Golden zone of grade for most dealers in 1 CT E rings?

[drruby]

I think we can all agree, most dealers don't target IF and FL as E Ring grades.

So what is the golden zone as a dealer (if you are one) that you consider the most desired combination of what you want to always have to sell to the public in E rings.

1 Ct
Your Color choice
Your Clarity choice
Your Cut choice

2 Ct
Your Color choice
Your Clarity choice
Your Cut choice

I'm looking at bankrolling a minor carbon player to try to find stones to cert at a level DEALERS WANT

This way he can focus on acquiring the most desirable resalable 4C's for dealers as a whole.

Granted most dealers have their 'niche' due to clients and locations, but I would love to see dealers basically give most wanted lists so I can then decide a range of carbon to target.

If you aren't a dealer feel free to put your WANTS here to, maybe a dealer here can then get you what you are having a hard time finding.

Thanks

 

[iLander]

Why are you asking this when you just posted this in Colored Stones, in reference to diamonds?


I see a lot of CON worship here, the public CONNED by a few elite groups to put value in valueless things.

a. carbon is COMMON
b. GIA creates a false CONcept of rarity to carbon
c. GIA was caught in a major CON GAME by FBI over pay for better grades in 2005
d. AGL was part of a CON game run by collectors universe
e. De Beers cartel is a CON game as well IMO

So someone in the 'trade' may not like me saying how I view the 'trade’.

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I'm confused as to what you are actually hoping to achieve?

 

[Lady_Disdain]

If you aren't a dealer feel free to put your WANTS here to, maybe a dealer here can then get you what you are having a hard time finding.

Have you even read the other threads in this forum?

 

[drruby]

I guess you didn't read

I'm looking at bankrolling a minor carbon player to try to find stones to cert at a level DEALERS WANT

This way he can focus on acquiring the most desirable resalable 4C's for dealers as a whole.


So while I have had no interest in common carbon as a collector, I may be putting a nice sum of change into buying lots of it and that project needs to hit the golden zone of what DEALERS prefer.

The project involves buying up lots of uncerted carbon and certing it with GIA.

So if the project KNOWS what dealers REALLY want as their go to size and color and clarity and cut

The project tries to find no cert stones that should cert close to that level.

Why put a ton of dough into D VVS1 X when dealers want G VS2 VG

Just because I have strong OPinions on stuff doesn't mean I'm not interested in carbon to create a new project that supplies a lot of dealers with what THEY WANT in carbon.

I know they want GIA

I now need to know what is the most sought after color and clarity and cut by dealers for E rings

 

[Lady_Disdain]

I read, indeed. I am addressing specifically your kind invitation that others can use this thread so dealers can find them stones.

First, dealers can't offer stones for sale on this forum, per the rules.
Second, this forum is filled with threads where a consumer is doing just this - asking for help finding their stone. There is no need for them to use your thread and, in fact, it would be considerably less efficient than simply creating their own.

As for my advice to your "friend", do some good research and find the serious market reports on the subject. Understand the market structure and what his competitive advantage is (after all, what is stopping the dealers getting those very same stones on memo instead of adding another link to the supply chain?). Asking a consumer forum (and one with a specific profile and views) is not a good way to get this information. Of course, as a big shot investor in various things, I am sure you already know this.

 

[drruby]

I read, indeed. I am addressing specifically your kind invitation that others can use this thread so dealers can find them stones.

First, dealers can't offer stones for sale on this forum, per the rules.
Second, this forum is filled with threads where a consumer is doing just this - asking for help finding their stone. There is no need for them to use your thread and, in fact, it would be considerably less efficient than simply creating their own.

As for my advice to your "friend", do some good research and find the serious market reports on the subject. Understand the market structure and what his competitive advantage is (after all, what is stopping the dealers getting those very same stones on memo instead of adding another link to the supply chain?). Asking a consumer forum (and one with a specific profile and views) is not a good way to get this information. Of course, as a big shot investor in various things, I am sure you already know this.

Dealers don't offer stones on the forum?

Are you kidding, the whole forum is setup to SELL STONES at what I think are very good prices via the forums stone search at the top over EVERY PAGE.

