good deal on Round Brilliant Stone?

[gmoney29]

Hey folks. I finally tracked down the spec for a diamond I am seriously considering.

AGS cert
1.64
F SI1
depth: 60.7%
Table: 56%
Crown angle: 34.9%
Pavillion angle: 40.7%
Culet: pointed

The one main inclusion is basically an included crystal just under the table right of center, but otherwise the stone appears "eye clean." The jeweler''s price comes in at about $13,000. Is this a good deal or am I missing something? Thanks for all those who help a man in need.

 

[quaeritur]

I ran a search here on PS, and the price looks good. The numbers look lovely too. I'm assuming you're happy with polish, symmetry, etc. Have you seen the stone yourself? How does it look to you?

 

[Rumblin]

Never mind. I posted on the wrong thread. So sorry about that.

 

[gmoney29]

Thanks for the reply. I have seen the stone and I do like it. It has "ideal" for polish and symmetry on the AGS cert, so thats good. I guess my biggest concern is the inclusion...I mean its really only the one, but why an SI1? Also, the cert mentions "surface grading lines not shown." I understand this isn't that big a deal, but I'm not sure.

 

[oldminer]

You seem to have perfected your search. It ought to be a great diamond. I am concerned a little with how you worded the "eye visible" nature of the clarity.

Is the diamond "eye-clean" Except for the crystal under the table? This sounds a little like a fast dealer talking. If you can see that crystal with your eyes, then the entire diamond is not eye clean.

If you mean that all there is is a small crystal and nothing visible to the naked eye, then that's just fine. I just want to make you aware of either how you worded it, or how someone may be attempting to fudge on you a bit.

 

[quaeritur]

When you looked at it, were you able to make out the inclusion without looking through a loupe? If so, did it bother you? It's sometimes a tough call with SI1s... if it is truly eye clean, it sounds like a great stone. If it's not eye clean, then only you can determine if you like it...

 

[gmoney29]

When I viewed the stone, I could not make out the inclusion. I will be viewing the stone again, so I will make sure that it is truely "eye clean" as to the entire stone. Thanks guys.

 

[brandonb]

Seems good, but have you thought about stepping down to G, H, or I in color and up to VS2. You could do that and probably save some money too.

Just an idea.

-Brandon

 

[Giangi]

Pricing is fair & graining should be no big deal, unless it's very distinct. But at that point it would be impairing the clarity. However, I am not too sure whether the crystal is visible to the naked eye. Can you see it, knowing where to look? This would play a major role if I was in your shoes... Personally, I don't mind a little inclusion, but I know it does drive a lot of folks nuts. So, if you can see it, think twice about that and maybe consider a G-H stone in the VS range.


All in all, the stone you've selected has killer numbers and looks like a winner, ONLY if either you can't see or don't mind the little spot.

 

[Lynn B]

That stone sounds beautiful, and I'll bet it's totally eye-clean! Some people have said that AGS has the strictest grading around... and my own experience seems to confirm this. My AGS-certed stone is VS2 and my jeweler said it looks like a VS1 or even a VVS to him. I know I have looked at it myself (many times!) under 10x, 30x and even a microscope, and have YET to see any inclusions!!!

Lynn

 

[diamonddoll]

Sounds goregous! However, I agree you should consider G-H and then you can save some more money. Pick a really well cut stone and it will look really white even at H and I color.

 

[quaeritur]

Well, I know you can save money by dropping on color, but being a color snob myself, I say if you like the F, then get the F!!! Nothing wrong with that, and it sounds great in every other way too

 

[Lynn B]

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On 7/11/2004 1:02:45 PM quaeritur wrote:

Well, ...I say if you like the F, then get the F!!! Nothing wrong with that, and it sounds great in every other way too

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Good reminder, quaertutur!

Lynn

 

[gmoney29]

Thanks everyone! I saw the stone again, and it was near impossible to see any inclusion. At times, I thought I saw something and then I would lose it and not find it again. This made me feel confident about the visible clarity of the stone. I have decided to look into a G-VS2 just to see what the price difference is, but I guess I kinda like the fact that this stone is an F color. At the end of the day, whether g-f or SI1 or VS2, the stones will probably near identical assuming a get a good cut.