Hair salon owner and tip

[zhuzhu]

I was told that we should not tips the stylist if the hair service was provided to you directly from the salon owner. I got a haircut the other day in a salon that is run by only one person- the owner and stylist himself. I got the cut, paid, and left. I did not leave a tip, mostly because he is the owner, and also because the cut alone was close to $90 (fist time to do high-end cut) and I was not even that happy with the service and cut. However, I noticed that in the credit card sip, there is a place for "tip". Now I am a little confused. Does that mean I am SUPPOSED to leave a tip? What do you think?

 

[AprilBaby]

I am also confused. I have a wonderful woman who comes to my house and cuts. She charges a reasonable fee and does myself and my girlfriend at the same time and my daughter also if she is home. She goes home with a pocket full of money. Are we suppose to tip her besides?

 

[zhuzhu]

When I lived in Pgh, the owner of a large salon cuts my hair once because my stylist was called away for a emergency phone call after shampooing me. He just cut it and have the stylist style it afterward. He REFUSED when I tried to tip him, and say you can tip the stylist (who only blow dry my hair) if you like. I thought that was very graceful and classy act and I have gone back to them regularly ever since then.

 

[dinamit]

Having gone out with a hairdresser who was a salon owner, I understand that all tips are greatly appreciated, providing you are happy with the service. I know this is not the etiquette, but ultimately if you are happy - tip.

I have a beautician who comes to my home and I tip her every time. She does a great job and is self employed, charging way below salon prices. It's just my way of saying 'thank you'.

I guess do whatever feels right, instead of thinking what's the right/wrong thing to do.

dinamit

 

[sirbenson]

In my opinion, the rule about tipping is that there shouldn't be any rules Tipping is never mandatory nor required. It should also not be expected or asked for. To me, a tip is something you give someone because you WANT to because they gave you a good or service that you really enjoyed/loved/were thankful for. I never tip just for the purpose of leaving a tip. I tip if a tip is deserved and the amount I tip is usually proportional to how much I enjoyed the good/service. If I got terrible service at a restaurant I leave little or no tip. I wouldn't leave 15-20% just because its expected if it hasn't been earned. What's the point in tipping if you don't mean it? Why reward a service you didn't like?

Since you mentioned that you weren't really super satisfied with the service, you shouldn't have been obligatged to tip (whether or not the stylist was the owner). I think you did the right thing.

 

[Miss Sparkly]

If I'm happy with the service and the cut I leave a tip - period.

 

[violet3]

In my opinion, the rule about tipping is that there shouldn't be any rules Tipping is never mandatory nor required. It should also not be expected or asked for. To me, a tip is something you give someone because you WANT to because they gave you a good or service that you really enjoyed/loved/were thankful for. I never tip just for the purpose of leaving a tip. I tip if a tip is deserved and the amount I tip is usually proportional to how much I enjoyed the good/service. If I got terrible service at a restaurant I leave little or no tip. I wouldn't leave 15-20% just because its expected if it hasn't been earned. What's the point in tipping if you don't mean it? Why reward a service you didn't like?Since you mentioned that you weren't really super satisfied with the service, you shouldn't have been obligatged to tip (whether or not the stylist was the owner). I think you did the right thing.

My hairdresser owns her salon and i tip her every time.

In reference to the above quote, You should leave a tip because tipping is not built into the price of your food. Certainly, it is your RIGHT to with hold a tip if you receive bad service, but a person in the service industry (at least where i live) $2.21/hour, and all of that is taken up in taxes. Tips are the only wage received in many service jobs, so while it shouldn't be asked for and is not mandatory, it IS in my opinion EXPECTED when you eat out at a restaurant, by both exmployees and employers alike. The people on the service end are not making a minimum wage, as are people in customer service in retail. I agree you shouldn't have to tip 20% for bad service, but you SHOULD tip - period.

What will happen if people decide to stop tipping just because they feel like it, is that owners of restaurants will have to build the tip/wage into the price of your bill and you'll pay the tip anyway just in a different way.

 

[FuturePsyD]

I've been going to the same stylist for 15 years and I tip him EVERY time.

He used to own the salon, but now I believe it was bought out by a family member. I don't believe he is the owner any longer.

However, I have tipped him from day 1 because I get great service and I love the results.

