HELP!?!? Before I make a move!

[girlie-girl]

Elle_chris you''ve finally said exactly what I''ve been feeling all along. I hate to say it too, but something just isn''t right here. I''ve thought for a while that he was the dealer or the dealer''s friend and was just here trying to get traffic to the Ebay ''store''. In fact last night I even thought about asking if the mods could look at the IP from his postings to see if he is even where he says... and I hate feeling like that.

Either way, I don''t know that we''ll ever know the truth but I certainly feel like everyone here is being played.

If I''m totally wrong I offer my apologies, but my gut is saying otherwise.

 

[NeverEndingUpgrade]

Anthony, I''m sure you don''t care, but here is the real deal.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4766/

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 9/10/2008 6:23:12 PM
Author: elle_chris
Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but nothing makes sense.

So, I''ll say it. Either you''re the dealer or a friend of, because there is just no way that anyone would not only pay 19.5k for an EGL Israel F, SI2 (even if it is hearts and arrows) plus fly out to another country to view it.
At least not anyone that spent anytime on Pricescope. In fact, most people wouldn''t even if they''ve NEVER heard of Pricescope.

Wish the mods would close this thread as we can all predict what happens next. He gets a deal for less than 19.5k, he takes it back to Spain, gets it appraised, it checks out and is even an SI1, and all''s right in the land of Ebay and EGL.
This is someone that''s just trying to influence readers on how it''s ok to spend large sums on ebay diamonds with EGL certs.

I''ve never accused anyone of anything on here. Even when reading some crazy posts in the past. But this?? omg, it defies all logic and reason.

Elle Chris congratulations to you and all the Pricescopers for smelling out Rat''s.
I am reading a book called The Cult of the Ametuer, and the author suggests that many blog readers are hoodwinked by people like this poster.

Personally from the first post I felt we might be reading something from one of the people here http://www.egl-labs.com/staff.htm or one of their friends. Why do I think that?

This person registered immediately after this thread started - it could be just coincidence, but so much af what has been written just does not make sense for any other reason.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-israel-says-falsely-accused-by-jaa.94241/

I will try to keep you all informed as to if EGL Israel does actually proceed with any legal claims - but it is hard to know on what basis they could as there is no shortage of evidence for the JAA''s side.

In fact if they did attempt something like that it should not be too hard to find a law firm here in Australia who could mount a class action case.

This person''s style indicates they really think they know a lot. How sad!

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 9/10/2008 9:34:10 AM
Author: BKDJ
ANOTHER

Nice CZ...
I don''t know what your game is but I don''t like it one bit.

 

[Dancing Fire]

i knew from the beginning this thread was

that''s why i didn''t reply earlier.

 

[strmrdr]

Here is my proof and I verified it with my czs.

You can see the background color very well through the stone and the girdle area is brightest on the CZ.

 

[strmrdr]

This is what diamond would look like under the same conditions as my above picture.
It is clear that it is a picture of a CZ that was posted.

 

[astraea]

Dang, that''s one expensive CZ!

 

[Blackhawk24]

So in one thread you come across as a dealer. Citing how much experience you have in sending stones out for grading, and how EGL is just as strict and so much faster when compared to GIA. Yet, here we are in a thread discussing you buying a diamond from a retailer. I thought dealers bought from sources a little more exclusive than ebay? Hell I buy my diamonds from sources more exclusive than ebay. (The respected PS vendor list.)

P.S. Garry, your freaking awesome.

(along with most of the posters here)

Can this drivel be made to go away? The most of the threads here are informational. This is just an unpaid, against the rules AD.


In the outside (0.01%) chance your a real customer, then I''m sorry.

 

[arjunajane]

Yeah, thought the face down view of Anthony''s "diamond" looked a bit weird - thanks garry and karl for the info.

 

[BKDJ]

Date: 9/11/2008 3:13:42 AM
Author: arjunajane
Yeah, thought the face down view of Anthony's 'diamond' looked a bit weird - thanks garry and karl for the info.

WOW.... you guys are really trying to rip me a new a**hole... WHY?!?!? Sorry if I came off a bit excited about this, and I am sorry that I like to travel and am located in a place that makes traveling VERY EASY AND INEXPENSIVE.... anywho, sorry for bothering everyone and being too excited, I guess if I was a veteran here then this would seem a bit suspect. sorry, had no bad intentions.