So the thread was started for ME to get info from any dealers and yes I said if you are a consumer, post your wants.

Sure anyone can say here I WANT this, not sure that's a valid thread, but I'm trying to get a consensus on what dealers want.

I already have seen a pretty large local dealer 'want list' for the guy I'm thinking of backing in carbon deals, but before I do I thought this forum that obviously has dealers might fast track the info.

I'm sure I can find some articles with a vested interest where they say what their vested interest THINKS is the preferred size/color/clarity/cut

But having the actual dealers say what their wants lists are as dealers is what I want.

I think the thread is within bounds of the forum.

If not then a mod can easily delete it.

 

[chrono]

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[Lady_Disdain]

Dealers don't offer stones on the forum?

Are you kidding, the whole forum is setup to SELL STONES at what I think are very good prices via the forums stone search at the top over EVERY PAGE.

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[drruby]

I am not 'in the trade' yet for years I have collected elite CG.

Now I am considering financing someone in the trade, he has no store and he is a 'hustler' a smart younger guy that is churning a minor budget in low end certs.

Now if you are a mod and I violated TOS then delete the thread, but I AM NOT IN THE TRADE.

I have opinions on certs like every one does.

I do not own or run a lab and in CG someone tried to say by having a lot of lab equipment I am a 'lab', well I'm not.

But IMO this is a great resource for asking questions about niche things such as carbon/diamonds or CG and having some give OPinions.

I think this site did a great job with how they lead lots of people to GREAT DEALS on GIA carbon/diamonds with their 'search'.

So I see the strategy of the forum and content drives traffic and IMO my content will drive a lot of traffic here if the forums SEO is done right to make my posts pop SE's.

Oh, SEs search engines or traffic machines.

That's the whole point of forums, driving traffic from users.

SO I AM NOT A DEALER

I AM NOT IN THE TRADE

Now if potential INVESTORS in a niche of the trade are not welcome, then a real mod can delete the thread.

 

[Lady_Disdain]

Where did any of state that you were in the trade? You said:

Dealers don't offer stones on the forum?

Are you kidding, the whole forum is setup to SELL STONES at what I think are very good prices via the forums stone search at the top over EVERY PAGE.

Chrono and I pointed you to the Forum Policies that answered your question.

 

[craiguk]

If you're looking at bank rolling a 'carbon player' surely they should know the ins and outs of the trade before you put your trust, and money, into them?

Don't understand why you would be asking here when there's a wealth of information available all over the Internet. There are journals, articles, research papers, blogs, all sorts.

 

[drruby]

If you're looking at bank rolling a 'carbon player' surely they should know the ins and outs of the trade before you put your trust, and money, into them?

Don't understand why you would be asking here when there's a wealth of information available all over the Internet. There are journals, articles, research papers, blogs, all sorts.

He's a minor league carbon player, he deals in lower grade certs, so I'm thinking of investing in him to do same thing with higher grades.

As far as I know this is the #1 place to discuss gems

Carbon
Aluminum with Chromium
Aluminum with Titanium
Beryl

You can discuss any type of gem here

So now why are you so opposed to me asking dealers what they have on the TOP of their WANT lists?

Seems like the best place to ask it 'online' and I've been asking it now at exchanges I have access to.

 

[drruby]

Where did any of state that you were in the trade? You said:

Dealers don't offer stones on the forum?

Are you kidding, the whole forum is setup to SELL STONES at what I think are very good prices via the forums stone search at the top over EVERY PAGE.

Chrono and I pointed you to the Forum Policies that answered your question.

Why don't you have your stores name as your handle beatrice?

I got a buddy that has the #1 Growth Hacking company in the world, he makes one tweet you are #1 in the world on twitter for jewelry.

I looked at your site, nice use of Greek Mythos on the types of stuff you do.

Not many appreciate ancient mythos today though.

The way I took Chrono's post was due to his posts all over CG, he doesn't like what I say on a topic I know very well RUBIES.

The mod can check your IP for Lady Disdain and Chrono, is it the SAME IP?