 

[Miss Sparkly]

In my opinion, the rule about tipping is that there shouldn't be any rules Tipping is never mandatory nor required. It should also not be expected or asked for. To me, a tip is something you give someone because you WANT to because they gave you a good or service that you really enjoyed/loved/were thankful for. I never tip just for the purpose of leaving a tip. I tip if a tip is deserved and the amount I tip is usually proportional to how much I enjoyed the good/service. If I got terrible service at a restaurant I leave little or no tip. I wouldn't leave 15-20% just because its expected if it hasn't been earned. What's the point in tipping if you don't mean it? Why reward a service you didn't like?Since you mentioned that you weren't really super satisfied with the service, you shouldn't have been obligatged to tip (whether or not the stylist was the owner). I think you did the right thing.

My hairdresser owns her salon and i tip her every time.

In reference to the above quote, You should leave a tip because tipping is not built into the price of your food. Certainly, it is your RIGHT to with hold a tip if you receive bad service, but a person in the service industry (at least where i live) $2.21/hour, and all of that is taken up in taxes. Tips are the only wage received in many service jobs, so while it shouldn't be asked for and is not mandatory, it IS in my opinion EXPECTED when you eat out at a restaurant, by both exmployees and employers alike. The people on the service end are not making a minimum wage, as are people in customer service in retail. I agree you shouldn't have to tip 20% for bad service, but you SHOULD tip - period.

What will happen if people decide to stop tipping just because they feel like it, is that owners of restaurants will have to build the tip/wage into the price of your bill and you'll pay the tip anyway just in a different way.

In my state they already have to do that if the tips don't make up for the difference between pay and min wage. Shouldn't we be going after the law for allowing them to pay them so little instead of going after the customer for not rewarding bad service. As my company says to it's employees, "you have a base pay. Your only right to your bonus is if you provide excellent service. It's not a given"

One thing that I know helps my favorite hairstylst is to book appointments during normally slow times - weekdays during the day. It helps her to bring in extra money as she never has issues filling the prime times.

 

[zhuzhu]

Another tipping question:

I ate a 12 dollar meal, and ordered 2 items to go, totaling $40.

How much do I tip? Assuming the % of 15 and rounded, do I give $2 or $6?

 

[suchende]

I always tip my regular stylists, no matter who owns the joint. I don't want to irritate the people I am trusting with my hair! If i had a bad experience, though, I would not tip because I am not going back and it sends a message.

I have heard before that women have a reputation for not tipping well at restaurants, and read once (in John Malloy's The New Women's Dress for Success) that businesswomen would do well to gain a reputation for being a generous tipper and regular at a nice lunch place that they can take clients. My BF and I have an absurd number of meals at a neighborhood restaurant and tip 25%+, every time. They treat us very well, so I think it pays off. If you want to be treated well, tips aren't the place to save money, IMO.

 

[Siamese Kitty]

In my opinion, the rule about tipping is that there shouldn't be any rules Tipping is never mandatory nor required. It should also not be expected or asked for. To me, a tip is something you give someone because you WANT to because they gave you a good or service that you really enjoyed/loved/were thankful for. I never tip just for the purpose of leaving a tip. I tip if a tip is deserved and the amount I tip is usually proportional to how much I enjoyed the good/service. If I got terrible service at a restaurant I leave little or no tip. I wouldn't leave 15-20% just because its expected if it hasn't been earned. What's the point in tipping if you don't mean it? Why reward a service you didn't like?Since you mentioned that you weren't really super satisfied with the service, you shouldn't have been obligatged to tip (whether or not the stylist was the owner). I think you did the right thing.

My hairdresser owns her salon and i tip her every time.

In reference to the above quote, You should leave a tip because tipping is not built into the price of your food. Certainly, it is your RIGHT to with hold a tip if you receive bad service, but a person in the service industry (at least where i live) $2.21/hour, and all of that is taken up in taxes. Tips are the only wage received in many service jobs, so while it shouldn't be asked for and is not mandatory, it IS in my opinion EXPECTED when you eat out at a restaurant, by both exmployees and employers alike. The people on the service end are not making a minimum wage, as are people in customer service in retail. I agree you shouldn't have to tip 20% for bad service, but you SHOULD tip - period.

What will happen if people decide to stop tipping just because they feel like it, is that owners of restaurants will have to build the tip/wage into the price of your bill and you'll pay the tip anyway just in a different way.

Not to turn this into a restaurant thread, but thought I'd mention that I never once received a paycheck in the decade of waitressing I did. If you report your tips as you should, you always get a paycheck for $0.00. If the bad server who your are stiffing happens to work at a restaurant with a bartender, hostess, or busboy, you are really sticking it to them. Not only will they receive no tip from you, they will also tip out ~3% of what your check total was to tip share. Yes, that means they have paid to wait on you. As a server you even tip the bartender a percentage of your sales if you didn't sell any liquor because they figure it all evens out. I loathe bad service as much as the next person (especially after working in the service industry!), but I think it would be kind to leave at least a few dollars to cover their tip share.

