours was wonderful too.