-Anthony

P.S. I closed the deal and HELL NO IT AINT A CZ, go find me a similar hearts and arrows at a MUCH BETTER PRICE....... AND ILL BUY IT TOO!

P.P.S. I don't even get grilled like this when a record skips at a packed club...

 

[arjunajane]

OK, here are the suggestions made earlier in the thread when we were trying to help you.

2ct F SI2 GIA XXX for 16k http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1137729.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

2ct I Vs2 GIA XXX for 21k http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4766/

So will you buy these then?

(link credits to ellechris and NEU)

I am sure there are other "better deals" out there, but honestly I''d rather spend my time elsewhere..

 

[BKDJ]

Date: 9/11/2008 6:03:18 AM
Author: arjunajane
OK, here are the suggestions made earlier in the thread when we were trying to help you.


2ct F SI2 GIA XXX for 16k http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1137729.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131


2ct I Vs2 GIA XXX for 21k http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4766/


So will you buy these then?


(link credits to ellechris and NEU)


I am sure there are other ''better deals'' out there, but honestly I''d rather spend my time elsewhere..

Jane, I truly appreciate your response and my target was/is a hearts and arrows for under 20k; I dont mean my whole budget is that, but for a specific single stone. I thank God that I have the means to splurge here and there, so I do keep my eye out for certain things at certain price points. I still havent been able to find a stone with exact stats for cheaper. If I wasnt aiming for h and a then ofcourse I wouldnt be spending anywhere close to this amount. I do not regret this trip, it was only 2 1/2 hour flight and I get to visit the holy city! I guess I was looking for closure on this site, even though I am EXTREMELY STUBBORN sometimes

-Anthony

 

[Ellen]

Date: 9/11/2008 6:45:35 AM
Author: BKDJ


Jane, I truly appreciate your response and my target was/is a hearts and arrows for under 20k; I dont mean my whole budget is that, but for a specific single stone. I thank God that I have the means to splurge here and there, so I do keep my eye out for certain things at certain price points. I still havent been able to find a stone with exact stats for cheaper. If I wasnt aiming for h and a then ofcourse I wouldnt be spending anywhere close to this amount. I do not regret this trip, it was only 2 1/2 hour flight and I get to visit the holy city! I guess I was looking for closure on this site, even though I am EXTREMELY STUBBORN sometimes

-Anthony

Well Anthony, I''m pretty sure you''ve succeeded at that.

 

[BKDJ]

 

[denverappraiser]

Congratulations on your new stone.

So you picked it up and, according to their terms and conditions you’ve got 3 whole days to decide if you want to keep it. Apparently today is day 2. Are you planning on hiring your own expert to evaluate it or are you happy enough with the opinions provided by the dealer?

For most folks $20k is quite a bit of money and even with the $1000 restocking fee if it turns out that any of the above advice is correct this seems like a prudent step. You might want to be in a hurry about it though since you’ve only got one more day and qualified independent appraisers tend to have pretty busy schedules.

Date: 9/11/2008 8:43:02 AM
Author: BKDJ

You gotta love my Technics, cuz im a Pioneer.

To be sure you are approaching this differently from most and I'm sure that at least the dealer appreciates your strategy and pioneering spirit.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver

 

[HariSeldon]

"Date: 9/11/2008 8:18:14 AM
Author: BKDJ
Date: 8/26/2008 8:09:44 PM
Author: Futuremrss
I''m a little confused as to why people would be so nasty and jaded about this purchase. Exactly what are you (and by you, I mean the peanut gallery) afraid of? Is it that you are vendors on this forum and you are afraid that John is not really a legitimate poster and some new vendor posing as ''john'' trying to lure people to buy from him? Say he is just some guy who went to his uncle and got a good deal...why exactly would you try to make him doubt his own flesh and blood? Do you want to make him feel insecure and come buy from you? I just don''t quite get YOUR motives.


D. D. D. D. D. D. DITTO! that''s somewhat how I feel after I''ve been harassed here!
"

(I found this post on another thread but didnt want to threadjack so imposting my reply in your extremely entertaining thread here. )

you feel like you''ve been harassed here because you ask for opinions and "HELP!?!?" yet completely disregard what people have to say. if you didn''t want people to give you opposing views from your own, dont ask for opinions.
also in more than one thread you have failed to clarify if you are in the diamond trade or not. if you are, you''re supposed to put it in your signiture with your posts. to me this is very fishy and only engenders questions as to what exactly are your intentions on this board.

i''m with garry. on this one.