As for the salon, I usually tip %20. If it's eyebrow waxing for $7, I'll give the guy $10. The owner thing has always confused me, but my tips have never been refused. I've only tipped once for truly bad hair, but since I ultimately had to go back to have the color corrected, I was glad I didn't stiff the stylist.

 

[zoebartlett]

I've also heard that you don't need to tip the owner of a salon if he/she provides a service to you, but I do anyway. I'd feel rude if I didn't.

 

[zoebartlett]

Another tipping question:

I ate a 12 dollar meal, and ordered 2 items to go, totaling $40.

How much do I tip? Assuming the % of 15 and rounded, do I give $2 or $6?

I've done this as well, and I've always tipped on the total amount. So if I had spent $40 for all 3 items, I'd tip the higher amount you listed ($6).

 

[soocool]

My friend cuts my hair at her house and works at a salon (not owned by her). I have never tipped her, but others who get their hair cut, etc. by her at her house do. She also charges the same amount whether it was done in the salon or not. She will not accept a tip from me because we do each other favors all the time. I don't expect to get a free haircut from her, but she will do a blowout for me for special occasions at no charge and I look after her house when she is away.

When she works at the salon she gets 50% of the cost of the service, whether it is a cut, color, or this new thing called the "Brazilian Blowout" which costs at least $350.00. She is responsible for purchasing her own blowdryers, combs, brushes, razors, and scissors,plus she pays to get the scissors/razors sharpened (not cheap).

 

[diamondringlover]

I go to a woman who is a friend and she is the owner, stylist, everything she has now employees, just her and I always tip her....now I do get a discount on my hair, so between what she charges me and the tip its probably around her normal fee

 

[princesss]

My stylist owns his own salon, but I still tip him. I've been going to him for almost 3 years, starting from when he was a stylist at a different salon and through him leaving his old salon and opening his own. Knowing how hard it is to open a new business, and how it takes a few years for them to be profitable, I decided to keep tipping the way I did before (a little over 20%). If he was an established business owner and owned a large salon, I probably wouldn't.

I actually asked him my first time getting a cut in his new salon whether I was still supposed to tip. He said that he didn't know, and that some people were and some people weren't, so to do what I felt comfortable with. So I did.

 

[luv2sparkle]

My stylist owns her own salon and I usually tip her. Although, I have to say it really irritates me. I have no problem tipping
waiter very generously. I know that that is how they make their living. When I go to my stylist though, and I spend 150.00 and spend
less than 2 hours in her chair, I think, geez, I would like to make 75 dollars an hour. Tipping seems totally redundant. She sets
the price and I willingly pay it. To tip her on top of that seems like overkill.

My daughter is a stylist. She gets a percentage at her salon which is really unusual. She doesn't make a whole lot of money,
especially in this economy, and she really appreciates the tips. She works in a very high dollar area and charges a lot more
than my stylist. I really could have her do my hair, but my stylist is a friend and I have been going to her for over 10 years. She doesn't
demand or even notice whether or not I tip her but I wish it was all a little bit more defined.

I wish it was all just included in the price of your service. It sure would make it a lot simpler.

 

[Natylad]

I believe that the tip is supposed to be given to employees who are only getting a salary (and usually a rather low one) for their work, as a reward for the quality of the provided services and not to business owners who receive all the profits from that business What's the point in tipping the person who makes all that money and decides what to charge for any service that you receive in their salon, store, whatever? I don't get it at all...

 

[soocool]

I found something online that discusses salon tipping. Regarding tipping the owner this is what the article says:


Do You Tip The Owner?
What customers do: The commonly held belief is that you shouldn't tip the salon owner if she or he does your hair. But more and more customers do.

What salon staff wants you to do: That rule really doesn't apply anymore. Go ahead, tip the owner.

To read the entire article her is the link: http://www.ivillage.com/how-much-tip-salon/5-a-146727

 

[labellavita81]

In my opinion, the rule about tipping is that there shouldn't be any rules Tipping is never mandatory nor required. It should also not be expected or asked for. To me, a tip is something you give someone because you WANT to because they gave you a good or service that you really enjoyed/loved/were thankful for. I never tip just for the purpose of leaving a tip. I tip if a tip is deserved and the amount I tip is usually proportional to how much I enjoyed the good/service. If I got terrible service at a restaurant I leave little or no tip. I wouldn't leave 15-20% just because its expected if it hasn't been earned. What's the point in tipping if you don't mean it? Why reward a service you didn't like?Since you mentioned that you weren't really super satisfied with the service, you shouldn't have been obligatged to tip (whether or not the stylist was the owner). I think you did the right thing.