Let's see Chrono(s) the GOD OF TIME the father of Zeus.

Your whole line uses Greek gods/goddesses as your 'lines'.

Let's see 1 whole tweet about your jewelry in SOCIAL MEDIA, if I was you I would be spending more time learning about SM and SMO and SMM than posting your OPinions about what, you don't like my posts?

So are you the same IP as Chrono?

Let's see if the mods check your IPS to see it's the same person, or am I wrong?

Not too many people into Greek Mythos today so what are the ODDS of you having Greek Gods in your jewelry lines and Chrono slamming me in CG here?

haha

If I were a betting man I would wager you share the same IP address.

Do you?

 

[chrono]

I am certainly not Lady D, although I do like her very unique handwork. The name Chrono that I picked, although means time, is actually from a very old Playstation game because I am a gamer. You are quick to claim conspiracy, when it is actually coincidence that Lady D and I happened to post the same thing at the same time. If you were a betting man, you would lose the lottery.

 

[Lady_Disdain]

Why don't you have your stores name as your handle beatrice?

I got a buddy that has the #1 Growth Hacking company in the world, he makes one tweet you are #1 in the world on twitter for jewelry.

I looked at your site, nice use of Greek Mythos on the types of stuff you do.

Not many appreciate ancient mythos today though.

The way I took Chrono's post was due to his posts all over CG, he doesn't like what I say on a topic I know very well RUBIES.

The mod can check your IP for Lady Disdain and Chrono, is it the SAME IP?

Let's see Chrono(s) the GOD OF TIME the father of Zeus.

Your whole line uses Greek gods/goddesses as your 'lines'.

Let's see 1 whole tweet about your jewelry in SOCIAL MEDIA, if I was you I would be spending more time learning about SM and SMO and SMM than posting your OPinions about what, you don't like my posts?

So are you the same IP as Chrono?

Let's see if the mods check your IPS to see it's the same person, or am I wrong?

Not too many people into Greek Mythos today so what are the ODDS of you having Greek Gods in your jewelry lines and Chrono slamming me in CG here?

haha

If I were a betting man I would wager you share the same IP address.

Do you?

Thank you but I greatly dislike "growth hacking" and other manipulative business tactics and do not use them in my business. I have no intention of being the number one twittered jewelry brand. I fabricate every piece and would have no way of keeping up with demand.

I was a member of PS long before I joined the trade and kept the username I always used. My relationship with PS is as a long time poster and I have found many friends here. My target market niche doesn't overlap much with Pricescope's but I do comply with the rules and use a Trade badge.

As for the use of my time, I am quite happy with it. Should you be applying the same logic and be running up billable hours as a lawyer? I am sure that the time you've spent with us would be worth quite a lot of money.

Mythology is a fascinating subject that has not fallen out of fashion since the Renaissance. From the Dresden Files, Percy and the Olympians, Murakami's references, Woody Allen as well as symbolism all over the place, Greek and Roman mythology is still very present in contemporary culture. And we are seeing mythology from many other cultures permeating as well: Old Man Coyote, Japanese ghosts and supernatural beings, African deities, etc. It really shouldn't surprise you that two users out of a multitude in quite a well read and cultured forum should choose the Greek influence.

At the very least, please don't call me such a complete idiot.

 

[drruby]

The sheeple have no interest in ancient mythos yet the elite that control stuff like carbon sure do put their ancient symbols all over everything.

So CONSPIRACY guys do know all about ancient symbolism.

haha

 

[AdaBeta27]

The average e-ring diamond is probably going to be round brilliant, someplace in the .7 or .75 to .8ct range. Eye clean, because most buyers have a strong preference for eye clean, from the side as well as the top. Color, "white", probably not lower than G or H nor higher than F. Around $3000-$4000 for the center diamond.

I'm just doing a Dancing Fire there, and making up shift. The Freemasons and Illuminati made me do it.

 

[Ella]

If you want this thread to remain I suggest you all stop name calling. We do NOT allow that on the forum no matter your side of an issue.

We also do not allow dealers to promote items as the longtime users have pointed out.

If you don't like a post, ignore it or report it and posts that are breaking rules will be dealt with.