 

[BKDJ]

Date: 9/11/2008 9:27:51 AM
Author: HariSeldon
''Date: 9/11/2008 8:18:14 AM

Author: BKDJ

Date: 8/26/2008 8:09:44 PM

Author: Futuremrss

I''m a little confused as to why people would be so nasty and jaded about this purchase. Exactly what are you (and by you, I mean the peanut gallery) afraid of? Is it that you are vendors on this forum and you are afraid that John is not really a legitimate poster and some new vendor posing as ''john'' trying to lure people to buy from him? Say he is just some guy who went to his uncle and got a good deal...why exactly would you try to make him doubt his own flesh and blood? Do you want to make him feel insecure and come buy from you? I just don''t quite get YOUR motives.





D. D. D. D. D. D. DITTO! that''s somewhat how I feel after I''ve been harassed here!

''


(I found this post on another thread but didnt want to threadjack so imposting my reply in your extremely entertaining thread here. )


you feel like you''ve been harassed here because you ask for opinions and ''HELP!?!?'' yet completely disregard what people have to say. if you didn''t want people to give you opposing views from your own, dont ask for opinions.

also in more than one thread you have failed to clarify if you are in the diamond trade or not. if you are, you''re supposed to put it in your signiture with your posts. to me this is very fishy and only engenders questions as to what exactly are your intentions on this board.


i''m with garry. on this one.

In case you haven''t figured it out from my signature... I am a musician.
Technics as in the turntables... the 1200mks. and Pioneer as in the cdj''s and mixers.

I trade/buy/sell diamonds here and there but others on here have concluded that does not make me "in the trade"

I appreciate the feedback, but when some top guys here say my pic reflects a CZ... I lost some level of respect, especially when I made it clear I took the pics with my camera phone. So what would YOU DO? this place is bundles of fun! (at least it could be)

-Anthony

 

[BKDJ]

Date: 9/11/2008 9:27:51 AM
Author: HariSeldon
''
you feel like you''ve been harassed here because you ask for opinions and ''HELP!?!?'' yet completely disregard what people have to say. if you didn''t want people to give you opposing views from your own, dont ask for opinions.

Buddy.... you do know there is a difference between an opinion and a command, right?

 

[Kelli]

BKDJ you should put your tail between your legs and slink away. You asked for opinions and you got ''em. Everyone here but you agrees with the experts, and you have made so little sense here that none of us trust your story anyway.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 9/11/2008 9:36:14 AM
Author: BKDJ

Date: 9/11/2008 9:27:51 AM
Author: HariSeldon

''Date: 9/11/2008 8:18:14 AM

Author: BKDJ

Date: 8/26/2008 8:09:44 PM

Author: Futuremrss

I''m a little confused as to why people would be so nasty and jaded about this purchase. Exactly what are you (and by you, I mean the peanut gallery) afraid of? Is it that you are vendors on this forum and you are afraid that John is not really a legitimate poster and some new vendor posing as ''john'' trying to lure people to buy from him? Say he is just some guy who went to his uncle and got a good deal...why exactly would you try to make him doubt his own flesh and blood? Do you want to make him feel insecure and come buy from you? I just don''t quite get YOUR motives.







D. D. D. D. D. D. DITTO! that''s somewhat how I feel after I''ve been harassed here!


''


(I found this post on another thread but didnt want to threadjack so imposting my reply in your extremely entertaining thread here. )


you feel like you''ve been harassed here because you ask for opinions and ''HELP!?!?'' yet completely disregard what people have to say. if you didn''t want people to give you opposing views from your own, dont ask for opinions.


also in more than one thread you have failed to clarify if you are in the diamond trade or not. if you are, you''re supposed to put it in your signiture with your posts. to me this is very fishy and only engenders questions as to what exactly are your intentions on this board.


i''m with garry. on this one.

In case you haven''t figured it out from my signature... I am a musician.
Technics as in the turntables... the 1200mks. and Pioneer as in the cdj''s and mixers.

I trade/buy/sell diamonds here and there but others on here have concluded that does not make me ''in the trade''

I appreciate the feedback, but when some top guys here say my pic reflects a CZ... I lost some level of respect, especially when I made it clear I took the pics with my camera phone. So what would YOU DO? this place is bundles of fun! (at least it could be)

-Anthony

Now that''s rich. I was done with this thread, but this I can''t resist.



Anthony, you came on here and asked about a "deal" on Ebay. Several of us told you that one rarely gets a deal on Ebay. We pointed you to searching for threads about it, one in particular. You didn''t listen.