My hairdresser owns her salon and i tip her every time.

In reference to the above quote, You should leave a tip because tipping is not built into the price of your food. Certainly, it is your RIGHT to with hold a tip if you receive bad service, but a person in the service industry (at least where i live) $2.21/hour, and all of that is taken up in taxes. Tips are the only wage received in many service jobs, so while it shouldn't be asked for and is not mandatory, it IS in my opinion EXPECTED when you eat out at a restaurant, by both exmployees and employers alike. The people on the service end are not making a minimum wage, as are people in customer service in retail. I agree you shouldn't have to tip 20% for bad service, but you SHOULD tip - period.

What will happen if people decide to stop tipping just because they feel like it, is that owners of restaurants will have to build the tip/wage into the price of your bill and you'll pay the tip anyway just in a different way.

If someone works in the service industry and gets paid 2.00 per hour they should be making damn sure they are giving good service to everyone they serve to make sure they get a tip. People choose the jobs they have (in most cases) and if you choose a job in the service industry and know that most of your pay will be in tips, wouldn't you go out of your way to make sure you do everything you can to get good tips? (sorry if my response in jumbled I am writing in a hurry)

 

[labellavita81]

In my opinion, the rule about tipping is that there shouldn't be any rules Tipping is never mandatory nor required. It should also not be expected or asked for. To me, a tip is something you give someone because you WANT to because they gave you a good or service that you really enjoyed/loved/were thankful for. I never tip just for the purpose of leaving a tip. I tip if a tip is deserved and the amount I tip is usually proportional to how much I enjoyed the good/service. If I got terrible service at a restaurant I leave little or no tip. I wouldn't leave 15-20% just because its expected if it hasn't been earned. What's the point in tipping if you don't mean it? Why reward a service you didn't like?Since you mentioned that you weren't really super satisfied with the service, you shouldn't have been obligatged to tip (whether or not the stylist was the owner). I think you did the right thing.

My hairdresser owns her salon and i tip her every time.

In reference to the above quote, You should leave a tip because tipping is not built into the price of your food. Certainly, it is your RIGHT to with hold a tip if you receive bad service, but a person in the service industry (at least where i live) $2.21/hour, and all of that is taken up in taxes. Tips are the only wage received in many service jobs, so while it shouldn't be asked for and is not mandatory, it IS in my opinion EXPECTED when you eat out at a restaurant, by both exmployees and employers alike. The people on the service end are not making a minimum wage, as are people in customer service in retail. I agree you shouldn't have to tip 20% for bad service, but you SHOULD tip - period.

What will happen if people decide to stop tipping just because they feel like it, is that owners of restaurants will have to build the tip/wage into the price of your bill and you'll pay the tip anyway just in a different way.

If someone works in the service industry and gets paid 2.00 per hour they should be making damn sure they are giving good service to everyone they serve to make sure they get a tip. People choose the jobs they have (in most cases) and if you choose a job in the service industry and know that most of your pay will be in tips, wouldn't you go out of your way to make sure you do everything you can to get good tips? (sorry if my response in jumbled I am writing in a hurry)

 

[CJ2008]

My stylist owns her own salon and I usually tip her. Although, I have to say it really irritates me. I have no problem tipping
waiter very generously. I know that that is how they make their living. When I go to my stylist though, and I spend 150.00 and spend
less than 2 hours in her chair, I think, geez, I would like to make 75 dollars an hour. Tipping seems totally redundant. She sets
the price and I willingly pay it. To tip her on top of that seems like overkill.

My daughter is a stylist. She gets a percentage at her salon which is really unusual. She doesn't make a whole lot of money,
especially in this economy, and she really appreciates the tips. She works in a very high dollar area and charges a lot more
than my stylist. I really could have her do my hair, but my stylist is a friend and I have been going to her for over 10 years. She doesn't
demand or even notice whether or not I tip her but I wish it was all a little bit more defined.

I wish it was all just included in the price of your service. It sure would make it a lot simpler.

I'm with you.

I consider myself a very good tipper - average 20%, more if you go out of your way or are just extra pleasant to deal with.

But it irritates me when a business owner accepts a tip - it seems tacky to me. They are pocketing 100% of what they charge - unlike an employed stylist.

And don't get me started on having different people dry your hair, either...which means you now have to tip the stylist AND them.

 

[tigian]

Another tipping question:

I ate a 12 dollar meal, and ordered 2 items to go, totaling $40.