 

[MollyMalone]

I'm puzzled as to why you are soliciting happenstance wish lists from random handfuls of people -- in order to decide what dealers want -- in lieu of undertaking, as Lady Disdain previously suggested, good research, including analysis of the wealth of data that is available, etc.? Actions (i.e., how money is being spent) speak louder than words.

 

[Dancing Fire]

The average e-ring diamond is probably going to be round brilliant, someplace in the .7 or .75 to .8ct range. Eye clean, because most buyers have a strong preference for eye clean, from the side as well as the top. Color, "white", probably not lower than G or H nor higher than F. Around $3000-$4000 for the center diamond.

I'm just doing a Dancing Fire there, and making up shift. The Freemasons and Illuminati made me do it.

My statistics are based on facts...

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I think Dancing Fire and I would say G-H-I color and VS2-SI1 clarity.

 

[solgen]

I swear this guy might be one of the better trolls I've come across.

 

[Dancing Fire]

I think Dancing Fire and I would say G-H-I color and VS2-SI1 clarity.

Yup, They are the most requested combo on PS. I am in the G/H VS2/ SI1 eye clean camp.

 

[Dancing Fire]

I swear this guy might be one of the better trolls I've come across.

That's OK once awhile we need some excitements on PS...

 

[drruby]

I think Dancing Fire and I would say G-H-I color and VS2-SI1 clarity.

I think from talking to a few vendors about what they NEED and sell a lot of it is

H VS1/2 1.5 to 3 cts for upgraders mostly

it seems most first time E Ring buyers are just credit buyers and use chains, so the young couples looking in exchanges usually don't have credit to just buy what the chains tell them is good, maybe a few had a clue and realize they can buy what the chains sell way cheaper in exchanges

so mass exchanges with a ton of carbon are usually trying to hit upgraders, couples with high earnings and dough to put into bigger stones now that they're not kids with credit cards, most of the guys I spoke to in exchanges were later 30's to 60 or so, so they have clients and they make money on upgrades and the upgrade E ring stone is usually 1.5ct to 3.0 ct H range and VS1

Face it a kid goes to school and they exit with diploma and 100K or so in debt, he's a credit risk so first job is 30K to maybe 40 or 50K

after taxes that's nothing

they have a car payment, insurance and maybe split a home with other young kids starting careers or they have a tiny pad

almost none own a home yet, they need that spouse to qualify with enough income to buy a home

so they have 5K or 10K in easy to get credit lines with chains

they fall in love and sink their credit line into a ring that's not even worth half of what they buy it for

now they have 110K in debt

they find a chick with same low level education in a bs subject and now you have two low wage earners with combined 60K to 90K of buying power

so they marry, buy an over priced low end first time buyer home and then load up on more debt furnishing it

Then within 7 years of endless debt payments they realize, they're almost 30 and hate each other and now they use a divorce lawyer to take half of nothing but debt

LOL

sorry to be so cynical, but it's what I see, universities churning out kids with no real future who are then led to believe a common piece of carbon from a box chain is their dream with a house that is still over priced if you realize how cheap all the stuff made the past 30 years has been

The USA grande isn't it

Disposable kids
With disposable incomes
With disposable jobs
And disposable careers
Living in disposable homes
Buying common carbon that may as well be disposable too

Enough of pontification upon how hopeless reality is for 99% of the population that has no clue about anything

Anyway, now that I see who is posting in this thread that you don't have any jeweler store owners actively using this forum

One person posting here has a trade badge that I've seen and their trade is not fine jeweler, it's hand made low end semi-precious stuff, mostly silver trinkets

Exchanges probably need .5 to 1.0 ct I/J and SI stuff for first time E ring buyers since anyone with a degree/job/credit is at the box stores and the project isn't aimed at box stores

The want lists are the bigger stores all exchanges WANT since I was told over and over they are looking for

1.5 to 3.0 carats

H range

VS1 range

That's a mature buyer, business owner or a professional with 10+ years in their career

They bought junk as kids and want to UPGRADE now that they paid off their mountain of debt and have some extra dough