You had an absolute, bonafide diamond expert point out reasons you why you shouldn''t persue this (which you seemed thrilled to hear from, said you were waiting for him to respond), plus many prosumers. But you didn''t listen.

You had people show you sure bet stones in your price range, stones that were better for less than what you were considering. Again, you didn''t listen.

You then "travel" to this place to look at the "diamond", equipped with all your knowledge, and a camera phone. (this btw, was hysterical. there is no way on God''s green earth anyone could tell much of anything decisively in depth about a diamond over a camera phone pic, please).

You then post pics of your "diamond", which even I, hardly an expert, thought looked odd. strm looked at it and thinks it''s a cz. And you get mad that some of us question your "diamond"? But wait, wasn''t that what the camera phone was for in the first place, to get opinions on your stone? If you are legit, shouldn''t you be listening to what is being offered? But, you''re not....

And you have lost some respect for us ? Please.

 

[canuk-gal]

Date: 9/11/2008 9:36:14 AM
Author: BKDJ

In case you haven''t figured it out from my signature... I am a musician.

HI:

Great. And as such I expect part of your post was for our entertainment, thank you for your performance!

Well done, glad you got what you wanted!

cheers--Sharon

 

[Upgradable]

Ellen, you rock!!!! Oh, and get out of my head!!

 

[denverappraiser]

Date: 9/11/2008 9:36:14 AM
Author: BKDJ
So what would YOU DO? this place is bundles of fun! (at least it could be)

-Anthony

Well, what I Would do is immediately hire professional assistance from a qualified and equipped expert who doesn’t have a vested interest in the outcome, I would stop asking for and ignoring free Internet advice from strangers and I would avoid relying exclusively on the opinions of a dealer and a lab who you apparently suspect are at least partially misleading you. Given the terms of sale, I would get on it quickly.

The question at hand is what will you do? That''s the culmination of this drama that''s been going on for 3 pages now. It''s your move, it''s your money, and the clock is ticking.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Jewelry Appraisals in Denver

 

[WinkHPD]

Date: 9/9/2008 5:52:34 AM
Author: BKDJ

Date: 9/8/2008 3:40:25 PM
Author:

Date: 9/8/2008 10:43:30 AM

Author: Ellen

Date: 9/8/2008 10:35:14 AM

Author: arjunajane

Date: 9/8/2008 9:54:02 AM

Author: elle_chris

If I were the dealer, I''d walk away laughing at anyone spending almost 20k on my 2.02 F, SI2 graded by EGL.

Regardless if they bought it at a B&M, online or Ebay.

That''s double what the going rate is for that stone.


BKDJ- This is a diamond learning site. I take it you''ve spent enough time here and learned something, so I just don''t get it?

I mean c''mon, you''re obviously NOT getting a deal. In fact, this is such a blatant rip off I''m amazed you''re considering it.

Exactly, there is No common sense rhyme or reason, which basically leaves me personally with *whats fishy here??''..

Uh huh.

Three huh.

mom aint raised no dummy
ill be heading to that seller in a few hours, ill also be shopping around in the area.
one thing thats throwing me off with all the opinions here is that some of you dont seem to be factoring in the fact that its a triple excellent with supposed perfect hearts and arrows............ ill be shopping around and taking pics for all to enjoy! I will consult with all of you after i take some pics and work out a final price

love2all
Anthony

What you are not factoring in is that an EGL Israel F-SI2 with perfect H&A is only worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $11,000 to $12,000.

Also, unless you have had the Rolexes verified by an authorized Rolex dealer trained in spotting the multiple frauds being actively marketed on EBay, the I would not be too comfortable in your fantastic deals on Rolexes. People that I know and trust have told me that more than 3 out of four rolexes sold on EBay aren''t rolexes at all. (These are people who KNOW rolexes, and not all of them were authorized Rolex dealers.)

You want to make us out as not getting it. We do.

Wink

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 9/11/2008 9:36:14 AM
Author: BKDJ
especially when I made it clear I took the pics with my camera phone.

I does not matter what they were taken with optics is optics.
The only interesting to me part of this entire thread is that the LG KU990 phone takes some good pictures.
They are on par with a 3-4 year old pns digital which is much better than most which are the level of webcams.

 

[BKDJ]

some SHOCK VALUE!