How much do I tip? Assuming the % of 15 and rounded, do I give $2 or $6?

I always tip the total. I figure that it takes time and work to pack it to go.
As for the hair dresser/owner, I always tip either way.

 

[zhuzhu]

No related to tipping now.
I was looking up what Brazilian blowout is, and found that it may not be as safe as it is claimed to be. Just want to share it with you all!
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/10/image/la-ig-1010-beauty-brazil-20101010

 

[luv2sparkle]

The thing is, the people who are doing your hair are not making 2.00 per hour or even 10 dollars per hour. Try 75. dollars per hour.
Even if you take out the 10 dollars of product she uses on my hair. A bottle of hair dye from Redken is about 5.70 per bottle
and you can get at least three full colorings out of it. So $10, really is about what it costs her. How many people do you know
who make $70 per hour. Do you think they need a tip?

 

[zhuzhu]

The thing is, the people who are doing your hair are not making 2.00 per hour or even 10 dollars per hour. Try 75. dollars per hour.
Even if you take out the 10 dollars of product she uses on my hair. A bottle of hair dye from Redken is about 5.70 per bottle
and you can get at least three full colorings out of it. So $10, really is about what it costs her. How many people do you know
who make $70 per hour. Do you think they need a tip?

In fact I have the same thought.

The $90 haircut was a first for me. I typically get haircut that is priced at less than $20, and I always gave a hefty tip for those stylists. This salon owner who charged more than 4X the price did not even meet the standard of my usual $20 cut service (he did not even offer to brush the tiny hair off my face after the cut). Therefore I would be very uncomfortable tipping him even if he wasn't the owner.

 

[texaskj]

I used to have the owner of a salon do my hair and she told me not to tip her. The only time I did was when she had to do some extra work to get my color back to my natural state. My mom refuses to tip her stylist; she cuts and colors my mom's hair in less than a hour and charges almost $100. And she only works three days a week and has three kids, we haven't figured out how she pays the bills.

 

[violet3]

In my opinion, the rule about tipping is that there shouldn't be any rules Tipping is never mandatory nor required. It should also not be expected or asked for. To me, a tip is something you give someone because you WANT to because they gave you a good or service that you really enjoyed/loved/were thankful for. I never tip just for the purpose of leaving a tip. I tip if a tip is deserved and the amount I tip is usually proportional to how much I enjoyed the good/service. If I got terrible service at a restaurant I leave little or no tip. I wouldn't leave 15-20% just because its expected if it hasn't been earned. What's the point in tipping if you don't mean it? Why reward a service you didn't like?Since you mentioned that you weren't really super satisfied with the service, you shouldn't have been obligatged to tip (whether or not the stylist was the owner). I think you did the right thing.

My hairdresser owns her salon and i tip her every time.

In reference to the above quote, You should leave a tip because tipping is not built into the price of your food. Certainly, it is your RIGHT to with hold a tip if you receive bad service, but a person in the service industry (at least where i live) $2.21/hour, and all of that is taken up in taxes. Tips are the only wage received in many service jobs, so while it shouldn't be asked for and is not mandatory, it IS in my opinion EXPECTED when you eat out at a restaurant, by both exmployees and employers alike. The people on the service end are not making a minimum wage, as are people in customer service in retail. I agree you shouldn't have to tip 20% for bad service, but you SHOULD tip - period.

What will happen if people decide to stop tipping just because they feel like it, is that owners of restaurants will have to build the tip/wage into the price of your bill and you'll pay the tip anyway just in a different way.

If someone works in the service industry and gets paid 2.00 per hour they should be making damn sure they are giving good service to everyone they serve to make sure they get a tip. People choose the jobs they have (in most cases) and if you choose a job in the service industry and know that most of your pay will be in tips, wouldn't you go out of your way to make sure you do everything you can to get good tips? (sorry if my response in jumbled I am writing in a hurry)

Of course I would and do go out of my way to give good service for a good tip. I also agree that better service deserves a better tip. However, I disagree that people choose the jobs they have (for the most part). In my opinion, most people I've ever worked with are working a service industry job to get to a better place -- often they are working it as a second, or even a third job to make ends meet -- in this economy it's the only job many people CAN get. Or perhaps they are putting themselves through school, or putting their kids through school.

I understand that not everyone gives the best srvice, but NOT tipping at all is NOT an option, in my opinion. This is also off topic from the OP's original question, so i apologize for that.

 

[labellavita81]

Everyone has their own opinions on tipping - to each their own.

In regards to the actual topic at hand, if the owner of the salon does your hair you are not "required" to tip. Tip if you want to not because you feel like you have to.