This has been VERY entertaining! I am glad that so many people jumped on this thread, so here are the facts:
1. I am in the market for that stone BUT I DID NOT BUY IT, AND IF I DID, I wouldn''t admit it on here!
2. All your help has been helpful but "scrutinizing to the maximum"
3. That was the actual photos I took of the stone, and it is not a CZ, its the real deal.
4. I still have not been able to locate, even with all your assistance... A similar or slightly higher-grade stone with the Hearts and Arrows feature for a comparable price.
5. I was able to negotiate a slightly better price with the condition that they re-certify the stone through either GIA or AGS and should come back with no significant discrepancies. (Which they told me can undoubtably happen, but maybe not on the first examination. They also told me that many many dealers buy EGL and send it to GIA or AGS for certification..... BUT, sometimes they have to send the stone anywhere from once to four times- which then raises the end-price significantly, but its a very common practice.
6. I truly appreciate all of you on here! Even the ones who tried to "stick it to me"

I will now enjoy a weekend trekking across Israel in INSANE HEAT..... its 35 right now and im not even in the desert area.

Thank you all
Anthony

 

[elle_chris]

Date: 9/11/2008 4:54:25 AM
Author: BKDJ


WOW.... you guys are really trying to rip me a new a**hole... WHY?!?!? Sorry if I came off a bit excited about this, and I am sorry that I like to travel and am located in a place that makes traveling VERY EASY AND INEXPENSIVE.... anywho, sorry for bothering everyone and being too excited, I guess if I was a veteran here then this would seem a bit suspect. sorry, had no bad intentions.

-Anthony

P.S. I closed the deal and HELL NO IT AINT A CZ, go find me a similar hearts and arrows at a MUCH BETTER PRICE....... AND ILL BUY IT TOO!

P.P.S. I don''t even get grilled like this when a record skips at a packed club...

now you''re saying "1. I am in the market for that stone BUT I DID NOT BUY IT, AND IF I DID, I wouldn''t admit it on here!"

just make up your mind already and stick to one story.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 9/12/2008 9:38:07 AM
Author: elle_chris

Date: 9/11/2008 4:54:25 AM
Author: BKDJ



WOW.... you guys are really trying to rip me a new a**hole... WHY?!?!? Sorry if I came off a bit excited about this, and I am sorry that I like to travel and am located in a place that makes traveling VERY EASY AND INEXPENSIVE.... anywho, sorry for bothering everyone and being too excited, I guess if I was a veteran here then this would seem a bit suspect. sorry, had no bad intentions.

-Anthony

P.S. I closed the deal and HELL NO IT AINT A CZ, go find me a similar hearts and arrows at a MUCH BETTER PRICE....... AND ILL BUY IT TOO!

P.P.S. I don''t even get grilled like this when a record skips at a packed club...

now you''re saying ''1. I am in the market for that stone BUT I DID NOT BUY IT, AND IF I DID, I wouldn''t admit it on here!''

just make up your mind already and stick to one story.

Seriously, this is beyond a joke

Anthony, if you are not affiliated with the vendor, then you are just an attention seeker and also, as has been demonstrated above, a fibber.
Please go find other people to annoy !

 

[denverappraiser]

Date: 9/12/2008 9:15:42 AM
Author: BKDJ

5. I was able to negotiate a slightly better price with the condition that they re-certify the stone through either GIA or AGS and should come back with no significant discrepancies. (Which they told me can undoubtably happen, but maybe not on the first examination. They also told me that many many dealers buy EGL and send it to GIA or AGS for certification..... BUT, sometimes they have to send the stone anywhere from once to four times- which then raises the end-price significantly, but its a very common practice.

Anthony

Congratulations on your better price and the agreement to have it graded by your chosen lab. The rest of this is not correct.

One of the things that both GIA and AGS are quite good at is recognizing a stone that has been submitted to them before, at least within the last few years. Although it’s true that they occasionally make errors and dealers ask for a recheck, there is no value in asking a 3rd much less a 4th time and a recheck is not the same as resubmitting a stone for a second report.

It’s certainly true that dealers will submit a stone to several different labs, snivel and whine at the labs to get higher grades and choose the document that they think will result in the highest prices but this whole process is a problem, not a feature for consumers. They or their supplier probably already did this, and they chose EGL-Israel. Infer from that decision whatever you want. Using this as a justification for higher prices is nuts.

I agree with Storm, that’s a very cool phone. I also agree that this is the most useful piece of information to come out of this thread although it has been entertaining.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver